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With ~$1M retainage on Boeser, yes.

I'd need Boeser in the $4m-$4.5m/yr range before I'd take him for free. There is just so much about his game that I don't like. He also is just seems like he'll be another Vanek/Yeo oil and water combo with Deano.

I see that MN can add a $4m/yr player without making a big roster change this offseason.
 

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I'd need Boeser in the $4m-$4.5m/yr range before I'd take him for free. There is just so much about his game that I don't like. He also is just seems like he'll be another Vanek/Yeo oil and water combo with Deano.

I see that MN can add a $4m/yr player without making a big roster change this offseason.
The hypothetical already included a decently big roster change, with Fleury moving out.
 

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The hypothetical already included a decently big roster change, with Fleury moving out.

MAF has a full NMC and is getting paid a decent amount of money. Why does he leave (or retire) for anywhere at all? Which team would even want him? He's been demoted to backup before, he's won Cups, so there is nothing new for him at all in the NHL.

PIT is the only reasonable destination I see him waiving for, and that's only if he wanted one last hurrah with Crosby, Letang, and Malkin. I'm not sure why they would want him with their cap and how he's playing this year.

Who replaces him? I don't see the team going into the season with their goalies having a combined 70 NHL games (all of them from Gus).
 

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MAF has a full NMC and is getting paid a decent amount of money. Why does he leave (or retire) for anywhere at all? Which team would even want him? He's been demoted to backup before, he's won Cups, so there is nothing new for him at all in the NHL.

PIT is the only reasonable destination I see him waiving for, and that's only if he wanted one last hurrah with Crosby, Letang, and Malkin. I'm not sure why they would want him with their cap and how he's playing this year.

Who replaces him? I don't see the team going into the season with their goalies having a combined 70 NHL games (all of them from Gus).
Maybe he gets allergic to his equipment. I don't know. It's a hypothetical.
 

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If you could do:

MAF for a 3rd
Greenway+3rd for Boeser

Would you do it?
MAF. In a flash

No to the 2nd because Boeser’s deal will cost us one of Gus, Addison, or Gaudreau( don’t laugh). I also just don’t like Boeser’s game. Plodding. He’s a JVR clone, injuries and all. With the forward prospects we have in the system I don’t want him clogging up the roster and cap. Would rather re- sign Zucc, who is a far better forward.
 

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MAF has a full NMC and is getting paid a decent amount of money. Why does he leave (or retire) for anywhere at all? Which team would even want him? He's been demoted to backup before, he's won Cups, so there is nothing new for him at all in the NHL.

PIT is the only reasonable destination I see him waiving for, and that's only if he wanted one last hurrah with Crosby, Letang, and Malkin. I'm not sure why they would want him with their cap and how he's playing this year.

Who replaces him? I don't see the team going into the season with their goalies having a combined 70 NHL games (all of them from Gus).
Get a backup McGoalie for 1M(Stalockj, or use a combo of McIntyre/Wall. I don’t really care, because I don’t expect that our team will be anything more than a fringe playoff team next year.
 

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MAF has a full NMC and is getting paid a decent amount of money. Why does he leave (or retire) for anywhere at all? Which team would even want him? He's been demoted to backup before, he's won Cups, so there is nothing new for him at all in the NHL.

PIT is the only reasonable destination I see him waiving for, and that's only if he wanted one last hurrah with Crosby, Letang, and Malkin. I'm not sure why they would want him with their cap and how he's playing this year.

Who replaces him? I don't see the team going into the season with their goalies having a combined 70 NHL games (all of them from Gus).
To Pittsburgh for NJD 3rd is what I had marked down for a trade. They need goaltending with Jarry injured. They would need to make a separate move or send a pending UFA to us to clear cap.

You could call up Wallstedt to see where he’s at. If he’s not ready you sign a dirt cheap UFA in the offseason.
 
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To Pittsburgh for NJD 3rd is what I had marked down for a trade. They need goaltending with Jarry injured. They would need to make a separate move or send a pending UFA to us to clear cap.

You could call up Wallstedt to see where he’s at. If he’s not ready you sign a dirt cheap UFA in the offseason.
Jarry is coming back, though
 

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To Pittsburgh for NJD 3rd is what I had marked down for a trade. They need goaltending with Jarry injured. They would need to make a separate move or send a pending UFA to us to clear cap.

