Speculation: Trade and Free Agency Talk - 2022-23 Edition - Postseason Success can't be a Myth!

[BagHead]

Man.... I'm pretty down on Addison this year (PP stats notwithstanding) but if he's involved in a trade for f***ing Boeser I'm going to be livid. Thinking long term, i.e. post dead cap, what a terrible, awful, trade that would be. Give the kid time to learn and develop or use him in a trade that may actually help us in 3 years.

Yeah, the more I think on it, the more I just would prefer to see us only move guys for futures or 1-for-1 obvious upgrades (fat chance). If those deals aren't there, let the kids develop and see which of them is cream and which is whey.

I really want to see the Wild come out of the dead cap era with lots of cap space to utilize on a top young free agent and a young, skilled, core group of players.

 

[57special]

We just have to give Addison a fraction of the patience we gave Dumba. Don’t understand how everyone is willing to dump our only young Dman of note, and totally take for granted the improvement of our perennially mediocre PP since he has been placed there.
I mean, I love Brodin, but he is an average offensive player. I accept that, because he is a fantastic defensive player.

Addison is the opposite, and unlike Brodin, is not asked to play top 4 in his rookie year, but third pairing, with a mediocre partner, as opposed to Suter, who at that time, was possibly the best defensive Dman in the league, and a top 5 Dman overall.

Where’s the perspective here? We have a young guy who can skate, and handle the puck, and people, including his f***ing coach, do nothing but focus on his mistakes and undermine his confidence.

 

[kfan22]

A win tonight would put Wild within 3 points of division lead, then would have 4 games until Trade deadline and 3 of the 4 very winnable games. You know Guerin is going to try and make a splash!

 

[Sota Popinski]

Fiala was on the team as much as ROR is currently when GMBG made those comments. It was dumb to say, for sure, but Fiala was only on the team on paper at that point. Everyone knew he was being traded by the draft.

He threw a similar hissy fit when pressed on Talbot's situation. He made plenty of Parise comments during his last season too.

There is no good reason to minimize the contributions of any player still on your team. Even if Fiala was on the way out, why devalue your own player?

His comments about Talbot were spot on, didn't badmouth the player, and only came about because Talbot's agent came out and demanded a trade. That didn't happen with Fiala.

 

[57special]

A win tonight would put Wild within 3 points of division lead, then would have 4 games until Trade deadline and 3 of the 4 very winnable games. You know Guerin is going to try and make a splash!

Our version of a splash would be keeping Dumba, and I’m ok with that, if all he will bring back is a 2nd.

I can’t see Greenway bringing much of anything back in trade.

 

[Digitalbooya]

We just have to give Addison a fraction of the patience we gave Dumba. Don’t understand how everyone is willing to dump our only young Dman of note, and totally take for granted the improvement of our perennially mediocre PP since he has been placed there.
I mean, I love Brodin, but he is an average offensive player. I accept that, because he is a fantastic defensive player.

Addison is the opposite, and unlike Brodin, is not asked to play top 4 in his rookie year, but third pairing, with a mediocre partner, as opposed to Suter, who at that time, was possibly the best defensive Dman in the league, and a top 5 Dman overall.

Where’s the perspective here? We have a young guy who can skate, and handle the puck, and people, including his f***ing coach, do nothing but focus on his mistakes and undermine his confidence.

This is inaccurate. In Dumba's first three seasons 14-15 through 16-17, he had 850 minutes with Suter and 2,930 minutes without Suter. 5v5 was 550 minutes with Suter and 2,595 without Suter.

And I seem to recall people having an absolute hay day with Dumba's turnovers and defensive problems early in his career. Patience? What patience lol.

 

[TaLoN]

This is inaccurate. In Dumba's first three seasons 14-15 through 16-17, he had 850 minutes with Suter and 2,930 minutes without Suter. 5v5 was 550 minutes with Suter and 2,595 without Suter.

And I seem to recall people having an absolute hay day with Dumba's turnovers and defensive problems early in his career. Patience? What patience lol.

I think he was referring to Brodin playing with Suter when he entered the league

 

[Digitalbooya]

I think he was referring to Brodin playing with Suter when he entered the league

Oh whoops Looks like you are right reading it back now.

 

[Wabit]

We just have to give Addison a fraction of the patience we gave Dumba. Don’t understand how everyone is willing to dump our only young Dman of note, and totally take for granted the improvement of our perennially mediocre PP since he has been placed there.
I mean, I love Brodin, but he is an average offensive player. I accept that, because he is a fantastic defensive player.

Addison is the opposite, and unlike Brodin, is not asked to play top 4 in his rookie year, but third pairing, with a mediocre partner, as opposed to Suter, who at that time, was possibly the best defensive Dman in the league, and a top 5 Dman overall.

Where’s the perspective here? We have a young guy who can skate, and handle the puck, and people, including his f***ing coach, do nothing but focus on his mistakes and undermine his confidence.

He only skates and handles the puck on the PP, the rest of the time he doesn't have any positives. The PP will be just fine without him. Boldy, Kap, JEE, and Zucc are what make it work. The with/without numbers on stat trick back this up. Add in last season for a larger sample size of the 4 FWDs without Addison and they are 2.08 GF/60 higher and .73 ga/60 lower.

