Speculation: Trade and Free Agency Talk - 2022-23 Edition - Postseason Success can't be a Myth!

[Minnewildsota]

There is also no guarantee Gus doesn't fall off a cliff. Wild fans going nuts for a goalie with 52 career games under his belt is just silly. The guy has a LOT more to prove - don't crown him yet.

You trade him if the return helps you down the middle in the long run - otherwise keep him imo.

Im fine riding MAF/Wallstedt next year and let the dice fall where they may. MAF is a MUCH better mentor for Wallstedt then Gus.

Who is going nuts?

I just think it's foolish to trade him away because if you keep him and Wallstedt, you have 2 proverbial bullets in the goalie gun.

Trade him away. You run with MAF and Wallstedt. You're banking on Wallstedt turning out.

Keep him. You have Gus and Wallstedt, either one could turn out and you'd be happy.

 

[MuckOG]

Is Addison's career over

No

 

[57special]

Is Addison's career over

Yes, word is he will be filing retirement papers soon

 

[AKL]

Is Addison's career over

What?

 

[57special]

The idea with the Gus trade is, for once, to talk about a player who is at the height of his value, sort of like Hartman was last year. Everyone wants to trade players who are not performing, when their value is low. I know that trading him will leave us lean on goalies going into next year, but does anyone think that that we will be a contender next year, given all we have to deal with? It’s at least worth discussing, rather than moaning about how we can’t move Dumba and Greenway.

For the record, I love Gus, and think he should be the #1 priority for the team to sign during the summer. However, he is a trade chip that would be of most value at the TDL to a couple of teams at least, as they would get the use of him for the playoffs, as well as next year.

 

[roon]

Who is going nuts?

I just think it's foolish to trade him away because if you keep him and Wallstedt, you have 2 proverbial bullets in the goalie gun.

Trade him away. You run with MAF and Wallstedt. You're banking on Wallstedt turning out.

Keep him. You have Gus and Wallstedt, either one could turn out and you'd be happy.

My point is that Gus is no more of a "bullet in the goalie gun" than Wallstedt. Dude has 52 games under him and we are acting like he can take on a #1's workload and be fine. I have serious doubts about his ability to do that until he can prove otherwise.

At least in MAF you have experience to mentor Wallstedt...Gus has very little of that.

 

[57special]

My point is that Gus is no more of a "bullet in the goalie gun" than Wallstedt. Dude has 52 games under him and we are acting like he can take on a #1's workload and be fine. I have serious doubts about his ability to do that until he can prove otherwise.

At least in MAF you have experience to mentor Wallstedt...Gus has very little of that.

I think the whole mentoring thing is way overrated. Your goalie coach is much more important. There is also the likelihood that Wallstedt has far more in common with a countryman who is 5 years older than a French Canadian guy who is a generation older , and in a different place in life.

Now that I’ve argued against my earlier posts, but original point still stands. Sell when your player is at an all time high value, but only if you can get a great, or potentially great piece who’s value is at an all time low. I’m not saying you do it, but you at least listen to what people have to say, and make inquiries. LAK have to be very worried that Byfield seems to be following Turcotte’s development path, and might be wondering if they should cut their losses. I am close to 100% sure that they would trade Turcotte and some other prospect for Gus, but no way do I do that. Turcotte’s lack of development is troubling. He seems like a poster child for someone who should’ve stayed longer in college.

 

[Wabit]

There are a few playoff teams that are desperate for goalies. As much as I love Gus, we do have Wallstedt playing really well in the AHL, and Fleury signed for one more year. Gus or not, I don’t see us being Cup contenders next year.

What would LAK or EDM pay for Gus at the TDL? What would be enough for you? I think the Eastern teams of note are all set.

Would you trade Gus for an unimpressive ( so far) Byfield? Holloway and a 1st? I’m a big goalie guy, so I don’t think I would, but the thought that Byfield could be the next Tage Thompson has crossed my mind.

A 2nd is about all you'll get for Gus. Goalies don't carry a lot of trade value in general. Young, unproven goalies are not what a Playoff team is looking for at the TDL. Playoff teams are going to be looking for the proven Playoff goalies.

There have been so many flash in the pan goalies that it's too much of a risk to spend high value assets on them until they've established themselves. It's the same reason I'm loath to draft a goalie in the 1st. I was okay with Wallstedt because MN had another 1st that draft so there was some room to gamble.

 

[57special]

A 2nd is about all you'll get for Gus. Goalies don't carry a lot of trade value in general. Young, unproven goalies are not what a Playoff team is looking for at the TDL. Playoff teams are going to be looking for the proven Playoff goalies.

