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Dumba to Seattle for 2nd + conditional 3rd

Greenway to somewhere for something, roster player swap or 2nd/3rd round picks(s)

Fleury + 4th to LA for Copley + 3rd

These would be my TDL hopes. I'm not expecting a full teardown with guys like Foligno, Hartman, Middleton.
 
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Dumba to Seattle for 2nd + conditional 3rd

Greenway to somewhere for something, roster player swap or 2nd/3rd round picks(s)

Fleury + 4th to LA for Copley + 3rd

These would be my TDL hopes. I'm not expecting a full teardown with guys like Foligno, Hartman, Middleton.
I just don't see Fleury being moved. Would it be the smart move? Probably.

EDIT: As I'm thinking about it. Say you move Fleury. Who is your starter next year? Gus?
How long do you sign Gus for? If you're expectation that Wallstedt will be ready in the next 1-3 years.
 

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I just don't see Fleury being moved. Would it be the smart move? Probably.

EDIT: As I'm thinking about it. Say you move Fleury. Who is your starter next year? Gus?
How long do you sign Gus for? If you're expectation that Wallstedt will be ready in the next 1-3 years.
Gus for 2 x $2.5ish still. Maybe $3 since Fleury being gone opens up some more room. Maybe 3 years if the $'s can stay reasonable.

If Wallstedt isn't ready to go as an NHL backup/1B yet, go find a placeholder for $1-2 million.
 

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Gus for 2 x $2.5ish still. Maybe $3 since Fleury being gone opens up some more room. Maybe 3 years if the $'s can stay reasonable.

If Wallstedt isn't ready to go as an NHL backup/1B yet, go find a placeholder for $1-2 million.
I just wonder if he'll accept that much, given the numbers he's put up (this year, and the year before last). Definitely not saying he'll be looking for north of 5, but maybe 3-3.5?

I'll admit I'm obtuse to the goalie market and demands atm.
 

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I just wonder if he'll accept that much, given the numbers he's put up (this year, and the year before last). Definitely not saying he'll be looking for north of 5, but maybe 3-3.5?

I'll admit I'm obtuse to the goalie market and demands atm.
Yeah, I don't really know either.

Oettinger got 3 x $4M to be the starter in Dallas, and right now Gus's numbers are better, though he'll most likely end up with much fewer games played. And I think Oettinger got a lot of that due to the playoff round as well.

I think it will be somewhere in the ballpark of 2-3 years and $2.5M to $3.5M per year but it's just a wild ass guess.
 

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If you're Guerin, there's only one path to go after watching tonight. Sell.

Greenway -> 3rd
Reaves -> 5th
Goligoski ->4th
Dumba+Foligno -> Mittelstadt+2nd
Hartman -> Boston 1st+3rd+C. Smith
 
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If you're Guerin, there's only one path to go after watching tonight. Sell.

Greenway -> 3rd
Reaves -> 5th
Goligoski ->4th
Dumba+Foligno -> Mittelstadt+2nd
Hartman -> Boston 1st+3rd+C. Smith

I'm starting to shop Zuccarello too. Not saying he goes, but I'm definitely seeing what teams would give for him.
 

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I'm starting to shop Zuccarello too. Not saying he goes, but I'm definitely seeing what teams would give for him.
I'm game for that. Could get a 1st+ from a contender for him. Maybe Lafreniere+ if we eat 50% of Zucc's cap hit?

I mentioned this in the GDT, we need to reshape our defense to be capable of contributing offense at 5v5. Dumba, Middleton, Merrill, Brodin, and Addison are nothing burgers in the offensive zone at 5v5. I think we need to pick two of those guys to keep, preferably Brodin and Addison/Middleton, and then trade the rest.
 

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If you're Guerin, there's only one path to go after watching tonight. Sell.

Greenway -> 3rd
Reaves -> 5th
Goligoski ->4th
Dumba+Foligno -> Mittelstadt+2nd
Hartman -> Boston 1st+3rd+C. Smith
Give it to the end of the homestand. Not only to see if the players can figure things out, but to see how Evason adjusts. If this continues then ship guys out and start creating a coaching interview list.
 

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I'm game for that. Could get a 1st+ from a contender for him. Maybe Lafreniere+ if we eat 50% of Zucc's cap hit?

I mentioned this in the GDT, we need to reshape our defense to be capable of contributing offense at 5v5. Dumba, Middleton, Merrill, Brodin, and Addison are nothing burgers in the offensive zone at 5v5. I think we need to pick two of those guys to keep, preferably Brodin and Addison/Middleton, and then trade the rest.
None of the defensemen coming through fills me with a lot of hope that they will be able to contribute offensively.
 

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Hartman should definitely be on the block if he can fetch a 1st
Anyone that can get a 1st on the NHL roster should be on the block. Boldy, Gus, and JEE are possible exceptions.

They just don't have the cap space, current talent, or prospects to make a difference in the next 2+ seasons.

