Speculation: Trade and Free Agency Talk - 2022-23 Edition - Postseason Success can't be a Myth!

[Minnewildsota]

just playing deadline gm, IF fluery will waive his no trade clause maybe vegas or pens would give us a future 2nd for G depth. dumba a healthy rhd 99 mph shot must have some value so im sticking to 2-2nds & 2-4ths. greenway maybe fletcher & company want him for a 3rd. no clue if hartman and steel are even worth a case of beer. IF goli will waive maybe ask a 4th. just my one cent hoping to watch judd look like a kid in a candy store.

I HIGHLY doubt Fleury wants to go back to Vegas.

 

[Digitalbooya]

that's not what I am hearing, and again, because of the lack of high end D prospects, everyone will be picking forwards early on, causing them to be snapped up far earlier than normal.there are no Drysdale's, Nemec's, Jiricek's Byram's, Power's, Sanderson's, Clarke's, etc.

It is an above average year for forwards, way below for Dmen, and no goalies will likely be picked in the teens. I would probably trade Addison for the 12th pick, maybe up to #14. At that point you would be getting a skilled forward prospect with a flaw. Wood(speed), or one of the smaller players(5'9") who projects to be a wing. 12th...yeah, I'd role the dice, I think. Danielsson(talent?), Sale(lw), Cristall(size?), Wood(skating)

I am looking at the first 10 picks being all forwards and still think there would be a number of darn good forwards available in the 11-20 range.

Players in the 15-25 range I’d think about:
-Cristall
-Heidt
-Perreault
-Stramel (possibly)

 

[Wasted Talent]

I HIGHLY doubt Fleury wants to go back to Vegas.

Maybe not, unless his beef was specifically with Deboer.

 

[Jesus comma Brodin]

Foligno and Greenway out, might not need any retention on Boeser.

If that is all it takes to afford $6.65M for another 2 years, I can think of a certain player that could have been afforded.

 

[Minnewildsota]

Maybe not, unless his beef was specifically with Deboer.

I don't think DeBoer was the GM that traded Fleury away without informing him

 

[Wasted Talent]

I don't think DeBoer was the GM that traded Fleury away without informing him

True, but Deboer was the one who impaled MAF with a massive sword

 

[Minnewildsota]

True, but Deboer was the one who impaled MAF with a massive sword

Either way, I HIGHLY doubt Fleury would waive his clause to go back to Vegas.

 

[Digitalbooya]

True, but Deboer was the one who impaled MAF with a massive sword

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

If that is all it takes to afford $6.65M for another 2 years, I can think of a certain player that could have been afforded.

Yeah, but think of the GREEF we would've missed.

I was a little wrong, we'd still be over by a somewhat decent amount, requiring other moving parts, unless we were able to really squeeze Addison and Gustavsson on their deals.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I am looking at the first 10 picks being all forwards and still think there would be a number of darn good forwards available in the 11-20 range.

Players in the 15-25 range I’d think about:
-Cristall
-Heidt
-Perreault
-Stramel (possibly)

Good thing about Addison, is that we can actually see who is there before a deal has to be done.

But I don't think it matters much, I don't think that Addison would get close to a mid-teens pick in this draft.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Good thing about Addison, is that we can actually see who is there before a deal has to be done.

But I don't think it matters much, I don't think that Addison would get close to a mid-teens pick in this draft.

Agreed on both accounts. Addison probably has late 1st round value and that’s where it’s better to just keep him.

 

[Minnewildsota]

Good thing about Addison, is that we can actually see who is there before a deal has to be done.

But I don't think it matters much, I don't think that Addison would get close to a mid-teens pick in this draft.

I disagree. Draft picks are a crap shoot. With Addison you know you're getting an offensive defensemen that has shown he "can" play in the NHL.

It all depends on what the other team is looking for. If they need some offensive help from the backend. this year? I think he could fetch a mid 1st. Though, that scenario is obviously limited.

 

[Jesus comma Brodin]

Yeah, but think of the GREEF we would've missed.

I was a little wrong, we'd still be over by a somewhat decent amount, requiring other moving parts, unless we were able to really squeeze Addison and Gustavsson on their deals.

Oh like a $6M pylon?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I disagree. Draft picks are a crap shoot. With Addison you know you're getting an offensive defensemen that has shown he "can" play in the NHL.

It all depends on what the other team is looking for. If they need some offensive help from the backend. this year? I think he could fetch a mid 1st. Though, that scenario is obviously limited.

I'm just trying to think back to picks in the teens that were traded after they were set:

Fiala got #19 (and a good prospect) but he was also WAY better and more valuable than Addison.
There was the whole Montreal/Chicago/NYI thing with Romanov/Dach/#13 last year. I'd probably have both of those guys more valuable than Addison.
Edmonton did that stupid thing with Reinhart (and lost out on Barzal) but I can't remember the timeline on that exactly.
There's probably more that I can't currently remember.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

Foligno and Greenway out, might not need any retention on Boeser.

Greenway and a 2nd for Boeser 1.5M retainer. Foligno to some dumb GM for a first. Next year, you hope something like this works:

Kaprizov-Rossi-Zuccarello
Boldy-Gaudreau-Boeser
Walker-Ek-Hartman

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

It’s fun. Greenway and Moose are making over 6M together and not only does that line now score, but they can’t play tough matchups anymore either. But, the guy we had to get rid of to keep them could be helping with the big time scoring problem we’re having.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

We have a lot of depth in the prospect pool, but typically, outside of the top 15 or so prospects in the world, it seems like each prospect has a 1/3 if not 1/4 chance of reaching their ceiling. Like, let’s take a look at a generic top 50 prospects list from 2015 (I just grabbed a random one) Ranking the Top 50 NHL Prospects

I think it’s great that we have a good prospect pool, and we have a good prospect pool by any measure, but we don’t have enough top-end talent in the pool for me to praise it like some other people are. I’m sure we’ll get 5 or 6 good NHL players, but if we aren’t getting actual significant players we’re not making any progress. Rather, we’ll just remain a middling team.

