Speculation: Trade and Free Agency Talk - 2022-23 Edition - Postseason Success can't be a Myth!

[Digitalbooya]

Russo: When you have a player who makes Kaprizov look as good as he does

Russo is such a kiss ass for saying this. Zuccarello, career high 61 points prior to Minnesota, magically turns into a point per game player in his twilight years and is apparently the reason Kaprizov looks so good.

 

[Webster]

What would you think his min would be stay?

3-4, never been the most important thing to him.

Russo is such a kiss ass for saying this. Zuccarello, career high 61 points prior to Minnesota, magically turns into a point per game player in his twilight years and is apparently the reason Kaprizov looks so good.

Zucc also played very well for the Stars, with Benn and Seguin. All players need skilled linemates to have success...

 

[Digitalbooya]

3-4, never been the most important thing to him.


Zucc also played very well for the Stars, with Benn and Seguin. All players need skilled linemates to have success...

There’s no doubt that Zucc is a good player. I just take issue with the phrasing that Zucc makes Kaprizov looks so good. I would say the same thing if it was Boldy in place of Zucc too.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

It's obviously pandering, but ultimately harmless.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Russo clarified in his podcast, if MAF were to retire then we would get cap space.

 

[AKL]

Russo clarified in his podcast, if MAF were to retire then we would get cap space.

It's nice to see Russo follows my posts on here

 

[f7ben]

If it doesn’t look like Larkin is going to sign and Detroit decides to shop him would you offer. Rossi , 2024 1st , Greenway and a 2023 3rd or B prospect? That’s with Larkin agreeing to 8x9million. I would do it and move whatever players we need to to make it fit. Likely Goli and Fluery

 

[Wabit]

If it doesn’t look like Larkin is going to sign and Detroit decides to shop him would you offer. Rossi , 2024 1st , Greenway and a 2023 3rd or B prospect? That’s with Larkin agreeing to 8x9million. I would do it and move whatever players we need to to make it fit. Likely Goli and Fluery

Pretty much anything not Wallstedt, Boldy, JEE, or Kap would be on the table if the re-singing is part of the deal.

Looking at the Horvat trade (I think Larkin is better) it would be top-12 protected 2023 1st + Rossi/Yurov + Addison/Greenway.

 

[Digitalbooya]

If it doesn’t look like Larkin is going to sign and Detroit decides to shop him would you offer. Rossi , 2024 1st , Greenway and a 2023 3rd or B prospect? That’s with Larkin agreeing to 8x9million. I would do it and move whatever players we need to to make it fit. Likely Goli and Fluery

Leaves $8.787M to sign 10 players. If you QO both Addison and Gus but don’t offer contracts (not recommended) then it might be possible. Otherwise you’ve still go to trade some form of cap to make it happen and really hope the AHL replacement is good enough (Foligno->Walker, Middleton->O’Rourke, Merrill->Hunt, etc).

Pretty much anything not Wallstedt, Boldy, JEE, or Kap would be on the table if the re-singing is part of the deal.

Looking at the Horvat trade (I think Larkin is better) it would be top-12 protected 2023 1st + Rossi/Yurov + Addison/Greenway.

2023 1st + Yurov would likely backfire hard in 3 years.

 

[f7ben]

Leaves $8.787M to sign 10 players. If you QO both Addison and Gus but don’t offer contracts (not recommended) then it might be possible. Otherwise you’ve still go to trade some form of cap to make it happen and really hope the AHL replacement is good enough (Foligno->Walker, Middleton->O’Rourke, Merrill->Hunt, etc).


2023 1st + Yurov would likely backfire hard in 3 years.

I think Larkin is that good and he fits our core age group then with Kap , Ek , Boldy etc. I’d do whatever I had to to make it work including dumping Fluery and Gus and giving the reins to Wallstedt

 

[57special]

If it doesn’t look like Larkin is going to sign and Detroit decides to shop him would you offer. Rossi , 2024 1st , Greenway and a 2023 3rd or B prospect? That’s with Larkin agreeing to 8x9million. I would do it and move whatever players we need to to make it fit. Likely Goli and Fluery

If we can’t sign Fiala for less, then how can we sign Larkin?