The locker room can't be the problem after all the "fixing" that has been done to it under the current GM.
 

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None of the defensemen coming through fills me with a lot of hope that they will be able to contribute offensively.
Hunt has a good shot. Lambos and Masters are offensive defensemen. Faber is plenty capable of providing offense.

All I’m looking for is some form of competency. All I see from Dumba, Brodin, Middleton, Merrill and Addison at 5v5 in the offensive zone is a deer in headlights or just ineptitude.
 

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If we trade a lot of cap away, I wouldn’t be opposed to taking one of Ottawa’s good prospects/pick for Zaitsev.
 

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Hunt has a good shot. Lambos and Masters are offensive defensemen. Faber is plenty capable of providing offense.

All I’m looking for is some form of competency. All I see from Dumba, Brodin, Middleton, Merrill and Addison at 5v5 in the offensive zone is a deer in headlights or just ineptitude.
ROR’s shot is probably better than Hunt’s, but they have 7 points in 40 odd games in the AHL. Hardly offensive.
Faber isn’t on the PP in college, and you expect him to be an offensive Dman in the NHL? Lambos didn’t make his WJC team, and Masters is having an outlier season on a loaded team. Both CHL’ers, so expecting them to carry any trait forward even into the AHL IS being overly optimistic - just look at Hunt’s and ROR’s stats in junior. Fun fact, those two were born a day apart.

The best young offensive Dman we have is Addison, but everyone around here wants to trade him because he isn’t a defensive Dman…:huh:
 
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Give it to the end of the homestand. Not only to see if the players can figure things out, but to see how Evason adjusts. If this continues then ship guys out and start creating a coaching interview list.
I am not completely blaming Evason because he has been handed a flawed deck by Guerin, but I have seen nothing from him that leads me to believe that he has any adjustments to get this team going. If he had any tricks up his sleeve, he should’ve used them in last year’s playoffs.

Maybe the “adjustment” is firing Dean and hiring Trotz?
 
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ROR’s shot is probably better than Hunt’s, but they have 7 points in 40 odd games in the AHL. Hardly offensive.
Faber isn’t on the PP in college, and you expect him to be an offensive Dman in the NHL? Lambos didn’t make his WJC team, and Masters is having an outlier season on a loaded team. Both CHL’ers, so expecting them to carry any trait forward even into the AHL IS being overly optimistic - just look at Hunt’s and ROR’s stats in junior.

The best young offensive Dman we have is Addison, but everyone around here wants to trade him because he isn’t a defensive Dman…:huh:
This is what I expect:
All I’m looking for is some form of competency. All I see from Dumba, Brodin, Middleton, Merrill and Addison at 5v5 in the offensive zone is a deer in headlights or just ineptitude.
I think out of Hunt/O’Rourke/Faber/Lambos/Peart we can find at least two dmen who are competent in the offensive zone.

Addison’s 5v5 offensive numbers are not there. You can get some slack for piss poor defense when you are out there scoring a lot of points. See: Dumba earlier in his career. Addison is neither scoring a lot 5v5 nor playing good defense. Whether we like it or not, Addison is contributing to this team’s drop in 5v5 scoring from last year to this year. Great asset for the power play. I just expect more from him.
 
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This is what I expect:

I think out of Hunt/O’Rourke/Faber/Lambos/Peart we can find at least two dmen who are competent in the offensive zone.

Addison’s 5v5 offensive numbers are not there. You can get some slack for piss poor defense when you are out there scoring a lot of points. See: Dumba earlier in his career. Addison is neither scoring a lot 5v5 nor playing good defense. Whether we like it or not, Addison is contributing to this team’s drop in 5v5 scoring from last year to this year. Great asset for the power play. I just expect more from him.

What do you consider competent? Spurgeon or Brodin?
 

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This is what I expect:

I think out of Hunt/O’Rourke/Faber/Lambos/Peart we can find at least two dmen who are competent in the offensive zone.

Addison’s 5v5 offensive numbers are not there. You can get some slack for piss poor defense when you are out there scoring a lot of points. See: Dumba earlier in his career. Addison is neither scoring a lot 5v5 nor playing good defense. Whether we like it or not, Addison is contributing to this team’s drop in 5v5 scoring from last year to this year. Great asset for the power play. I just expect more from him.
To me, the bottom line with our offense is that our middle group of forwards have been atrocious in providing it, not that our Dmen are not providing it. Addison is on pace for well over 40 points as a rookie. That’s fantastic, and borderline insane to want to move him from a team that was crying out for PP competence just last year. Dumba, at the same age, had 34 points in the entire year.

Trading Fiala, and keeping Goligoski, Greenway, Foligno, over him, as well as the failures of Rossi and Hartman this year, as well as trading for Reaves as if what this team’s problem was that we couldn’t beat heads enough…even Duhaime, who I don’t expect much from, hasn’t done a damn thing.

I mean, where is the swagger” now? I hate those damn jock cliches.

