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Sandin for a 1st
Ekholm for a 1st + late 1st prospect
Orlov for a 1st + 2nd (roughly)
Chiarot for 1st + 4th
Risto for 1st + 2nd + 2nd rd prospect

I feel like Dumba is within those category of players. If anything they could’ve even retained some this year with how much cap they held onto to start the year. Feels like Guerin’s ask has just been too high. Going to be very curious to see what kind of contract he gets this offseason.

Risto is the only one that I see as comparable player. Ekholm is the only contract price/term comparable. I'd rather have him than Dumba to stabilize a d-corps (like EDM needs). Not a fan of Ekholm's current contract though.

Risto, Orlov, and Chiarot were rentals.
 

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I like mid round picks for Nyquist+Johansson better than 2nd for Fleury, Sturm for Jost, 3rd for Deslaurier, etc.
I agree. Nyquist seems like A+ opportunism that fits our situation well: lots of deadline cap space and pretty good upside if he gets healthy. And it's a relatively low-stakes season, so even if things take a very bad turn it's not a huge deal.

The Johansson trade still seems incomplete to me, but we've got a couple days left.
 

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I hope Guerin takes one more swing at Chychrun. His contract seems to be uniquely suited to out cap situation, and he would provide offense, albeit from the back end. Brodin can take the hard defensive matchups, his buddy Duhaime is on the team, I think we'd be a pretty scary playoff team in the West this year with a top 5 D if Chychrun is added.

I'd offer a 1st, Ohgren, Addison, Goli/Greenway(cap purposes).

We wouldn't need retention on chychrun, which would be in our favor.
 
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I hope Guerin takes one more swing at Chychrun. His contract seems to be uniquely suited to out cap situation, and he would provide offense, albeit from the back end. Brodin can take the hard defensive matchups, his buddy Duhaime is on the team, I think we'd be a pretty scary playoff team in the West this year with a top 5 D if Chychrun is added.

I'd offer a 1st, Ohgren, Addison, Goli/Greenway(cap purposes).
I do wonder what's going on behind the scenes there at this point. Healthy scratched for way too long "pending trade" and Chychrun seems to be expecting to be gone for real this deadline. The contract doesn't really force Arizona's hand here, but the relationship with the player might get pretty tense if they don't pull the trigger on something.

Reports a week or so ago were that there was a surplus of defensemen available, and a few buyers (Toronto, Edmonton) are probably out of the market now. Kinda wonder what the price will look like on Friday.

Tick tock...
 

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I like mid round picks for Nyquist+Johansson better than 2nd for Fleury, Sturm for Jost, 3rd for Deslaurier, etc.
Are we better on paper, yes. Are we better on the ice, tbd. If I’m being picky though, Nyquist trade was fine, but we already tried it once with Jo, and I wouldn’t have minded using the 3rd in a package to move up into the 2nd to take a chance there. I seriously doubt Johansson helps this team advance into the second round of the playoffs. But prove me wrong BG.
 

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I agree. Nyquist seems like A+ opportunism that fits our situation well: lots of deadline cap space and pretty good upside if he gets healthy. And it's a relatively low-stakes season, so even if things take a very bad turn it's not a huge deal.

The Johansson trade still seems incomplete to me, but we've got a couple days left.
I don’t think Guerin is done, but I don’t think it will be a Chychrun type move like 57 suggested. Greenway seems to be the guy on his way out.
 

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I don’t think Guerin is done, but I don’t think it will be a Chychrun type move like 57 suggested. Greenway seems to be the guy on his way out.
I think Chychrun's a low-percentage shot, but it's one that might be driven more by what's going on on Arizona's end. If they're motivated to get something done before the deadline, Minnesota's one of a few teams left bidding, and the price isn't eye-watering, his contract, age and skillset would be a very appealing option.

I agree that something around Greenway for a different forward is way more likely, though. I haven't seen any appealing options, but I don't think there's much room to do something all that negative either.
 

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Are we better on paper, yes. Are we better on the ice, tbd. If I’m being picky though, Nyquist trade was fine, but we already tried it once with Jo, and I wouldn’t have minded using the 3rd in a package to move up into the 2nd to take a chance there. I seriously doubt Johansson helps this team advance into the second round of the playoffs. But prove me wrong BG.
I view it like this: Johansson is going to be the temporary placeholder until Nyquist returns from injury. Johansson is a better goal scorer than Foligno. It doesn’t feel like management thinks that Beckman/Walker/Rossi are ready and they don’t want to jerk them around with roster movement.
 

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Seems like Barrie's value is pretty low. Would it make sense to bring him in if you can get him for a 2nd? I think he would be an upgrade over Addison and at 4.5M we could possibly fit him in next year.

My shopping list (for price of 2nd or prospect in the Peart/ROR/Spacek range)

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Seems like Barrie's value is pretty low. Would it make sense to bring him in if you can get him for a 2nd? I think he would be an upgrade over Addison and at 4.5M we could possibly fit him in next year.

My shopping list (for price of 2nd or prospect in the Peart/ROR/Spacek range)

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You lost me there. How are we going to afford someone that’s more expensive than Addison is/will be next year. I believe we have to shed cap as it is.
 

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I think Chychrun's a low-percentage shot, but it's one that might be driven more by what's going on on Arizona's end. If they're motivated to get something done before the deadline, Minnesota's one of a few teams left bidding, and the price isn't eye-watering, his contract, age and skillset would be a very appealing option.

