He’s got 14 points. Mid range is stretching it. The guy is a bottom six grinder. Must be the Wayne Gretzky of the locker room.
TBL have the track record of making things work, but can’t help but feel that they’ve lost the plot on this one.
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TBL have the track record of making things work, but can’t help but feel that they’ve lost the plot on this one.
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He had 24 goals and 41 points last year in his rookie season though and is going through a sophomore slump, so I can see why teams might be optimistic about his future.
Then you realize he's just 3 months younger than Greenway who has been branded a negative value cap dump after one poor season.
Yeah, it’s not that I want to run him down, but the return on him is absurd. Two 1sts, and three more mid round picks? Is Foote still a prospect with NHL potential?
Police fleeced TBL.
Foote isn't really a prospect anymore. He's 24 years old and hasn't done much in the NHL.
He was in the Calder running last year. He's a better Greenway
It was a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th plus Foote who TBL fans seem to not care one iota about losing.
Since the 1st isn't until 2025 and the 2nd isn't until 2024 that kinda minimizes the present value of those picks.
At the time that was offered, Dumba was dramatically more valuable than Nylander.
Not really!! Nylander was coming off back to back 60 point seasons. And Dumba season was over in December the year Fenton was here, so obviously that trade offer was made during off season or very early in the 2018/2019 season before Dumbas injury
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Yep and Nylander was holding out as a RFA at the time. He didn't sign until Dec 1st, was a $10.2m cap hit, and wasn't good for that season.
If it was the day before Nylander signed as rumored (late November/early December), that was something like 2 or 3 weeks before his injury fighting Matthew
Hindsight is always 20/20, but if Dumba doesn’t get injured I’d like to think he would still be more valuable than Nylander.
I have this discussion with my buddy almost every night. He’s newer to watching the Wild and we watch together on discord. He’s constantly nagging about Dumba and how he sucks and he’s not worth his contract and he couldn’t believe the Wild ever gave him that deal. He never got to see “prime” Dumba, whom had an absolute cannon of a shot. I was watching highlights the other day from the 2017 and 2018 seasons and it’s so depressing. His shot has fallen off so hard. My buddy never got to see the flip side.
If you want to be depressed, go watch Dumba blast some goals home early in the 18-19 season.
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Yes; it’s just funny now. Edit: I read that as Dumba more valuable than he is now.
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Dumba’s fallout has to be one of the more mysterious developments I’ve ever seen. He’s still got a cannon, maybe it’s less accurate now, but it’s like he just never gets into spots to use it either. Kinda a crazy thing. I would’ve never expected this would be his trajectory. I think a lot of us were thinking he would be the 1D to build around for a decade. Just goes to show you can never assume anything in this league.
Well he did almost take a guys face off with it in a game a couple of years ago.
He lost his accuracy (it never was great). A big shot that is inaccurate just ends up doing more harm than good. It kills o-zone possession after it bounces off the backwall and out of the zone. The net front Wild players are afraid of it and just want to get out of the line of fire. There isn't a tip/deflection option when all they want to do is not get hit with it.
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I wanted Nylander and would have moved Dumba for him in a heartbeat. Doesn't make me right, just lucky.
Think, blind squirrel/acorn.
Think, blind squirrel/acorn.
I liked him when he was young, as I saw his elite physical ability, and was able to write off his errors in judgement as things he would grow out of, but onceI saw him making the same mistakes over and over, I became doubtful that he would ever be more than a PP shooter and second pairing Dman. Never a #1D.
Basically, I don’t like his decision making. I think it’s impulsive, and way off. That’s a problem at any position, but especially in a Dman, where a lot of it is about having sound judgement, rather than high end skill and fast skating- I mean this are nice to have at any position, but you can get away with more mistakes as a wing.
I pretty well gave up on him a few years ago. Even the events leading to the Tkachuk fight… he didn’t need to make that blow up hit. Same with the injury trying to body check MacEachern, I think? A 6’6 nobody…why bother.?
Blow up hits just aren’t worth it anymore. League calls you on just about everything, and it’s a high risk, low reward play, yet he continues to attempt them.
Bottom line is that while I appreciate his off ice personality, which seems pretty positive, I have found him to be a disappointment, albeit a minor one. The guy has had a decent career, after all. Just think it could’ve been way better.
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Agreed. The number of defensemen that get put on the PP before he's even gotten a sniff over the last few years is very alarming, considering what his skillset is/was supposed to be.
Dumba has played his way off the PP over the last couple of years. He's just not a scoring threat, and not a good enough passer to make the cross ice passes. He also has the tendencies all the Yeo players have in slowing things down instead of quick puck movement.
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Ok, but when you see Brodin and Kulikov (I think) get PP time ahead of him, it's still alarming.
Dumba was 2nd for d-men ppToI/game last year.
This year Brodin has 21 mins and Dumba has 5 mins of ppToI. I have no clue how much of that is situational, or how injuries played into it, but neither are being trotted out there for regular nightly shifts. Greenway has 22 mins, with Rossi and Goli have 20 mins each.
PP2 is just a lost cause this year. The coaches and fans both know it.
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That is an interesting one for sure. Still agree with others in this thread that we should be moving Foligno for the price others are going for. Especially if we are looking to bring in JVR in any capacity.
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