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Greenway for JVR just makes too much sense, even though I'd strongly prefer to get a pick or prospect for him instead.
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Greenway for JVR just makes too much sense, even though I'd strongly prefer to get a pick or prospect for him instead.
Minnewildsota
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I'm torn on this one:
JVR - more consistent. Not as many highs and lows which probably puts him as a better player overall.
Greenway - A rollercoaster in its truest form. When he's off, he's basically useless but when he's on, he's a force to be reckoned with - at least on the forecheck and defensively. The past few games he's looked more like his precious self. I understand the frustration from management if they have to keep lighting a fire under his ass.
If it's a straight up swap, I suppose I could live with it.
If we have to add, I'd rather just roll with Greenway.
If Philly adds, well that's just peachy.
Dr Jan Itor
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JVR would be a sop to the players and fans for this year, and to give the illusion that Guerin is trying to do something to win this year, when it’s really all about getting rid of Greenway.
JVR is a scorer who doesn’t score anymore, brings no speed, physicality, or defense. I can see Torts wanting Greenway, and challenging him to make something of his talents. Might be the best thing that ever happened to him - or break him.
I would far rather that we try to get a pick of decent prospect for Greenway, but since we don’t want to retain on Greenway, we might have to do it this way, and get a high, but expiring, contract. Would rather see Beckman, Walker, or Rossi playing up.
JVR is a scorer who doesn’t score anymore, brings no speed, physicality, or defense. I can see Torts wanting Greenway, and challenging him to make something of his talents. Might be the best thing that ever happened to him - or break him.
I would far rather that we try to get a pick of decent prospect for Greenway, but since we don’t want to retain on Greenway, we might have to do it this way, and get a high, but expiring, contract. Would rather see Beckman, Walker, or Rossi playing up.
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Trading Greenway at his lowest value just seems dumb to me.
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Id do a Greenway for JVR deal. Regardless of where you think JVRs game is now, we all can see that Greenway is nothing more than a stinking sack of dung. JVR at least has shown he can add some offense, and might be worth seeing if he and Boldy can figure something out this postseason. Plus, I think it would send a good message to the team.
Not sure Greenway will ever be more than he is right now. Dude can barely stay on his feet.
Not sure Greenway will ever be more than he is right now. Dude can barely stay on his feet.
JVR for Greenway is a good way to get slower, softer, and score at the same rate. Not a great combo if you want an “upgrade” for the playoffs. He’s Matt Moulson.
I’d have no interest in moving Greenway prior to next season’s deadline. Playing the way he is currently in his worst year with injuries is still better than they’d get than a washed JVR.
I’d have no interest in moving Greenway prior to next season’s deadline. Playing the way he is currently in his worst year with injuries is still better than they’d get than a washed JVR.
Want no part of JVR and I am convinced that that is exactly what we'll get. The upside is that he shouldn't cost much and the team can play it up like a significant acquisition.
So the previous 3 seasons were all just a fluke?
Whatever line Greenway is on is at least contributing to the scoring 5v5. Since Greenway has been healthy (Nov 23) he's tied for 5th (Freddy G) in FWDs in in 5v5 on ice GF. The 4 players above him: Kap, Zucc, Steel, and Hartman.
Who cares if he has 1p in the last 20 something games (Boldy has 3p in the same timeframe). The entire lineup, outside of Kap's line, has been pretty barren. Greenway is the same as Boldy in needing a finisher on his line, since both their shots stink (Greenway's is worse).
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I would have suggested moving most of these guys last year but I would have been called an idiot for suggesting we sell when we're towards the top of the standings. Can't see his value going up much from here and he's worn out his welcome so it is what it is.
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Would you all trade Dumba/Greenway for Fiala? That's how dumb the "can't find cap space" for Fiala is especially after Dumba and Greenway walk over the next 2 years for nothing or get late picks.
Minnewildsota
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I think someone is misunderstanding how trades and the salary cap work.
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There isn't much on this roster I wouldn't have moved before Fiala. The only two players ahead of him would be Kaprizov and Boldy.
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I would not have called you an idiot. It was clear that having 4 or 5 guys all having career highs was something that likely wasn't repeatable, and that's a decent time to sell. The problem is, even if they felt the same, no GM would do it because their job is on the line. Even if you're right, it's hard to explain to your boss why you're moving on from something that worked really well as recently as "yesterday".
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“We have this product that’s working well. Given its success, we’ve decided to change it up “
BagHead
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"Wait, you want to change it up? Why? Can you explain yourself, Mr. GM?"
"Well sir, yes I can. You see, it's working too well."
Foligno was the player I would have looked to trade if cap was needed. A 30yo that just had a career year and plays a heavy game, so an all time high value for a player that is probably going to fall off a cliff within a season or two.
I would have had Hartman on that list as well, but his cap hit is just too good to trade away without a stupid return coming back. Plus the complete lack of centers on the team and in the system.
No I wouldn't have traded Dumba/Greenway. Dumba mainly because there wasn't any replacement for him, He under performed his contact last year, so I didn't think there would be a return worth it.
My version of how MN should have handled is much different than the team that's on the ice and cap problems are now.
DANOZ28
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Different style of play between the two of them. He's a Scandella type of 2nd pair defensive d-man that TOR needs.
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For the fans on here it's Gus.
For the coach/GM it's a tandem.
If the Playoffs started today, MAF would (probably) be the in net.
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