I agree that something around Greenway for a different forward is way more likely, though. I haven't seen any appealing options, but I don't think there's much room to do something all that negative either.
I’m taken back on the price for Chychrun more than anything. Chychrun is a good player, but is he worth two 1sts, a young 22 year old RHD that has looked better recently, and a prime bounce back candidate in Greenway? If he is, how can we justify upgrading a position of organizational strength (LD) with that package versus a scoring center/winger?
 

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You lost me there. How are we going to afford someone that’s more expensive than Addison is/will be next year. I believe we have to shed cap as it is.
Chychrun (or Barrie) would definitely have to be a multiple moves type of thing with Foligno/Fleury/Goligoski/Greenway.

Greenway and at least 2 of the other 3 for sure. And that's only if you can get Duhaime for less than $1M, Addison for less than $2M and Gustavsson for less than $3M.
 

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You lost me there. How are we going to afford someone that’s more expensive than Addison is/will be next year. I believe we have to shed cap as it is.
Worst case scenario you could just trade Barrie in the offseason, or move out one or both of Greenway and Foligno. There are also the minor possibilities Fleury retires and/or the cap goes up.
 

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Seems like Barrie's value is pretty low. Would it make sense to bring him in if you can get him for a 2nd? I think he would be an upgrade over Addison and at 4.5M we could possibly fit him in next year.

My shopping list (for price of 2nd or prospect in the Peart/ROR/Spacek range)

JVR
Barrie
I’d give serious thought to a 2nd for Domi.
 
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Seems like Barrie's value is pretty low. Would it make sense to bring him in if you can get him for a 2nd? I think he would be an upgrade over Addison and at 4.5M we could possibly fit him in next year.

My shopping list (for price of 2nd or prospect in the Peart/ROR/Spacek range)

JVR
Barrie
Barrie’s salary would kill us next year. He is really not a good defender, at all….not much of an improvement over Addison, and Addison will 8mprove. There is a reason he keeps moving around. Chychrun isn’t a shutdown guy, but he’s decent defensively, is younger, and had good size. Far superior choice, IMO, especially with Brodin around to be the shutdown guy in the top 4.

I would be more than willing to include one of our LHD prospects, even Lambos. Chychrun and Brodin would be blocking the LHD top 4 for at least a couple few years, so how many do we need?

Getting,Chychrun, and losing essentially nothing, would make a us a pretty strong team this year, which would result in a pretty late 1st. Big difference between a 25 th oa and a late teens pick, IMO. I’d be fine with moving the first for a multi year acquisition like Chychrun.


Just a thought. At some point ARI has to move the guy. He should be worth less in the summer, as he would only be available for two playoff series rather than the three that he would be if they trade him before the TDL. Certainly won’t be worth more.
 

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I’m taken back on the price for Chychrun more than anything. Chychrun is a good player, but is he worth two 1sts, a young 22 year old RHD that has looked better recently, and a prime bounce back candidate in Greenway? If he is, how can we justify upgrading a position of organizational strength (LD) with that package versus a scoring center/winger?
That's more than I'd want to pay as well, so it really does come down to how motivated Arizona is to sell him right now. In all likelihood they won't come down much off their current asking price, but you never know.

More broadly though, I think his contract's a good fit and while we have good prospect depth at LD I don't think any of them project into what Chychrun is and will continue to be for the foreseeable future. Beyond Brodin and an aging Spurgeon, our top-4 going into next year doesn't inspire a ton of confidence, and I don't think any of the Iowa guys are likely to fix that.

The highest priority is, and apparently always will be, centers. But if we waited to get one of those before doing anything else we'd never make a move. Unless there's an appealing trade target at center this summer (I haven't really looked), I don't think acquiring Chychrun leaves us any worse off there.
 
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Barrie’s salary would kill us next year. He is really not a good defender, at all….not much of an improvement over Addison, and Addison will 8mprove. There is a reason he keeps moving around. Chychrun isn’t a shutdown guy, but he’s decent defensively, is younger, and had good size. Far superior choice, IMO, especially with Brodin around to be the shutdown guy in the top 4.

I would be more than willing to include one of our LHD prospects, even Lambos. Chychrun and Brodin would be blocking the LHD top 4 for at least a couple few years, so how many do we need?

Getting,Chychrun, and losing essentially nothing, would make a us a pretty strong team this year, which would result in a pretty late 1st. Big difference between a 25 th oa and a late teens pick, IMO. I’d be fine with moving the first for a multi year acquisition like Chychrun.


Just a thought. At some point ARI has to move the guy. He should be worth less in the summer, as he would only be available for two playoff series rather than the three that he would be if they trade him before the TDL. Certainly won’t be worth more.
I’d try to get Chychrun for 1st+prospect+salary. Anything more and it’s not worth it.
 

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Chychrun gets hurt way too much for my liking. One fully healthy season in seven, and that was a shortened one.

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Greenway + ROR/Hunt/Peart + Addison/2nd and I do not expect that to be enough.
 

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Chychrun gets hurt way too much for my liking. One fully healthy season in seven, and that was a shortened one.

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Greenway + ROR/Hunt/Peart + Addison/2nd and I do not expect that to be enough.
Also a good point that I hadn't really looked at. Spurgeon's kind of in the same boat so it's not really a deal breaker, but it's something to account for. Prospect depth can help with this sort of thing, too.
 

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I’d probably move any 2 of our LD prospects + Top 10 protected 2024 1st. I think it makes a ton of sense for Arizona to do a deal like that.

No point in having a deep LD pool if you’ve got Brodin + Chychrun for potentially the next 5+ years.

Only problem I could see with acquiring Chychrun is you’re likely going to be paying him $8M+ on an extension compared to paying someone like Lambos/ROR/Hunt $1-2M in the 25-26 season. Lot of improvements can be made with that extra cap.
 
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