Trade and Free Agency Discussion Thread - Don't Expect More Augmenting

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Would Perry at 700k be a better option than any one of Thornton, Simmonds, or Vesey?

Simmonds based on AAV but I still think he's the better player and will defend guys if things start going down

At least he’s an agitator. I’ll be pleasantly surprised if Simmonds does much.

Somebody needs to back that up though and I'm not seeing many guys on the roster that can or will do that for him
 
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People do realize that Simmonds is 32 while Perry is 35. Both are not the same player they once were.
Simmonds is a better option at this point.
I have a feeling the COVID break really helped Perry to rest his body as he was pretty much meh before the break.
What about Simmonds not playing a game since March 9, 2020 which was the last time Buffalo played before the 2019-20 season got suspended. Will that long of a break for him have the same effect it did for Perry?
 
If Robertson is as good as kerfoot .
Then kerfoot will be traded at the deadline .

Mik I want to see alot more out of him as well,
If not trade him at the deadline as well.

Use the cap space on a player that can be a fit with Tavares and nylander .
Someone with size that digs like Hyman .
 
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That’s not at all the same as him not being a physical presence.

I said the day he was signed, a healthy Wayne Simmonds does for another line what Hyman does for his. If he’s healthy, I think he pushes his way onto the Tavares line. Is he healthy? I hope so.

Perry runs his mouth and spears people... and then hopes a guy like Simmonds is there to protect him.
Hope you're right
 
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If Robertson is as good as kerfoot .
Then kerfoot will be traded at the deadline .

Mik I want to see alot more out of him as well,
If not trade him at the deadline as well.

Use the cap space on a player that can be a fit with Tavares and nylander .
Someone with size that digs like Hyman .

Kerfoot likely sticks at 3C, a position Robertson cannot play.
 
The leafs don’t play that game so his hits will go likely go down.

Hopefully, if they make the playoffs and advance a round or two, they’ll have to play the dump and chase game and maybe he’ll be effective.

You just argued that Simmonds doesn't hit and when you were proven wrong, you argued that he won't be able to do it here?

Poor attempt at whatever it is you're trying to do.
 
Isn't this you?
He was useless in Nashville and NJ(.he another stop as well)

He was decent a few years ago in Philly, but they were ready to move him, oddly enough about the time they turned the corner.

Hopefully he gets reinvigorated and can add a little toughness and the odd goal. Wouldnt it be great to see him turn into a fan favourite that fights and hits and plays recklessly close to the edge, but I’m not counting on it.
 
Part of signing players is timing, the market, etc. Is the Perry signing a good deal for the Habs? Absolutely.

Could we have signed Perry for something like 1M (i.e. more than what he signed for) at the start of free agency? No, I don't think so.

You only get Perry at this price if you wait until the very last moment before the season starts and he happens to have not gotten a better deal.

We got our own good value deals, and got much better trade value for Kapanen than Vegas did for the better player Schmidt. I wouldn't worry about comparing Perry signing to Simmonds signing.
 
Maybe revisit Murphy if chi is looking for c depth now

Something like Kerfoof and Holl for Murphy +

and use who as our 3C? Chicago also signed Soderberg for C depth, so I'm not sure that they are looking anyway.
 
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He was useless in Nashville and NJ(.he another stop as well)

He was decent a few years ago in Philly, but they were ready to move him, oddly enough about the time they turned the corner.

Hopefully he gets reinvigorated and can add a little toughness and the odd goal. Wouldnt it be great to see him turn into a fan favourite that fights and hits and plays recklessly close to the edge, but I’m not counting on it.
Philadelphia traded Simmonds to Nashville because they were going to miss the playoffs in 2019 and because he was going to be a UFA.
 
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If Robertson is as good as kerfoot .
Then kerfoot will be traded at the deadline .

Mik I want to see alot more out of him as well,
If not trade him at the deadline as well.

Use the cap space on a player that can be a fit with Tavares and nylander .
Someone with size that digs like Hyman .

I'm coming in this board as a secondary Leafs fan (Canucks #1 for me), so take my opinion with a grain of salt, but I don't think they can really afford to trade Kerfoot.

His versatility is too valuable. He came as advertised last year: Capable, though not exceptional 3C. Good passer but hates shooting. Decent defensively. Can PK. Scored at a 2nd line rate at even-strength (his overall totals were depressed because of a lack of PP time). I wouldn't want to trust either of Thornton or Spezza at 3C for the season. I'd honestly just rotate them at 4C to keep them fresh/healthy. Same with Simmonds.

