Trade and Free Agency Discussion Thread - Don't Expect More Augmenting

[Buds17]

The AAV on that Martin contract would be quite lower than it was on the deal he signed here, for whatever that might be worth. That said, I wouldn't want to go above two years in term considering his place in the lineup.

 

[stickty111]

Nevermind the term, the fact he is making more than league minimum is laughable.

Hilarious stuff. Overpaying by almost a million and 3 years extra for a 4th liner.
I like what Dubas did this off season. Get more grit but not overpaying it. All though bit surprised he was willing to go to 3 years for Clifford.

 

[IPS]

This is the covid market and Lou's signing 4th liners for 4-year terms?! That's honestly hilarious.

 

[BlueForever75]

And people wanted Lou returned?

Not only did he cost us plenty by signing Marleau to the deal he did. It would have been deals like Martin's that really would have sunk the ship. And here we thought that he would have paid players like Nylander and Marner less as the Leafs GM. Had me fooled.

Nylander and Marner contracts are steals compared to the Martin signing.

He probably would have given players like Simmonds, and Thornton much more then Dubas did.

I think Lou is getting old and soft. Glad we moved on.

 

[The Podium]

And people wanted Lou returned?

Not only did he cost us plenty by signing Marleau to the deal he did. It would have been deals like Martin's that really would have sunk the ship. And here we thought that he would have paid players like Nylander and Marner less as the Leafs GM. Had me fooled.

Nylander and Marner contracts are steals compared to the Martin signing.

He probably would have given players like Simmonds, and Thornton much more then Dubas did.

I think Lou is getting old and soft. Glad we moved on.

The bigger issue is probably walking Pulock to UFA. RFAs may cave to Lou when they have no leverage but players dont have short memories. If he doesnt get a nice deal during round 2 of negotiations, I dont think he hesitates to walk.

 

[Lightsol]

Holy crap has Lou lost it?

4 years 1.5M for Martin? Why?

Give him 1 year deal at 900K-1M

He isnt a guy who deserves that much term nor should make 1.5M

Clifford is a better player than him yet signed for 1 year and for less

Lou shouldnt be giving out long term deals to guys who arent top 9 players or top 4 defenders

Smart people: Uh, man, the Islanders have backed themselves into a corner. Thanks to all these terrible contracts, they're going to find it very hard to keep Barzal, Toews and a few other young players...

Idiots: NUH UH! Lou's a genius! He'll get them all signed, probably by dumping some dead wood!

A year later; Toews sold off cheap, Barzal holding out, Lou continuing to sign 4th liners to overpayments...

Idiots: Come on Matt, why don't you want to play for league minimum so we can keep Matt Martin for twice that? Lou knows what he's doing!

 

[Cor]

The bigger issue is probably walking Pulock to UFA. RFAs may cave to Lou when they have no leverage but players dont have short memories. If he doesnt get a nice deal during round 2 of negotiations, I dont think he hesitates to walk.

The way Lou acted during an entry-level contract negotiation with Mitch Marner is partially why negotiations with the Marner camp went the way they did, after Lou had even left the organization. (according to Dreger, who was Marner's camp mouthpiece)

 

[Dreakmur]

Toews sold off cheap

Two second round picks isn't particularly cheap for a borderline #4 defenseman who put up 28 points while not being trusted to play in defensive situations.

 

[ryno23]

This is what Lou does
Fault Dubas for over-paying the stars, but I'd rather that than over-paying 4th liners WITH term

perfect post. People bitch about Dubas paying an extra mil to 3 of the top players in the NHL but at least he wasn't signing 4th liners to long deals and borderline D like Zeitsev to 7 year deals...oh forgot about that 3rd year to Marleau that screwed up our draft. Could have had 2 top 15 picks in this year's draft.

Lou lost the plot here in Toronto and you are seeing on the Island. He is squeezing Barzal and giving Martin uneeded term and money. He screwed the Marner 1st deal and created animosity between the Marner camp and the Leafs which Dubas had to fix.

 

[ToneDog]

perfect post. People bitch about Dubas paying an extra mil to 3 of the top players in the NHL but at least he wasn't signing 4th liners to long deals and borderline D like Zeitsev to 7 year deals...oh forgot about that 3rd year to Marleau that screwed up our draft. Could have had 2 top 15 picks in this year's draft.

Lou lost the plot here in Toronto and you are seeing on the Island. He is squeezing Barzal and giving Martin uneeded term and money. He screwed the Marner 1st deal and created animosity between the Marner camp and the Leafs which Dubas had to fix.