 

[Wabit]

Leaves $8.787M to sign 10 players. If you QO both Addison and Gus but don’t offer contracts (not recommended) then it might be possible. Otherwise you’ve still go to trade some form of cap to make it happen and really hope the AHL replacement is good enough (Foligno->Walker, Middleton->O’Rourke, Merrill->Hunt, etc).


2023 1st + Yurov would likely backfire hard in 3 years.

You make the cap work for Larkin.

It might backfire, it might not in 3 years. MN would still have Boldy, JEE, and Larkin, maybe better chance at re-signing Kap too. The d-corps prospect pool is deep so that shouldn't be an issue. The goalies should be good.

The team would/should be lacking a 1D, a top-6 winger, and maybe a 3C.

I'd also get a new coach for the team. I don't see Evason meshing with a Kap/Larkin/Zucc, Boldy/JEE/ (skill player) top-6.

 

[57special]

Pretty much anything not Wallstedt, Boldy, JEE, or Kap would be on the table if the re-singing is part of the deal.

Looking at the Horvat trade (I think Larkin is better) it would be top-12 protected 2023 1st + Rossi/Yurov + Addison/Greenway.

I think he has a bit more value than Fiala. I’d say a top 5 protected 1st, Rossi/Yurov,+Addison + Greenway. I know DRW have a ton of D prospects, so,Addison might not appeal, which is fine with me. We might have to throw in a guy like Beckman, though come to think of it, that’s a hell of a lot for a rental. Larkin isn’t that good.

His speed would be nice on that 1st line, though.

 

[AKL]

I'm struggling to see how we made the jump from Raty to Yurov/Rossi and are still adding on top of that

 

[Wasted Talent]

I think he has a bit more value than Fiala. I’d say a top 5 protected 1st, Rossi/Yurov,+Addison + Greenway. I know DRW have a ton of D prospects, so,Addison might not appeal, which is fine with me. We might have to throw in a guy like Beckman, though come to think of it, that’s a hell of a lot for a rental. Larkin isn’t that good.

His speed would be nice on that 1st line, though.

Fiala was an RFA though

 

[keppel146]

These offers seem steep for Larkin. 3 firsts…really? I’d pass for a guy who turns 27 next year.

 

[Wabit]

I'm struggling to see how we made the jump from Raty to Yurov/Rossi and are still adding on top of that

I'd take Raty 1 for 1 Rossi, so where the confusion?

 

[Digitalbooya]

You make the cap work for Larkin.

It might backfire, it might not in 3 years. MN would still have Boldy, JEE, and Larkin, maybe better chance at re-signing Kap too. The d-corps prospect pool is deep so that shouldn't be an issue. The goalies should be good.

The team would/should be lacking a 1D, a top-6 winger, and maybe a 3C.

I'd also get a new coach for the team. I don't see Evason meshing with a Kap/Larkin/Zucc, Boldy/JEE/ (skill player) top-6.

I just don’t like the idea of trading Yurov and a 1st in a loaded draft when we could theoretically sign Larkin this summer if he really wanted to play for us. You make the cap dump trades if he does sign.

Here’s how you make it work:
Out: Foligno, Goligoski, Greenway, Fleury, Addison, Merrill
In: Larkin, Beckman, Rossi, Walker, O’Rourke, Wallstedt, Faber, Holl (2x$1M)

Kap-Larkin-Zucc
Boldy-Ek-Hartman
Beckman-Rossi-Walker
Shaw-Dewar-Duhaime

Middleton-Spurgeon
Brodin-Faber/Holl
O’Rourke-Holl/Faber

Gus
Wallstedt

That leaves $2.8M to sign 3 players for a full roster. I have the entire bottom 6 costing less than Boldy’s cap hit. Holl is a stop gap UFA till we get Spacek ready.

Also, Iowa is devastated. Good thing we have a bunch of reserve list players that we can sign to play there! Spacek, Lambos, Yurov, Warren, Peart, Nesterenko, Bankier, etc.