Dumba55 was a thing for a reason and he changed his number from 55 to 24 after his 1st full season. He was benched and sent down to the AHL for a stint in his first full season. Dumba was 20 compared to Addison's 22. Dumba also was +13 (tied 4th best on the team) for the season and Addison is -18 (dead last by a lot).

 

[MNRube]

Lots of buzz around this Jake Livingstone guy from Mankato. Supposed to be a top undrafted FA.

He’s from B.C but plays here now and maybe his college sweetheart is a local girl and he enjoys MN. Big, productive RHD who supposedly is prioritizing an opportunity for immediate NHL minutes. If Dumba & Addison don’t come back, we will be very light behind Spurgeon and could use another big body.

Anybody got a better scouting report on him?

 

[TwiztedHeat]

Trade for Chychrun GMBG, do it you coward! Bet you won’t!

But really I’d much prefer paying big for him over dealing for Boeser….

1st+Lambos+Greenway?

 

[Wabit]

Lots of buzz around this Jake Livingstone guy from Mankato. Supposed to be a top undrafted FA.

He’s from B.C but plays here now and maybe his college sweetheart is a local girl and he enjoys MN. Big, productive RHD who supposedly is prioritizing an opportunity for immediate NHL minutes. If Dumba & Addison don’t come back, we will be very light behind Spurgeon and could use another big body.

Anybody got a better scouting report on him?

I know there are a few MN fans (whose opinions I respect) on cap friendly that are really high on him. Their ideal end to the season is signing both Faber and Livingstone after their college seasons are over.

Livingstone wouldn't be NHL Playoff eligible (no clue on the AHL Playoffs rules). With Spurgeon here long term, Faber as a high value RD prospect, and Addison already on the team there isn't a clear path for him to get NHL time. He turns 24 soon so my guess is he looks for a clearer path than MN has for NHL time.

Trade for Chychrun GMBG, do it you coward! Bet you won’t!

But really I’d much prefer paying big for him over dealing for Boeser….

1st+Lambos+Greenway?

Chycrun should have been traded for last year instead of Middleton. I think the ship has sailed on MN being in on him. I also see no reason why AZ takes that offer.

 

[Spurgeon]

Chychrun makes a lot of sense if they’re going to be able to re-sign him after the 24/25 season.

We really don’t have a mid 20s LHD to fit in behind Brodin. His contract is also great for the dead cap years.

I’d do 2024 1st + Lambos + Middleton honestly. Maybe Goli would want to go back there too.

 

[keppel146]

Would anyone make this trade? (Starting point)

Kaprizov + 2nd/B prospect

For

Cozens + Savoie + 2023 1st unprotected

Boldy-Cozens-Savoie
Rossi-MK-Yurov
2023 1st/Walker-Ek-Ohgren
4th line

 

[AKL]

Would anyone make this trade? (Starting point)

Kaprizov + 2nd/B prospect

For

Cozens + Savoie + 2023 1st unprotected

Boldy-Cozens-Savoie
Rossi-MK-Yurov
2023 1st/Walker-Ek-Ohgren
4th line

I would explore what other teams are offering first. But if we felt like trading Kaprizov was best I would do this.

 

[AKL]

If Nick Schmaltz is available, he's a guy who I think is a MUCH better target than Boeser. I'm not sure if Arizona would retain for three years, but he's at 5.85 as opposed to Boeser at 6.65. But at the same time I would take Schmaltz at 5.85 over Boeser at even 5.

Price to acquire is probably quite a bit more too though, because Schmaltz is a better player.

 

[Wabit]

If Nick Schmaltz is available, he's a guy who I think is a MUCH better target than Boeser. I'm not sure if Arizona would retain for three years, but he's at 5.85 as opposed to Boeser at 6.65. But at the same time I would take Schmaltz at 5.85 over Boeser at even 5.

Price to acquire is probably quite a bit more too though, because Schmaltz is a better player.

Schmaltz is a guy that seems like he can't make it though a season without getting injured. Is he playing center or wing now?

 

[Prior]

Schmaltz is a wing now, been for a while.

 

[thestonedkoala]

Would anyone make this trade? (Starting point)

Kaprizov + 2nd/B prospect

For

Cozens + Savoie + 2023 1st unprotected

Boldy-Cozens-Savoie
Rossi-MK-Yurov
2023 1st/Walker-Ek-Ohgren
4th line

That'd just get you Kaprizov.

 

[AKL]

Schmaltz is a guy that seems like he can't make it though a season without getting injured. Is he playing center or wing now?

Neither can Boeser. Ideally I'd go after neither, but if we're picking one, Schmaltz is miles ahead for me.

He's been playing wing opposite Keller for quite a while now. They've had a rotating cast of centers, but at the moment it's Hayton.

 

[f7ben]

Neither can Boeser. Ideally I'd go after neither, but if we're picking one, Schmaltz is miles ahead for me.

He's been playing wing opposite Keller for quite a while now. They've had a rotating cast of centers, but at the moment it's Hayton.

I’d sure like to get our hands on a Clayton Keller. That kid is a gamer

 

[AKL]

I’d sure like to get our hands on a Clayton Keller. That kid is a gamer

Meh, he's had about three good months

 

[f7ben]

Meh, he's had about three good months

Yah , about 3 good months per season like most star players

 

[AKL]

Yah , about 3 good months per season like most star players

Keller's really had about three good months in just the last three months alone. He's great.

 

[Bdub]

That'd just get you Kaprizov.

Id make that trade.