Two wrongs do not make a right. The difference is Lou had plenty of cap space so it did not affect the on ice product. Not the case when you paint yourself into a corner capwise and then have to dump good players and go dumpster diving to fill out the roster. Kinda like what the Jays have done in the past but they behave like a small market team.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

As posted earlier.

 

[Dekes For Days]

The difference is Lou had plenty of cap space so it did not affect the on ice product.

Except it did affect the on-ice product. Both in the short-term, because he was wasting money instead of using it on players that could address our weaknesses, during our massive ELC advantage years. And in the long-term, because his contracts extended beyond the period where we would have that available cap space.

Dubas, on the other hand, has been able to remove the bad contracts, maneuver through a global pandemic flat cap, without the stars on ELC advantage, and still consistently address weaknesses year after year to improve the team.

The more Lou does, the more it becomes clear it was good that we moved on when we did.

 

[Avilaj07]

With our depth on the left side,

Rielly
Brodie
Muzzin
Dermott
Sandin
Lehtonen

Do you think the Leafs possibly entertain moving Rielly next off season? With only 1 year remaining after this, odds are he'll be looking for anywhere between 7-9 million aav is personally i wouldn't do.

 

[DcW]

Dermott for Roslavic...Yay or nay?

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Dermott for Roslavic...Yay or nay?

No. We don't need more forwards. We need defensemen, where Dermott is a top 6 guy for us.

We just waived Malgin. Not that he is on the same level as Roslovic, but it does say that we are not exactly starving for forward depth.

 

[Buds17]

Dermott for Roslavic...Yay or nay?

Not bad. I'd rather retain the blueline depth for now though. Not sure which forward would be dropped from the lineup to accommodate adding Roslovic? I see good depth at all positions waiting for an opportunity on this team as is.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

With our depth on the left side,

Rielly
Brodie
Muzzin
Dermott
Sandin
Lehtonen

Do you think the Leafs possibly entertain moving Rielly next off season? With only 1 year remaining after this, odds are he'll be looking for anywhere between 7-9 million aav is personally i wouldn't do.

Two of those guys are playing RD, so that thins out really fast.

Not to mention that none of them are on Rielly's level as a defenseman, even if they all hit their ceilings. We are not giving up a #1 defenseman that is an excellent fit for our team both on and off the ice when we are in the middle of a window. We will pay him into his mid-30's and it likely be less than what Pietrangelo got, especially since it will be an 8 year deal.

 

[Avilaj07]

Two of those guys are playing RD, so that thins out really fast.

Not to mention that none of them are on Rielly's level as a defenseman, even if they all hit their ceilings. We are not giving up a #1 defenseman that is an excellent fit for our team both on and off the ice when we are in the middle of a window. We will pay him into his mid-30's and it likely be less than what Pietrangelo got, especially since it will be an 8 year deal.

While 1 (Brodie) plays the right, he is still left handed, I'm assuming you meant Dermott as the second guy and I don't really think you can say he plays RHD when he's played LHD majority of his career and same with Lehtonen, hence why he's paired with Bogosian who's the RHD.

What I was trying to insinuate was, we have plenty of LHD depth and really lack on the right side. If we could look at possibly trading Rielly to a team who has a young top 4 RHD that is still in the early stages of his career, I think it's something you should look at.

 

[ToneDog]

Maple Leafs place forward Denis Malgin on waivers

 

[rumman]

The irony of posters continually ripping on Lou is too funny, yet the Islanders have more playoff success than the Leafs. Imo the Islanders might lack the talent of the Leafs, but they kill it in the heart department. Pageau, Uncle Lou, Martin, Clutterbuck lots of heart and work ethic there, no players mailing it in on Lou’s team.............

 

[Menzinger]

Erne hasn't turned out any better.

Really, Gauthier worked out better than most of the guys after him believe it or not. He's at least a serviceable NHLer.

That 2013 draft class was just awful.

 

[Menzinger]

LMAO hope it has a NMC too.

Yep. Its pretty bad no matter how you look at it.

I get that Lou is loyal to his depth vets (for better or for worse). But the guy had 8 points last season and is 31.....

He couldn't have signed for 1 mil (or more likely 700k) x 2 years? I can't imagine there would be a bidding war for him at this point.

 

[rumman]

Martin had over 200 hits last season, is there a Leaf that comes close to that?

 

[LeafChief]

Martin had over 200 hits last season, is there a Leaf that comes close to that?

Having a lot of hits typically means you don't have the puck.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Martin had over 200 hits last season, is there a Leaf that comes close to that?

That doesn't justify a 4 year contract for arguably a 13th forward.