It is. Same (slightly better) standings points % when Spurgeon is out compared to in. Every season and total games missed it's the same. The team doesn't miss a beat without him. He's missed a lot of time most seasons he's been on the team.
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It is. Same (slightly better) standings points % when Spurgeon is out compared to in. Every season and total games missed it's the same. The team doesn't miss a beat without him. He's missed a lot of time most seasons he's been on the team.
Is this something one could find on naturalstattrick or is there another site you use?
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Probably have to piece it together. Go through his game log, figure out which games he has missed, see how we did.
I've done them all by hand in the past and posted the numbers on the forums. Here they are again. Someone can check my numbers and math if they want. I used hockey reference for everything. Overall is Wild season totals. Spurgeon's page and went though his yearly game logs for the W-L-OTL with him. Subtracted the 2 numbers for the record without.
21-22 (missed 17 games): Overall 53-22-7, 41-19-5 with Spurgeon, 12-3-2 without Spurgeon.
20-21: (missed 2 games): Overall 35-16-5, with 35-14-5, without 0-2-0
19-20: (missed 7 games): Overall 35-27-7, with 32-24-6. without 3-3-1
18-19: (played all games): Overall 37-36-9
17-18 (missed 21 games): Overall 45-26-11, with 33-21-7, without 12-5-4
16-17: (missed 6 games): Overall 49-25-8, with 45-24-7, without 4-1-1
15-16 (missed 5 games): Overall 38-33-11, with 38-29-10. without 0-4-1
14-15 (missed 16 games): Overall 46-28-8, with 37-21-8, without 9-7-0
13-14 (missed 15 games): Overall 43-27-12, with 34-23-10, without 9-4-2
12-13 (missed 9 games): Overall 26-19-3, with 22-15-2, without 4-4-1
11-12 (missed 12 games) Overall: 35-36-11, with 29-32-9, without 6-4-2
10-11 (missed 29 games) Overall: 39-35-8, with 25-23-5, without 14-12-3
Career (missed 139 games) 481-330-100 (95.6p pace), with 408-281-83 (95.5p pace), without 73-49-17 (96.2p pace).
I've done that in the past for a season. It quickly gets to be a headache if the player misses random games here and there. It's not bad if it's something like Parise's back at the start of the season or Dumba's peck that ended his season.
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Yeah, I tried to quick do it for last season when he missed 17 games. I came up with a record that added to 13 and didn't want to give it a 2nd go. Had a winning record in those 13 games; can't remember the home/away split or quality of competition though.
For a rough idea you can compare the players splits for a season to the team's head to head results. Again hockey reference (one of my go to sites).
Huh it also shows the W-L-T in the splits section. That would have saved me some time.
Dr Jan Itor
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Yeah, but that's just his production in those games. It doesn't show if the team won or lost, does it?
Not that I've found. I have to hunt though the game number/dates to figure that stuff out. It ends up taking me a long time doing that.
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Hartman's contract is very appealing to the Wild going into next year. He would only be available for the proverbial overpay, though who knows how you evaluate his worth
He's not being traded....just being knocked down a peg for his stupidity the other night.
Almost Zero chance he’s traded, contract too valuable to the team. Even if he is awful the entire year they will be able to fall back on him being injured and just an unlucky, frustrating year, then fresh start next season kind of thing. Having said that, his frustration with his own play this season has made him his own worst enemy, and if he continues to spiral his mental game, maybe something comes to a head, but I don’t think there is anything close to that currently.
Shoulder injury took away his precision on his shot from last season, which has dropped his confidence and filtered into the rest of his game, until he finds it again, he belongs in a defensive role (which he still is great at and is being paid adequately for.)
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I think Mittelstadt should be the play this summer. Not just a #oneofus thing either. I think it's a really good upside bet.
I’m hoping we can swing something around Greenway for him. According to one poster from my trade board thread, he’s not playing center currently.
BUF has been running a Mitts/Jost/Olofsson line for awhile now.
I don't like a Mitts/Greenway swap for BUF. It's just one inconsistent player for another.
I like a Foligno/Mitts swap better for both teams. Each team gets a hometown kid and Foligno adds a stability element to BUF. I'd try to get Krebs (mostly because he's on an ELC) instead of Mitts from BUF though.
I’d like Krebs better too, but he was an important part of the Eichel trade and I don’t see them moving him.
Maybe, but Krebs has been kind of disappointing so far in BUF. He's just not a good fit (imo) for their team. I think he's stuck fighting for a bottom-6 spot. Tage, Tuch, Skinner, Cozens, Quinn, Peterka are all ahead of him in the top-6 (top-9) long term. Ostlund, Savoie, Kulich, and Rosen should be making a roster push in the next year or 2.
I just don't see Krebs as untouchable or even a top-5 young FWD player/prospect in their system.
I’d be all over any of Savoie, Ostlund, Kulich, Krebs. They’ve got a center situation I’m certainly jealous of. We don’t exactly have great pieces to offer them. They need RD and goaltending.
They need some depth (grit) FWDs too. It's why I like Foligno (as a rental+1) going to them. They are a young team that doesn't know how to even make a Playoff push.
As a BUF fan I'd love it if they had Brodin and Foligno. Brodin/Dahlin, Samuelsson/Power (mix and match as needed) would be a stout top-4. Pick up Meire in the offseason.
They’re not going to trade any of those centers for Foligno…
Brodin has a NMC for two more years after this one.
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Mittelstadt is just me trying to identify the next Zibanejad trade: top 10 pedigree, ok/pretty good career so far (40-50 point player), 23/24 years old, maybe a bit undervalued due to circumstances.
Mittelstadt:
Just turned 24 this fall
Last 3 seasons has a 15g 29a 44p per 82 game production
Taken ~11 face-offs per game with a 47% win rate
Just seeing Kaprizov take Hartman (~30 point player) and turn him into 60+; Steel, a ~25 point player, and turn him into 40-50; what if we could at least give him a guy that's already in the 40-50 range as far as ability goes?
Mittelstadt:
Just turned 24 this fall
Last 3 seasons has a 15g 29a 44p per 82 game production
Taken ~11 face-offs per game with a 47% win rate
Just seeing Kaprizov take Hartman (~30 point player) and turn him into 60+; Steel, a ~25 point player, and turn him into 40-50; what if we could at least give him a guy that's already in the 40-50 range as far as ability goes?
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