You could call up Wallstedt to see where he’s at. If he’s not ready you sign a dirt cheap UFA in the offseason.

Jarry is starting tonight for PIT.
 

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No one is going to trade for Fleury. He's cooked and teams know that. They were probably laughing at Guerin for signing him to that ridiculous contract.
 

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Wild insider: Russo and Smith on Staal's party, mock cheers for Fleury, the Addison dilemma, more
But there’s clearly something brewing here between the coaching staff and the rookie defenseman, who has been a spark for the power play but struggles in his own end. The fact this was the second time Addison has been sat over a three-month span means it’s a recurring problem; in December it was for just one game. And it seems as though Addison doesn’t completely agree with the coach’s assessment. Coaches told him he was playing “scared,” and not engaging.

“I’m not scared out there,” Addison said.

But one thing is for certain: Coach Dean Evason’s advice to watch captain Jared Spurgeon is something Addison needs to take seriously. If anyone knows about being a shutdown defender as a smaller guy, it’s Spurgeon, who is two inches shorter.

If Addison is watching Spurgeon, that’s one thing. But he’s surely not fully taking advantage of a potential goldmine of a resource.

“He never really comes over to ask anything,” Spurgeon said.

Spurgeon wasn’t being critical. He did say he’s talked with Addison on a number of occasions, pointing out things in practice and stuff like that. He brought up issues he himself had in his first few seasons.

“Not groundbreaking stuff,” Spurgeon said. “But maybe stuff you’re not thinking about.”

No one is going to trade for Fleury. He's cooked and teams know that. They were probably laughing at Guerin for signing him to that ridiculous contract.
And isn't there a NMC?
 

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Without knowing exactly what was said to Addison it's hard to put what scared means into full context.

Just from watching games I do think he's playing scared, in the context he doesn't want to get beat back, so he's completely unengaged in the o-zone play 5v5. He retreats very early on contested pucks and it makes for an easy clear for the other team. There aren't the Dumba bad pinches, but there aren't the Spurgeon good pinches either when he's on the ice. There isn't an opportunity for him to pinch because he's already standing at center ice.

I can't confirm this without having overhead view and a breakdown by shift. The film room is where this should be addressed with ready examples of what he is doing and what he should be doing instead. Then followed up on and reinforced during practice/morning skate.

My gut tells me this isn't how it happened, just guessing Dean has the save aversion video and he does to practice. Instead it was more along the lines of a chat in the coach's office telling he he was playing scared, watch Spurgeon, and to do better.
 

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Without knowing exactly what was said to Addison it's hard to put what scared means into full context.

Just from watching games I do think he's playing scared, in the context he doesn't want to get beat back, so he's completely unengaged in the o-zone play 5v5. He retreats very early on contested pucks and it makes for an easy clear for the other team. There aren't the Dumba bad pinches, but there aren't the Spurgeon good pinches either when he's on the ice. There isn't an opportunity for him to pinch because he's already standing at center ice.

I can't confirm this without having overhead view and a breakdown by shift. The film room is where this should be addressed with ready examples of what he is doing and what he should be doing instead. Then followed up on and reinforced during practice/morning skate.

My gut tells me this isn't how it happened, just guessing Dean has the save aversion video and he does to practice. Instead it was more along the lines of a chat in the coach's office telling he he was playing scared, watch Spurgeon, and to do better.

I know there's a balance but imagine he goes for a pinch and misses? Then people are outraged about his bad defense and he's scratched for allowing too many odd man rushes. Damned if you do, damned if you don't I guess? Maybe Dean and the rest of the coaching staff have an aversion to coaching young players that aren't already finished products. Rossi, Addison... Boldy succeeded because he walked on to this roster as a top six caliber player already.
 
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I know there's a balance but imagine he goes for a pinch and misses? Then people are outraged about his bad defense and he's scratched for allowing too many odd man rushes. Damned if you do, damned if you don't I guess? Maybe Dean and the rest of the coaching staff have an aversion to coaching young players that aren't already finished products. Rossi, Addison... Boldy succeeded because he walked on to this roster as a top six caliber player already.

I just think they have an aversion to coaching as a whole. It would require showing up for more than just the games.
 

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I just think they have an aversion to coaching as a whole. It would require showing up for more than just the games.

