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Avilaj07 said:
I highly disagree with this statement. Murphy is a solid top 4 defensive defenseman, and personally a better partner for Rielly then Brodie.

Rielly-Murphy
Muzzin-Brodie
Lehtonen-Dermott
Sandin-Bogosian

That to me is a solid all around defensive group. Allows Rielly to play more freely knowing he has a solid defensive defenseman backing him, Muzzin and Brodie become our shutdown pair while still mobile and have some offense
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I like the looks of this but we would have to protect 4 defenceman in expansion.
 
bossram said:
I'm coming in this board as a secondary Leafs fan (Canucks #1 for me), so take my opinion with a grain of salt, but I don't think they can really afford to trade Kerfoot.

His versatility is too valuable. He came as advertised last year: Capable, though not exceptional 3C. Good passer but hates shooting. Decent defensively. Can PK. Scored at a 2nd line rate at even-strength (his overall totals were depressed because of a lack of PP time). I wouldn't want to trust either of Thornton or Spezza at 3C for the season. I'd honestly just rotate them at 4C to keep them fresh/healthy. Same with Simmonds.

Hyman - Matthews - Marner (offense + hard matchups)
Mikheyev - Tavares - Nylander (offense + secondary matchups)
Vesey - Kerfoot - Engvall (defensive inclination)
XXXX - Thornton/Spezza - XXXX
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Eng all does nothing for me since he signed his contract .
4th line till he proves otherwise.
 
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Dreakmur said:
If David Kampf is the +, that trade is something I would jump all over.
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I am curious as to why you would be high on Kampf, who is not really good at anything.

He's a 4C at best and would be behind both Spezza and Thornton, so we'd have three 4C's and no 3C.
 
horner said:
We have Thornton
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Who is a 4C at this point... so, we'd have a bunch of 4C's, and no 3C... the marginal difference between Holl and Murphy, isn't worth Kerfoot to me. I think this will look like a real bad proposal, half way through the season.
 
SeaOfBlue said:
I am curious as to why you would be high on Kampf, who is not really good at anything.

He's a 4C at best and would be behind both Spezza and Thornton, so we'd have three 4C's and no 3C.
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He’s good defensively, good on face offs, and good on the pk. Offensively, I think he has some untapped potential, since he’s yet to have any opportunity to put up any totals.
 
Dreakmur said:
He’s good defensively, good on face offs, and good on the pk. Offensively, I think he has some untapped potential, since he’s yet to have any opportunity to put up any totals.
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Sounds a lot like Gauthier TBH, and a lot of other 25 year old defensive 4C's.

I think the Leafs would just sign a guy like Gauthier for free than pay anything for Kampf, especially when he has a 1 mill cap hit.

We are also probably not the team to give a guy like him a chance as a 3C, and we don't need 4C's.
 
SeaOfBlue said:
Sounds a lot like Gauthier TBH, and a lot of other 25 year old defensive 4C's.

I think the Leafs would just sign a guy like Gauthier for free than pay anything for Kampf, especially when he has a 1 mill cap hit.

We are also probably not the team to give a guy like him a chance as a 3C, and we don't need 4C's.
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Nah, Kampf is a good skater with decent skill.

We can't move Kerfoot without a proven PK centre coming back. He's the best fit.
 
Dreakmur said:
Nah, Kampf is a good skater with decent skill.

We can't move Kerfoot without a proven PK centre coming back. He's the best fit.
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Sounds like we just don't move Kerfoot.

Kampf, if better than Gauthier, is marginally better and definitely not a 3C. Nothing special as a PKer either. Seems strange for the Leafs to create a hole for a small upgrade at the #4 spot on defense.
 
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I dont think there's much motive at the moment to trade Kerfoot right away.

He adds to the teams backup entre depth (a need), and keeping him allows him to regain his trade value if he has a strong season.

I thought he looked good during thr Columbus series, especially on the PK
 
SeaOfBlue said:
Sounds like we just don't move Kerfoot.
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If we can get Connor Murphy, we do.

Kampf, if better than Gauthier, is marginally better and definitely not a 3C. Nothing special as a PKer either. Seems strange for the Leafs to create a hole for a small upgrade at the #4 spot on defense.
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I think it's a significant upgrade. Murphy is probably better than Brodie, and might be on par with Muzzin.
 