 

[AKL]

I'd take Raty 1 for 1 Rossi, so where the confusion?

I know you would, that doesn't mean anyone else would

 

[Wabit]

I just don’t like the idea of trading Yurov and a 1st in a loaded draft when we could theoretically sign Larkin this summer if he really wanted to play for us. You make the cap dump trades if he does sign.

Here’s how you make it work:
Out: Foligno, Goligoski, Greenway, Fleury, Addison, Merrill
In: Larkin, Beckman, Rossi, Walker, O’Rourke, Wallstedt, Faber, Holl (2x$1M)

Kap-Larkin-Zucc
Boldy-Ek-Hartman
Beckman-Rossi-Walker
Shaw-Dewar-Duhaime

Middleton-Spurgeon
Brodin-Faber/Holl
O’Rourke-Holl/Faber

Gus
Wallstedt

That leaves $2.8M to sign 3 players for a full roster. I have the entire bottom 6 costing less than Boldy’s cap hit. Holl is a stop gap UFA till we get Spacek ready.

Also, Iowa is devastated. Good thing we have a bunch of reserve list players that we can sign to play there! Spacek, Lambos, Yurov, Warren, Peart, Nesterenko, Bankier, etc.

I don't think MN can get Larkin as a UFA (some team probably offers him a stupid amount of money). If they can get him in trade and sign is the only way I do it. I'm not giving the stuff up for a rental of Larkin.

It'll give Kap/Larkin/Zucc to build some chemistry before next season too. It's also a chance for Larkin to learn the team's systems (as much as I want it Evason isn't going anywhere). It also prevents the GM from giving Freddy G a stupid deal that closes the door from even having a chance at Larkin in the offseason.

Almost every year is a loaded draft class, according to the experts, so it really means nothing to me. The very top is probably better than most years, but after like 5 it's just business as usual.

 

[Digitalbooya]

I don't think MN can get Larkin as a UFA (some team probably offers him a stupid amount of money). If they can get him in trade and sign is the only way I do it. I'm not giving the stuff up for a rental of Larkin.

It'll give Kap/Larkin/Zucc to build some chemistry before next season too. It's also a chance for Larkin to learn the team's systems (as much as I want it Evason isn't going anywhere). It also prevents the GM from giving Freddy G a stupid deal that closes the door from even having a chance at Larkin in the offseason.

Almost every year is a loaded draft class, according to the experts, so it really means nothing to me. The very top is probably better than most years, but after like 5 it's just business as usual.

I’m good with the route that doesn’t take an axe to the elite part of our prospect pool. If he won’t sign here as a free agent, why would he sign here after a trade?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I’m good with the route that doesn’t take an axe to the elite part of our prospect pool. If he won’t sign here as a free agent, why would he sign here after a trade?

Depends on what the negotiating numbers currently are. If Larkin is wanting $9M and Yzerman isn't going higher than $8M, then $9M x 8 is likely going to be better than anything he'll get in UFA, where they can only offer 7 years.

$72M over 7 years is ~$10.3M per year which is what he'd have to be offered to match it in a total dollar sense.

It would really just be leaning on the 8th year and the opportunity to play with Kaprizov (at least for the time being).

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

If we can’t sign Fiala for less, then how can we sign Larkin?

By doing actual maneuvering, which they didn't feel was necessary for Fiala.

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

Kind of surprised their isn’t more demand for Kane, I thought Fiala gang would be all over it since they are pretty much the same kind of player, but Kane actually has playoff success. He wouldn’t have the long term impact since we couldn’t sign him, but he also wouldn’t cost us Faber and a first. If this team missing Fiala is the problem as so many imply, then adding Kane sounds like an even better way to solve our offensive woes for this season.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Kind of surprised their isn’t more demand for Kane, I thought Fiala gang would be all over it since they are pretty much the same kind of player, but Kane actually has playoff success. He wouldn’t have the long term impact since we couldn’t sign him, but he also wouldn’t cost us Faber and a first. If this team missing Fiala is the problem as so many imply, then adding Kane sounds like an even better way to solve our offensive woes for this season.

He might.