Hyman - Matthews - Marner (offense + hard matchups)
Mikheyev - Tavares - Nylander (offense + secondary matchups)
Vesey - Kerfoot - Engvall (defensive inclination)
XXXX - Thornton/Spezza - XXXX
 
Engvall (+) for Roslovic and try to get Roslovic at or near his QO?

Engvall won't be playing every day partly because of his contract, and Roslovic could be another option to try in the middle six, especially if he comes even cheaper than Engvall for the year.
 
What about Simmonds not playing a game since March 9, 2020 which was the last time Buffalo played before the 2019-20 season got suspended. Will that long of a break for him have the same effect it did for Perry?
No clue. Looking at the WJC, it seems like long lay-off might be a good thing as it really allow these players to heal all their nagging injuries. Then again, I think it depends on the players, if they have a take it easy attitude, they might not be in the best shape.
 
Engvall (+) for Roslovic and try to get Roslovic at or near his QO?

Engvall won't be playing every day partly because of his contract, and Roslovic could be another option to try in the middle six, especially if he comes even cheaper than Engvall for the year.

Jets are already over the Cap, without signing Roslovic. If Engvall were more expensive, no way Jets do this... but, he should sign for somewhere between $2 mil - 2.5 mil under normal times.. .and he isn't going to be cheaper than Engvall no matter what. We can't do this deal, and Jets have no reason to.
 
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Engvall (+) for Roslovic and try to get Roslovic at or near his QO?

Engvall won't be playing every day partly because of his contract, and Roslovic could be another option to try in the middle six, especially if he comes even cheaper than Engvall for the year.

I wouldn't want to do this. It's possible Roslovic signs at a higher cap hit than Engvall, so there's no savings anyway. From an analytical standpoint, Roslovic really isn't anything special. Not great defensively and hasn't been able to drive offense from lower in the lineup. When given a shot in the top-six, he hasn't really run with it. And whatever production he does have is inflated by a high on-ice shooting %. There aren't really any signs of a breakout.

To me, Engvall fills a clear niche (and need) on the team. He offers a lot of defensive + PK value on a forward group that needs it. He's also one of the only good skaters available in a bottom-six that's gonna need it too (i.e. Thornton, Spezza, Simmonds, etc). IMO he's one of their better 4th line options right now.
 
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I'd rather just keep Kerfoot and Holl. Murphy really isn't much of an upgrade on Holl to give up a decent 3C in Kerfoot.

I highly disagree with this statement. Murphy is a solid top 4 defensive defenseman, and personally a better partner for Rielly then Brodie.

Rielly-Murphy
Muzzin-Brodie
Lehtonen-Dermott
Sandin-Bogosian

That to me is a solid all around defensive group. Allows Rielly to play more freely knowing he has a solid defensive defenseman backing him, Muzzin and Brodie become our shutdown pair while still mobile and have some offense
 
I highly disagree with this statement. Murphy is a solid top 4 defensive defenseman, and personally a better partner for Rielly then Brodie.

Rielly-Murphy
Muzzin-Brodie
Lehtonen-Dermott
Sandin-Bogosian

That to me is a solid all around defensive group. Allows Rielly to play more freely knowing he has a solid defensive defenseman backing him, Muzzin and Brodie become our shutdown pair while still mobile and have some offense
I agree, and would gladly do Holl+Kerfoot for Murphy.
 
I highly disagree with this statement. Murphy is a solid top 4 defensive defenseman, and personally a better partner for Rielly then Brodie.

Rielly-Murphy
Muzzin-Brodie
Lehtonen-Dermott
Sandin-Bogosian

That to me is a solid all around defensive group. Allows Rielly to play more freely knowing he has a solid defensive defenseman backing him, Muzzin and Brodie become our shutdown pair while still mobile and have some offense
Murphy played more minutes than Holl but him and Holl had similar usage with similar results last year both offensively and defensively.

Both ideally need to be paired with a better LD partner in order to be effective.

Again for me the difference isn't enough to take on the higher cap hit in Murphy plus the loss of Kerfoot up front (who played much better than people give him credit for).

I'd rather just play Dermott in Holl's spot and see if he can take another step over tradimg more offensive depth for a guy like Murphy.
 
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