Out top end players( Zucc, Kap, Boldy, Spurgeon) are playing reasonably well. Our mid range people(too many to name) have been mediocre to terrible. Our low end people( dewar, Merrill, Shaw, Reaves, Duhaime, Steel) have been more or less as expected, for me. Not good, but I didn’t expect them to be, with the exception of Dewar.

Dean is also out of tricks. There are signs that his message is starting to fall on deaf ears.

Guerin has done next to nothing. Getting rid of Jost was great- addition by subtraction- ,but trading for Reaves was not, though it’s on Dean that he has played him non stop since he came, when it’s clear that he is too slow and untalented to be a NHL regular.
 
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What do you consider competent? Spurgeon or Brodin?
Brodin has 7 points on the year. I give him some slack because he’s so darn good at the other end of the rink.

I’m looking for players that you know the play isn’t going to die as soon as it gets to their stick. For instance, last night Kaprizov went and won a puck battle, got it to Zucc who passed it to Merrill. Merrill doesn’t have the ability to get off a quality shot so he passed it to Addison in a bad spot with a low chance of getting the shot through. Addison then proceeds to lose the puck and off the other way it goes. The choice/abilities from defender 1 put defender 2 in a bad spot and that killed the play. I fully believe O’Rourke or Hunt would have cranked a shot in that spot. Lambos would for sure.
 
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Anyone that can get a 1st on the NHL roster should be on the block. Boldy, Gus, and JEE are possible exceptions.

They just don't have the cap space, current talent, or prospects to make a difference in the next 2+ seasons.

The locker room can't be the problem after all the "fixing" that has been done to it under the current GM.
I still think Kaprizov, Boldy, JEE, Spurgeon and Brodin is a good enough core but Guerin has not surrounded them with any depth.

I’d like to see one more year before we start selling them off. I think Faber will be a big upgrade at D and bring stability that we’ve lacked since Suter & Soucy left.

Then it comes down to Rossi stepping up or Guerin finding someone else.

I don’t think we can tank and keep these guys around for the post-buyout years. They won’t be ok with that
 

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Brodin has 7 points on the year. I give him some slack because he’s so darn good at the other end of the rink.

I’m looking for players that you know the play isn’t going to die as soon as it gets to their stick. For instance, last night Kaprizov went and won a puck battle, got it to Zucc who pass it to Merrill. Merrill doesn’t have the ability to get off a quality shot so he passed it to Addison in a bad spot with a low chance of getting the shot through. Addison then proceeds to lose the puck and off the other way it goes. The choice/abilities from defender 1 put defender 2 in a bad spot and that killed the play. I fully believe O’Rourke or Hunt would have cranked a shot in that spot. Lambos would for sure.
I don’t disagree that Merrill is not a good NHL Dman, but he’s a veteran making 1.2M, or something like that. You don’t get good Dmen for that money.
ROR and Hunt hopefully will be better than Merrill sometime in the future, but right now, they are scoring less in the AHL than Merrill is in the NHL. I don’t know where you get your opinion that somehow they would be better than Merrill in the NHL right now. As for Lambos….really? As I said, he was cut from the WJC team….you want bring him into the NHL?

Trade Greenway, Hartman, possibly Gaudreau and Foligno, Reaves. Move Dumba, and Goligoski, if possible. Fleury, too. Bring up Walker, Rossi, maybe Beckman (not a big fan). Mermis, Sustr, too. Give ROR and Hunt a taste of the NHL …maybe SJo, who has been competent, if not promising in the AHL. Give Wallstedt a few NHL games, even if it’s mostly sitting on the bench, McIntyre can backup also.
This season is done. Hope BG realizes it, and acts accordingly, because the next two years are going to be even worse. It’s entirely possible….look at how poorly LAK’S vaunted prospect pool has performed. Byfield is a ghost, Turcotte is worse, Kupari meh, Clarke couldn’t get on the WJC team. Vilardi is the only guy who is looking good, and it took him 6 years…he is the same age as Sammy Walker, who played all 4 years in college.
 

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ROR’s shot is probably better than Hunt’s, but they have 7 points in 40 odd games in the AHL. Hardly offensive.
Faber isn’t on the PP in college, and you expect him to be an offensive Dman in the NHL? Lambos didn’t make his WJC team, and Masters is having an outlier season on a loaded team. Both CHL’ers, so expecting them to carry any trait forward even into the AHL IS being overly optimistic - just look at Hunt’s and ROR’s stats in junior. Fun fact, those two were born a day apart.

The best young offensive Dman we have is Addison, but everyone around here wants to trade him because he isn’t a defensive Dman…:huh:
I don’t need a ton of production form my d-men for the most part. Unless they’re going to be a PP1 guy, I want a good defensive guy, with some grit if possible, but a guy where the play doesn’t die when the puck hits their stick. They at least have to be able to think enough to move the puck up the ice and not kill things like 2 on 1.s. A guy like Middleton would be awesome if he had any skill or offensive instinct.
 
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