There have been so many flash in the pan goalies that it's too much of a risk to spend high value assets on them until they've established themselves. It's the same reason I'm loath to draft a goalie in the 1st. I was okay with Wallstedt because MN had another 1st that draft so there was some room to gamble.

I strongly diasagree. A 2nd is nothing, and Gus has just about every positive side issue you can have, except a long track record, butnthat’s what you get with young goalies.
He’s young, very cheap, has team control, and we are willing to take on expiring cap in order to make the deal. Zero “crazy goalie” character issues. Remember, he is not playing like an average starter. He is putting up the second best numbers in the league among 50 odd goalies. To a team having a strong lineup, but lacking in the crease, he would be a wet dream, and not just for this year, but the foreseeable future.

 

[Spurgeon]

A 2nd is about all you'll get for Gus. Goalies don't carry a lot of trade value in general. Young, unproven goalies are not what a Playoff team is looking for at the TDL. Playoff teams are going to be looking for the proven Playoff goalies.

There have been so many flash in the pan goalies that it's too much of a risk to spend high value assets on them until they've established themselves. It's the same reason I'm loath to draft a goalie in the 1st. I was okay with Wallstedt because MN had another 1st that draft so there was some room to gamble.

Maybe they should though. Maybe the reason these goalies get so hot for a season is because they haven’t had time to get enough film on them to identify their weaknesses at the NHL level. Momentum and mindset seems to be a much larger part of a goalie’s game than anything too.

Guys like Binnington come to mind. That dude was lights out in their Cup run & then has just been mediocre since.

 

[Digitalbooya]

I strongly diasagree. A 2nd is nothing, and Gus has just about every positive side issue you can have, except a long track record, butnthat’s what you get with young goalies.
He’s young, very cheap, has team control, and we are willing to take on expiring cap in order to make the deal. Zero “crazy goalie” character issues. Remember, he is not playing like an average starter. He is putting up the second best numbers in the league among 50 odd goalies. To a team having a strong lineup, but lacking in the crease, he would be a wet dream, and not just for this year, but the foreseeable future.

One could argue Minnesota’s team defense makes a goalie look good. We are 2nd in the league for HDCA/60 and 4th in the league for HDSA/60.

 

[57special]

One could argue Minnesota’s team defense makes a goalie look good. We are 2nd in the league for HDCA/60 and 4th in the league for HDSA/60.

So, let’s take advantage of that fact and sucker some team into believing that it’s all about Gus. Makes you wonder about MAF, and just how bad he is.

I’m not saying trade him. I am saying it doesn’t hurt to see what you can get for him. I would say the same thing for JEE, who is having a really good season, and has a great contract. I mean, would a team trade Bedard for JEE and Gus? Probably not, but you can ask. How about JEE, Rossi, and Gus? Again , doesn’t hurt to ask.

 

[Spurgeon]

One could argue Minnesota’s team defense makes a goalie look good. We are 2nd in the league for HDCA/60 and 4th in the league for HDSA/60.

I’m starting to believe those numbers are heavily influenced by who is actually scoring the games. There’s just no way this team has been one of the statistically best in xGA season to season. Russo has panned the official in charge of shot counting at the Xcel as being pretty conservative in their shot assessments.

Aside from last season, there is a pretty large discrepancy in their xGA when at home versus on the road (looking at 5v5 numbers).

Edit: Nevermind, aside from 2020/2021, they seem to consistently be rated as one of the best, regardless of Home/Away.

 

[Minnewildsota]

So, let’s take advantage of that fact and sucker some team into believing that it’s all about Gus. Makes you wonder about MAF, and just how bad he is.

I’m not saying trade him. I am saying it doesn’t hurt to see what you can get for him. I would say the same thing for JEE, who is having a really good season, and has a great contract. I mean, would a team trade Bedard for JEE and Gus? Probably not, but you can ask. How about JEE, Rossi, and Gus? Again , doesn’t hurt to ask.

See. I thought you meant we should be actively trying to trade him. If you want to answer calls to field interest to see if someone gives you a godfather deal, I’m down for that.

I guess I wouldn’t be calling teams to see what they would give, more like “Gus could be made available for the right price” message sent out

 

[Digitalbooya]

So, let’s take advantage of that fact and sucker some team into believing that it’s all about Gus. Makes you wonder about MAF, and just how bad he is.

I’m not saying trade him. I am saying it doesn’t hurt to see what you can get for him. I would say the same thing for JEE, who is having a really good season, and has a great contract. I mean, would a team trade Bedard for JEE and Gus? Probably not, but you can ask. How about JEE, Rossi, and Gus? Again , doesn’t hurt to ask.

I don’t think the team with Bedard would trade him for Kaprizov.

