Speculation: Trade and Free Agency Talk - 2022-23 Edition - Postseason Success can't be a Myth!

[thestonedkoala]

What are you two on about? Russo wrote an article about potential trade deadline fits AND the Wild have been linked to Kane by a source other than Russo. We CAN afford Kane’s current contract. We CAN trade for him since we have the pieces. We absolutely cannot sign Kane to a high priced extension.

Edit: and we absolutely shouldn’t trade for Kane either. We don’t need to be the one’s jumpstarting Chicago’s rebuild

I am just saying in general Russo has been getting bad.

 

[Jesus comma Brodin]

Remember when Kyle Dubas paid a 1st and two 4th for his brother? Marcus would actually help the Leaves this season.

You'd think GM's would learn from nonsense like that trade. At the time, Nick was > .5 ppg career player, and Marcus is a career .36 ppg player whose got another year @ $3.1M and is in a clear decline.

Again, I still don't see a team that would add an extra year @ $3.1M for a 3rd line winger whose quite frankly having a bad year. Especially for a first. Not everyone pays a premium for "culture" guys like our fearless leadership.

 

[Minnewildsota]

You'd think GM's would learn from nonsense like that trade. At the time, Nick was > .5 ppg career player, and Marcus is a career .36 ppg player whose got another year @ $3.1M and is in a clear decline.

Again, I still don't see a team that would add an extra year @ $3.1M for a 3rd line winger whose quite frankly having a bad year. Especially for a first. Not everyone pays a premium for "culture" guys like our fearless leadership.

I don't recall GMBG paying a premium for him. Sure, he signed him for that amount, but that seems to be the going rate for a player like Foligno.

But that doesn't push the narrative that GMBG is an imbecile so there's that.

 

[Wasted Talent]

Makes perfect sense. Kap isn't gonna wanna resign here. Seems alot of players dont wanna sign here. To much state tax for starters.

You explained why the trade makes sense for us, not the other party.

If you think Wild have issues with contending before Kaprizov's contract ends, do you think lottery teams wouldn't face the exact same issue?

 

[P10p]

Love how managers get hate for trying to build a cohesive team. People mocking things like "culture" and "identity" are the types of people you would never want to work with.

 

[roon]

Gee willikers batman, you mean to tell me that we can’t discuss a player that the team has been linked to!?

Kane was linked to Minnesota BEFORE Russo’s article. That happened literally over this past weekend. Russo’s article didn’t come out until less than 10 hours ago.

Did you even read the article? He lists EVERY player that could be a fit in that article. Kane, Duclair, Boeser, Bertuzzi, Barbashev, JVR, ROR, Toews, Acciari, Monahan, Domi, and Schenn.

Hardly insightful to say this team could definitely use any of the above players.

I guess we can’t discuss them either or you’ll throw a hissy fit about how Russo sucks and Wild fans just mindlessly follow his word?

The point stands that Kane didn't come up save for maybe 1 post until this article came out.

So my original point of "this board lives and dies by Russo" stands.

It would stand to reason that if the teams most connected beat writer writes an article linking us to a player, we're gonna talk about that player, and whether we want to get that player or not. I don't see the problem here.

I originally said that this board lives and dies by Russo's articles and rumors....Digitalbooya seemed to take offense to that suggestion....


I don't have an issue with people discussing Russo's articles....I believe my original comment was in response to someone asking about all the Kane talk. I simply pointed out that Russo suggested it was an option...so now magically people are discussing and rationalizing it.

 

[Digitalbooya]

The point stands that Kane didn't come up save for maybe 1 post until this article came out.

So my original point of "this board lives and dies by Russo" stands.



I originally said that this board lives and dies by Russo's articles and rumors....Digitalbooya seemed to take offense to that suggestion....


I don't have an issue with people discussing Russo's articles....I believe my original comment was in response to someone asking about all the Kane talk. I simply pointed out that Russo suggested it was an option...so now magically people are discussing and rationalizing it.

You can’t even get who brought up the conversation right. Another team’s fan brought up that there has been a ton of scouting between Minnesota and Chicago and asked what we thought the Wild were looking for. That sparked a “I’m worried it’s Kane” and me saying that Lazerus confirmed that over this past weekend

I didn’t take offense to anything. I’m merely pointing out that you are wrong.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Foligno for a 1st. Greenway for a 2nd. Trade that 1st and 2nd and Peart for Kane.

Kaprizov-nobody-Zucc
Boldy-Freddy-Kane
Hartman-Ek-Walker

Have a fun month or so, then lose in the first round.

Or:

Foligno for a 1st. Then, that 1st + our 1st to move into the top 10.

I don't recall GMBG paying a premium for him. Sure, he signed him for that amount, but that seems to be the going rate for a player like Foligno.

But that doesn't push the narrative that GMBG is an imbecile so there's that.

A 5th round pick is a "premium" for what Reaves brings. Not a huge premium, but it's there.

 

[Wabit]

Kane is someone I don't think many on here even thought was an option before the Russo article. I think Kane (any wing really) is a pipe dream, and without a 2nd trade to get a center is rather pointless.

To play along (without a player going back):
Kap/JEE/Zucc
Boldy/Hartman/Kane (Hartman has been on a line with Kane before)
Foligno/Freddy G/Greenway
Duhaime/Dewar/Shaw (Reaves)

 

[Digitalbooya]

Kane is someone I don't think many on here even thought was an option before the Russo article. I think Kane (any wing really) is a pipe dream, and without a 2nd trade to get a center is rather pointless.