Dreakmur said:
If we can get Connor Murphy, we do.



I think it's a significant upgrade. Murphy is probably better than Brodie, and might be on par with Muzzin.
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If that is true, then we aren't getting him for Holl and Kerfoot.

He's not on the same level as Muzzin.
 
SeaOfBlue said:
If that is true, then we aren't getting him for Holl and Kerfoot.

He's not on the same level as Muzzin.
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Murphy was Chicago's best defenseman last year, and while might not be on par with Muzzin, he's fairly close while also being way younger. Murphy would be an amazing addition to the top 4 and partner for Rielly. As for the expansion, go 4-4-1

Matthews
Marner
Tavares
Nylander
Rielly
Muzzin
Brodie
Murphy
Campbell

Leave Kerfoot unprotected and if Seattle takes him, well that just gives us 3.5 million to find a 3C in the off season which will be similar to this off season so you could potentially find a great 3rd line center for dirt cheap or maybe even give one of the kids a chance in Brooks or Abramov
 
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Duke16 said:
Engvall (+) for Roslovic and try to get Roslovic at or near his QO?

Engvall won't be playing every day partly because of his contract, and Roslovic could be another option to try in the middle six, especially if he comes even cheaper than Engvall for the year.
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interesting enough, he requested a trade today.
 
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Avilaj07 said:
Murphy was Chicago's best defenseman last year, and while might not be on par with Muzzin, he's fairly close while also being way younger. Murphy would be an amazing addition to the top 4 and partner for Rielly. As for the expansion, go 4-4-1

Matthews
Marner
Tavares
Nylander
Rielly
Muzzin
Brodie
Murphy
Campbell

Leave Kerfoot unprotected and if Seattle takes him, well that just gives us 3.5 million to find a 3C in the off season which will be similar to this off season so you could potentially find a great 3rd line center for dirt cheap or maybe even give one of the kids a chance in Brooks or Abramov
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Not really. He is a classic case of fool's gold. Connor Murphy was getting absolutely buried against his competition last year. He was a massive negative relative to his team in corsi and fenwick posting a -7 in the regular season and -11 relative in the playoffs. He provides this team with nothing Holl doesn't.
 
Avilaj07 said:
Murphy was Chicago's best defenseman last year, and while might not be on par with Muzzin, he's fairly close while also being way younger. Murphy would be an amazing addition to the top 4 and partner for Rielly. As for the expansion, go 4-4-1

Matthews
Marner
Tavares
Nylander
Rielly
Muzzin
Brodie
Murphy
Campbell

Leave Kerfoot unprotected and if Seattle takes him, well that just gives us 3.5 million to find a 3C in the off season which will be similar to this off season so you could potentially find a great 3rd line center for dirt cheap or maybe even give one of the kids a chance in Brooks or Abramov
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Then why would Chicago move him? Especially for Kerfoot and Holl. I wouldn't move a 27 year old Muzzin for Kerfoot and Holl, as good as they are.

I did not watch him a ton this past year, but I did see him in previous years and he was nothing special. I would take him as a stay-at-home guy, but he is pretty much hitting his ceiling as a player and is coming off of a career year that he has not come close to replicating at any other point in his career. Could be similar to Manson in that regard. I would also be concerned about how he would fit in a puck moving system like the Leafs. We've had guys who were still able to be effective regardless, but that limits his value and potential for us. Chicago has the perfect system for a player like him.
 
I know @ChuckWoods mentioned Toronto and Chicago talked earlier about Murphy. I wonder if talks resume now that Chicago needs some center depth and before people bring up Soderberg, Kerfoot definitely offers more
 
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Agreed ^ ... I'd much rather decide for myself what to believe and what not to. Even if it's untrue, it's fun to speculate.
 
Dreakmur said:
Nah, Kampf is a good skater with decent skill.

We can't move Kerfoot without a proven PK centre coming back. He's the best fit.
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Yup, the time to move Kerf would be at the deadline in a rather big package to Anaheim for a notable unrestricted free agent to be that brings a ton of size, skill, playoff experience, and plays down the middle.

I'm mostly just kidding as I have no idea how we'd make that work cap wise or if we'd be willing to give up what it'd take to make happen.
 
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