Well I shudder to think about how many more good (exciting at the very least) players we could lose before we realize he's just not a good head coach. It's bad enough that Fiala had to go over clashing with Dean. There's no reason that list needs to get any longer.
 

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Well I shudder to think about how many more good (exciting at the very least) players we could lose before we realize he's just not a good head coach. It's bad enough that Fiala had to go over clashing with Dean. There's no reason that list needs to get any longer.

Fiala was on the GM not the coach. It's not like Fiala was a .5ppg player under Dean, and then turned into a ppg player just after leaving.
 

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Fiala was on the GM not the coach. It's not like Fiala was a .5ppg player under Dean, and then turned into a ppg player just after leaving.

Fiala and Dean had clashes, and that is almost certainly one of the reasons he was traded, is what I'm referring to. Bill knew what Fiala was and still pulled the trigger, and that's on him, but they probably would have tried harder to keep him if Fiala and the coach didn't have issues.
 

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Fiala and Dean had clashes, and that is almost certainly one of the reasons he was traded, is what I'm referring to. Bill knew what Fiala was and still pulled the trigger, and that's on him, but they probably would have tried harder to keep him if Fiala and the coach didn't have issues.

I don't think so. Dean and Fiala could have been like peas and carrots and GMBG still would have traded Fiala since he only had 3 good months.
 

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Without knowing exactly what was said to Addison it's hard to put what scared means into full context.

Just from watching games I do think he's playing scared, in the context he doesn't want to get beat back, so he's completely unengaged in the o-zone play 5v5. He retreats very early on contested pucks and it makes for an easy clear for the other team. There aren't the Dumba bad pinches, but there aren't the Spurgeon good pinches either when he's on the ice. There isn't an opportunity for him to pinch because he's already standing at center ice.

I can't confirm this without having overhead view and a breakdown by shift. The film room is where this should be addressed with ready examples of what he is doing and what he should be doing instead. Then followed up on and reinforced during practice/morning skate.

My gut tells me this isn't how it happened, just guessing Dean has the save aversion video and he does to practice. Instead it was more along the lines of a chat in the coach's office telling he he was playing scared, watch Spurgeon, and to do better.
Well said. Addison is never going to be a stalwart in the D zone, but usually he is confident and assertive when handling the puck in the neutral and O zone. He has more ability skating and handling the puck than he has shown, and it strikes me that his timidity in 5 v 5 is because he gets roasted if he makes a mistake, or maybe it’s a self imposed worry about his defensive play. He doesn’t have Dumba’s athleticism, but he’s got better judgement, IMO. Time for him to take some risks carrying the puck up ice, without being stupid about it.

I love Dmen who are solid defensively, but there is also a place on a team for a guy who is mediocre defensively, but a vg puck handler and distributor/PP guy. I maintain that if you stick Addison with Brodin they would be a very interesting duo.
 

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The playing scared comment was completely valid, Addison looked completely terrified to go into the corners against Jamie Benn and was essentially just giving away free possessions without even making an attempt at a play. The watch Spurgeon comments apply to retrievals and exits as well, which Addison has not been good at lately, a player with his puck moving skills needs to make much better decisions to beat the forecheck, he has been indecisive and failing in that regard.
 

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I just about had a heart attack. My buddy texted me the Wild traded for Bertuzzi. I have never flown through three twitter feeds (Russo, Smith, and Friedman) so fast in my life.

Thankfully, he misspoke.
 

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I just about had a heart attack. My buddy texted me the Wild traded for Bertuzzi. I have never flown through three twitter feeds (Russo, Smith, and Friedman) so fast in my life.

Thankfully, he misspoke.

Damn, this sounds like a fun new game. Text DB about random made up trades.

This might make me look halfheartedly for my phone and plug it into the ps5 charger to get in on the action.
 

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Damn, this sounds like a fun new game. Text DB about random made up trades.

This might make me look halfheartedly for my phone and plug it into the ps5 charger to get in on the action.
If I had more friends that cared about hockey I'm sure this would be a fun game for them :laugh:
 

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I just about had a heart attack. My buddy texted me the Wild traded for Bertuzzi. I have never flown through three twitter feeds (Russo, Smith, and Friedman) so fast in my life.

Thankfully, he misspoke.
Yeah I wouldn't want Todd Bertuzzi either plus didn't he retire in like 2015.
 
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