To play along (without a player going back):
Kap/JEE/Zucc
Boldy/Hartman/Kane (Hartman has been on a line with Kane before)
Foligno/Freddy G/Greenway
Duhaime/Dewar/Shaw (Reaves)

Dean is allergic to putting Ek on the 1st line.

 

[DeagleJenkins]

Dean is allergic to putting Ek on the 1st line.

he tried it once so he can always come back to that and say it didnt work!

 

[Wabit]

Dean is allergic to putting Ek on the 1st line.

I know, but they are out of plugs that can keep failing upward into the 1C spot. Plus the GREEF line has been bad at both ends of the ice this year.

He could keep Hartman there as the Kap center and JEE as the Boldy/Kane center, but the Kap/Hartman/Zucc magic is gone too.

 

[AKL]

Henry Thrun

I know, but they are out of plugs that can keep failing upward into the 1C spot. Plus the GREEF line has been bad at both ends of the ice this year.

He could keep Hartman there as the Kap center and JEE as the Boldy/Kane center, but the Kap/Hartman/Zucc magic is gone too.

At this point if Ek is finally moving into the top six, I'm keeping him with Boldy. I'd rather have two good players on each line than three on the top and only Boldy on the second.

 

[Minnewildsota]

Hey, so there's been a TON of scouting between Chicago and Minnesota as of late.

Who do you think Minnesota is targeting, and who on the roster is available for trade?

I’m getting increasingly worried that it’s Kane…

There you go

 

[Wabit]

At this point if Ek is finally moving into the top six, I'm keeping him with Boldy. I'd rather have two good players on each line than three on the top and only Boldy on the second.

Kane would be with Boldy in this trade lineup situation so 5 of 6 top-6 FWD spots are actually filled.

 

[Sota Popinski]

What am I on about? NOBODY was talking about Kane in this thread prior to Russo's article.

Russo says it and then everyone starts trying to justify how or why it could/should/whatever happen.

Kane is just one example - without fail if a Russo trade article pops up on my athletic feed I can come here and see at least 4 people talking about how its a good idea when they had zero thoughts on the subject prior.

If you went back ONE page in this thread you would see people posting about Kane.

Great call, derpstar.

 

[AKL]

Kane would be with Boldy in this trade lineup situation so 5 of 6 top-6 FWD spots are actually filled.

Oh yeah, that would be fine then. But if we're not trading for Kane (I think we aren't), keep Ek with Boldy.

 

[Wabit]

Oh yeah, that would be fine then. But if we're not trading for Kane (I think we aren't), keep Ek with Boldy.

I agree about Kane, but I wanted to play too.

I'm fine with Boldy/JEE together. They do need someone better than Duhaime as the other winger though.

 

[DeagleJenkins]

I agree about Kane, but I wanted to play too.

I'm fine with Boldy/JEE together. They do need someone better than Duhaime as the other winger though.

Walker slides in nicely on that line.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

I am sort of dumbfounded on who in their right minds would pay a first for Foligno.

I really think somebody would. Forsure would’ve last year. This year idk.

Or:

Foligno for a 1st. Then, that 1st + our 1st to move into the top 10.


A 5th round pick is a "premium" for what Reaves brings. Not a huge premium, but it's there.

I’d much prefer that

 

[Wabit]

Walker slides in nicely on that line.

I think Walker makes a roster push in the preseason if he adds some mass. The AHL is a good spot for him this season. The amount of games in the pros compared (70+) to college (35-40) in a season sees a lot of guys coming from the college ranks wear down as the season progresses.

 

[Jesus comma Brodin]

I don't recall GMBG paying a premium for him. Sure, he signed him for that amount, but that seems to be the going rate for a player like Foligno.

But that doesn't push the narrative that GMBG is an imbecile so there's that.

I never said he paid a premium for him? But he has paid absurdly high prices for bullshit players like Reaves, Deslauries, and Fleury. It always goes back to the same f***ing nonsense, “they bring a lot to the room”

We’ve given up a 2nd, 3rd, and a 5th for those three alone, none of which provided a positive f***ing anything. But please, tell me I’m the one pushing a “narrative” when we’re worse at every position on the ice since our fearless GM has taken over

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

There's a "Fire Bednar" thread on page 1 of the Avs board right now, if people think that we're somehow unique and unreasonable with our criticisms of our coach and/or GM.

 

[Jesus comma Brodin]

I really think somebody would. Forsure would’ve last year. This year idk.

He doubled his career high in points last year at the age of 30, but yeah someone would have forked over better assets mid year based on that. This year, he’s fallen back to what he actually is. A defensively responsible bottom 6er that would be a 4th liner on an actual contending cup team. Smart GMs don’t pay firsts for that, especially when he’s got another year north of $3M

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

He doubled his career high in points last year at the age of 30, but yeah someone would have forked over better assets mid year based on that. This year, he’s fallen back to what he actually is. A defensively responsible bottom 6er that would be a 4th liner on an actual contending cup team. Smart GMs don’t pay firsts for that, especially when he’s got another year north of $3M

Not all GMs are smart. Nick Foligno got a first even though he was much older, less physical, and producing less. GMs drool voer guys like Foligno, when they’re producing as well.