I’m not exactly sure what Gus would get. But I feel like it’s pretty safe to assume that Kings fans wouldn’t touch Byfield for him and Edmonton has their goalie duo locked up for the next 3 years. Not sure why they would pay two 1sts worth for Gus unless we take Campbell back (that’s a no for us).

 

[Digitalbooya]

I’m starting to believe those numbers are heavily influenced by who is actually scoring the games. There’s just no way this team has been one of the statistically best in xGA season to season. Russo has panned the official in charge of shot counting at the Xcel as being pretty conservative in their shot assessments.

Aside from last season, there is a pretty large discrepancy in their xGA when at home versus on the road (looking at 5v5 numbers).

Edit: Nevermind, aside from 2020/2021, they seem to consistently be rated as one of the best, regardless of Home/Away.

This team has always been good at defense and limiting chances. Last year they played way too loose because they could get away with it. This year, idk maybe I don’t pay close enough attention, I don’t feel like they give a ton of chances up. Usually they come from MAF kicking a huge rebound out.

 

[Wabit]

I mean, would a team trade Bedard for JEE and Gus? Probably not, but you can ask. How about JEE, Rossi, and Gus? Again , doesn’t hurt to ask.

No they wouldn't.

Maybe they should though. Maybe the reason these goalies get so hot for a season is because they haven’t had time to get enough film on them to identify their weaknesses at the NHL level. Momentum and mindset seems to be a much larger part of a goalie’s game than anything too.

Guys like Binnington come to mind. That dude was lights out in their Cup run & then has just been mediocre since.

Hammond, Murray, and Binnington were all lights out for a season or so and look what happened after that. Gaolies are streaky by nature. We saw the same thing with Kahk the last year. Talbot went on his hot streaks too.

The team systems also do a lot to prop up the goalies (Dub for a couple years) numbers. Once you start looking at the goalie advanced stats (I'm meh on them tbh, but it is a point of reference) he's good, but nothing special.

 

[Digitalbooya]

If you could do:

MAF for a 3rd
Greenway+3rd for Boeser

Would you do it?

 

[AKL]

If you could do:

MAF for a 3rd

Yes

Greenway+3rd for Boeser

Would you do it?

No

 

[Digitalbooya]

Yes


No

Is the no for cap related reasons or Boeser related reasons?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

If you could do:

MAF for a 3rd
Greenway+3rd for Boeser

Would you do it?

With ~$1M retainage on Boeser, yes.

 

[Digitalbooya]

With ~$1M retainage on Boeser, yes.

If Vancouver came back and said it would need to be Greenway+2nd for that, would that be a deal breaker?

 

[AKL]

Is the no for cap related reasons or Boeser related reasons?

Yes and no. I haven't run the numbers lately but I don't see how you fit his cap without making major changes, and I don't think doing all that makes us a better team when it's all said and done. And I don't see the point in all that shuffling to not even be better off for it.

After that, Boeser has like two years on his contract? And I definitely don't want to give him an extension cause he's not the type of guy who will age well at all. So at that point it's a two year rental, and the best you're hoping for is to be able to trade him again at some point for something else.

It just seems like an entirely lateral move that doesn't really do anything for us except make the games slightly more exciting again (for the 60 games he's actually healthy). Doesn't really improve our chances during the dead cap, doesn't bring us futures to help us after the dead cap, and he's not a player we should attach ourselves to long term.

 

[Wabit]

I’m starting to believe those numbers are heavily influenced by who is actually scoring the games. There’s just no way this team has been one of the statistically best in xGA season to season. Russo has panned the official in charge of shot counting at the Xcel as being pretty conservative in their shot assessments.

Aside from last season, there is a pretty large discrepancy in their xGA when at home versus on the road (looking at 5v5 numbers).

Edit: Nevermind, aside from 2020/2021, they seem to consistently be rated as one of the best, regardless of Home/Away.

I think the shot totals are pretty accurate from the X. SC are a more relevant stat than shots now anyways. I watch a lot of the other teams' feeds (it's more enjoyable than anyone but Carter in the booth for MN) and the booth comments a lot about the lack of shots, and it doesn't matter if it's home or away. The games are kept along the walls and to the outside a lot. I also hear a lot of this is like Playoff hockey: play conservative, grind it out, and wait for the other team to make a mistake.

MN is just once again a low impact team (unlike last year). It's among the leaders in d-zone stats and among the bottom in o-zone stats. This year's team mirrors the Yeo years in a lot of the adv stats categories.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

If Vancouver came back and said it would need to be Greenway+2nd for that, would that be a deal breaker?

I don't think that the 2nd would be a deal breaker, but that also might depend on what we get for Dumba, if anything. If we don't sell him off this year, it's probably 50/50 but I think I'd still do it.

Boeser at $5.65M and no Fleury, the cap works.