 

[Prior]

Addison isn’t worth much in a vacuum. Most of the time most other teams can be expected to have eyes. But he’s the type of player you move as the “promising” young NHL player potentially on the cusp with a first round pick and a prospect you don’t care about losing for an impact player.

Unfortunately the Wild don’t have the space for said impact player.

I don’t think the Wild should toss him away for meaningless returns. Remains to be seen what he will cost. I do think if you’re looking at penciling in Spurgeon, Faber, and him all on the right side next year and knowing the cap challenges they face, he’s about the last luxury they can afford icing. He’s young, he’s a net positive to the PP (but zero threat to shoot), but I don’t see his PP game as a significant enough asset to overcome the deficiencies in the rest of his game at all three levels. Especially when you factor in what the makeup of that right side looks like as a group.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Addison isn’t worth much in a vacuum. Most of the time most other teams can be expected to have eyes. But he’s the type of player you move as the “promising” young NHL player potentially on the cusp with a first round pick and a prospect you don’t care about losing for an impact player.

Unfortunately the Wild don’t have the space for said impact player.

I don’t think the Wild should toss him away for meaningless returns. Remains to be seen what he will cost. I do think if you’re looking at penciling in Spurgeon, Faber, and him all on the right side next year and knowing the cap challenges they face, he’s about the last luxury they can afford icing. He’s young, he’s a net positive to the PP (but zero threat to shoot), but I don’t see his PP game as a significant enough asset to overcome the deficiencies in the rest of his game at all three levels. Especially when you factor in what the makeup of that right side looks like as a group.

Just going to have to count on year 2 being better than year 1.

 

[AKL]

Just going to have to count on year 2 being better than year 1.

It's a bold strategy but I guess if it's all we have...

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

It's a bold strategy but I guess if it's all we have...

It's just sort of the standard thing with guys under 25 years old. If they don't get better, they get gone.

 

[Prior]

Just going to have to count on year 2 being better than year 1.

Helps to be cognizant of what he can reasonably become and what a team going to ice on an NHL blue line. Point totals that come largely from a PP that consists of a 100pt player are all well and good but he’s their last defenseman of their 7 that you want on the ice in any other situation beyond that subset of a game. If he did anything at 5x5 maybe it’s a different story but he’s not that player at this time and it’s fair to question if he ever will be.

The difference in projecting him out in comparison to other young promising players is there is noticeable growth and signs of things to come. Boldy is a bit of an extreme example but you can see what is coming and the steps they are taking. Everything hasn’t been put together yet but it’s there.

I don’t see how anyone who has watched Addison all year can say they see anything more than a 3rd pairing PP specialist in his future. That’s fine and if the Wild were operating under normal confines, no issue with that and there’s a place for that type of role. But with chosen direction of the buyouts and what they will ice on the blue line with Spurgeon and Faber, I think it’s very fair to question if Addison fits into that if you’re at all looking to be competitive. Maybe they aren’t, which is fine too, but let’s call it for what it is, that’s not the makings for an acceptable half of an NHL blue line if you have any notion of wanting to win.

The thing is, you and others want to take this criticism as they need to find ways to move on now. It’s not that, they should look for the right deal if they are also of that opinion. It doesn’t need to happen now, the deadline, and maybe not even over the summer. But it’s on the table if that’s what they feel and may potentially see if they get to that point and if/when they ice all three. Spurgeon isn’t going anywhere and I am certain they feel better about Faber than they do Addison. All things equal, that’s the reality of this situation and has nothing to really do with what type of role Addison could fill in a vacuum but what this blue line would look like in actual practice.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Helps to be cognizant of what he can reasonably become and what a team going to ice on an NHL blue line. Point totals that come largely from a PP that consists of a 100pt player are all well and good but he’s their last defenseman of their 7 that you want on the ice in any other situation beyond that subset of a game. If he did anything at 5x5 maybe it’s a different story but he’s not that player at this time and it’s fair to question if he ever will be.

The difference in projecting him out in comparison to other young promising players is there is noticeable growth and signs of things to come. Boldy is a bit of an extreme example but you can see what is coming and the steps they are taking. Everything hasn’t been put together yet but it’s there.

I don’t see how anyone who has watched Addison all year can say they see anything more than a 3rd pairing PP specialist in his future. That’s fine and if the Wild were operating under normal confines, no issue with that and there’s a place for that type of role. But with chosen direction of the buyouts and what they will ice on the blue line with Spurgeon and Faber, I think it’s very fair to question if Addison fits into that if you’re at all looking to be competitive. Maybe they aren’t, which is fine too, but let’s call it for what it is, that’s not the makings for an acceptable half of an NHL blue line if you have any notion of wanting to win.

The rest of this season and he'll be at ~100 NHL games. I'm willing to give him 1 more off season and 82 more NHL games before jumping to any conclusions.

Or maybe Tage Thompson has me all screwed up. I don't know.

 

[Digitalbooya]

 

[thestonedkoala]

Boeser + Petterson for Addison, Rossi, Greenway and Ohgren