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Proposal: Toronto -Winnipeg

buttman said:
No they don't. Trouba is the most over-rated player on these boards. He had a good rookie season but hasn't stepped up since then. He's not a top pairing Dman. His offense will never be that of a top pairing Dman.
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I'm not so sure, If put in the right situation i think Trouba could light it up. Don't forget that Trouba is pretty much bottom pairing with Mark Stuart usually when he's paired with any one other then Stuart he usually does much better and his Corsi numbers bare that out as well.
 
remote said:
Are the negotiations stalled due to where Trouba feels he fits on the team and Chevy feels he fits a lil lower?

Now I 100% understand why fans don't like Gardiner as the main piece for Trouba but from a business stand point it could make sense.
Lets assume that Trouba wants 6-6.5/yr and the Jets wan't 4.5-5/yr now considering the Jets do have a budget it may make sense for them the get a LHD who is @4mil who fills a need+ an other piece like the leafs 2nd or even swapping 1sts.
Obviously Jets fans would hate it but as fans of a budget team they may understand it.
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The Jets would never discount a core player like Trouba just to save a million a year. They are doing fine financially. If they trade Trouba, it will be for full value, not some discount to save a bit of salary.
 
Whileee said:
The Jets would never discount a core player like Trouba just to save a million a year. They are doing fine financially. If they trade Trouba, it will be for full value, not some discount to save a bit of salary.
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GArdiner+swapping 1sts is full value IMO tho
 
Atomos2 said:
He ain't better. The stats you Jets fans keep bringing up prove that :laugh:
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I wanna live in Atomos12's world where comparing Rielly, Gardiner and Trouba ends up with Rielly the best because of 'eye test', Gardiner's the second best because of 'advanced stats' and Trouba's the worst because 'doesn't play for the Leafs'
 
HarrisonFord said:
Actually the report I'm reading has them stating Buff was looking for a $6.875M x 8 year deal
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It's almost like the report had Byfuglien getting the exact same contract as Seabrook, Ladd getting the exact same contract as Kesler and Trouba getting the exact same contract as Doughty. It's almost like the author of the article made up a source (or his source) used these contracts as comparables, and then Campbell reported these comparables as actual contract demands.

Or I guess it could all be a be coincidence...
 
HarrisonFord said:
Do you think he'd have actually confirmed the report if it was true, or have denied it still as well? I'm leaning towards the second option
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Hilarious! There's only two choices here and you have them both covered.

If the agent comes out and says it's true, then you can point to it and say 'it's true'

If the agent comes out and denies it, then 'Well, he's lying, so it's obviously true'

Classic! :laugh::laugh::facepalm:
 
Somebody please explain why Trouba hasn't signed the same contract as Rielly. You couldn't find a closer comparable....
 
As a TML fan the OP offers was horrible, sorry. If Jets management is looking to move him and there was the desire to get a good LH puck moving D then Gardiner would be ideal. Problem is the add would have to be substantial. Multiple picks or pick and top prospect. As I think the jets are looking to compete now it would need to be somebody almost ready.

Trouba would be a top pairing guy and would solidify our defence and would love to have him.
 
Liferleafer said:
Somebody please explain why Trouba hasn't signed the same contract as Rielly. You couldn't find a closer comparable....
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Trouba's agent thinks he might get more money on his contract by waiting into the summer and Trouba has no reason to sign before the WC training camp starts
 
HarrisonFord said:
We've had rumours and reports. All signs point to even the middle ground between both sides being over $5M. Wasn't Trouba looking for $6+?



Yup, exactly. I mean whether you think that Trouba or Rielly is the better player, I think both sides can agree that even if Trouba is the better player (it's close either way), the difference is not close to what the difference in salary will likely be
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Both sides have been reported to want long term. IMO:

Trouba probably wants 5-6 so he can get a massive payday as a 27 year old UFA RHD. The Jets probably want a couple years more.

Based on a 6 year deal Trouba is probably asking for something like Hamilton’s 5.75, while the club is probably looking more at the Rielly $5 million.

According to Lawless, Trouba also wants some type of commitment for more PP time and to resolve the logjam the jets have on RHD either by moving someone or playing Trouba on the left side full time. This is basically nothing HFJets hasn’t been asking for going back to the Kane trade..
 
JetsHomer said:
Trouba's agent thinks he might get more money on his contract by waiting into the summer and Trouba has no reason to sign before the WC training camp starts
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Seems like a recipe for bad feelings between the 2 sides....
 
WrinkledPossum said:
This is a horrible trade for Winnipeg. Michalek doesn't have much value, negative value to some teams. He'd be a third liner with WPG, maybe 4th if they're young players do well. Gardiner is a second pairing guy.

Trouba signing an offer sheet and Peg getting a 1,2,3 would be a lot better for them.


This trade seems to be written with only a Toronto perspective in mind.
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I'm not agreeing nor disagreeing with the trade but...

Gardiner > 1st outside of the top-10
2nd = SJ 2nd
Michalek + Dumping Pavelec > 3rd

Letting him go on an offer sheet really isn't that great of an idea, even if it's to a place like the Oilers who've been basement dwellers for awhile. If they added Trouba I'd legitimately consider them a playof team.
 
Atomos2 said:
I wouldn't be surprised if he held out for like 6M. Based on how long these talks are going and the fact it has been reported they are far apart, I can realistically see him being overpaid by at least a mil and being unable to live up to that contract.
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There has been absolutely no report that they are "far apart". In fact, the reporter (Lawless) who reported that they remain apart on contract terms specifically told a local radio show in Winnipeg that he didn't want anyone to think he was implying that they are "far" apart on any contract terms.

I highly doubt that he'll end up being overpaid much, though perhaps a bit. Term will matter a lot, obviously.

I think it'll be something like...

6 x $5.25M (i.e. between Rielly and Jones)
7 x $5.75M
8 x $6.00M

That's a bit on the high side, but I think the Jets and fans would be fine with this to lock Trouba up long term.
 
Liferleafer said:
Somebody please explain why Trouba hasn't signed the same contract as Rielly. You couldn't find a closer comparable....
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Rielly has a different agent than Trouba.

Probably the same reasons that Monahan, Gaudreau, Lindholm, Risto, etc. haven't signed. Agents/players and teams haven't agreed on contract terms.

Chevy is known as a "grinder" in negotiations. His agent is known as a tough negotiator. I expect that this negotiation will go down to a "deadline" like the WC or NHL season.
 
Whileee said:
Rielly has a different agent than Trouba.

Probably the same reasons that Monahan, Gaudreau, Lindholm, Risto, etc. haven't signed. Agents/players and teams haven't agreed on contract terms.

Chevy is known as a "grinder" in negotiations. His agent is known as a tough negotiator. I expect that this negotiation will go down to a "deadline" like the WC or NHL season.
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Agreed. Love how fans who don't even follow the team read one false report from weeks ago think Trouba wants 7+ million per year. No clue
 
Liferleafer said:
Not sure usage can be negotiated...that just seems like a bad idea to guarantee playing time.
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Can it be put into the contract? Don't think so, but they sure can have a understanding.

Big difference between playing with Buff vs Stuart and top 6 forwards vs bottom 6 forwards. Huge impact on his next contract as a Ufa.
 
Liferleafer said:
Somebody please explain why Trouba hasn't signed the same contract as Rielly. You couldn't find a closer comparable....
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He doesn't want to be in Winnipeg unless he gets massively overpayed. The contract shouldn't be hard, given recent comparables in Reilly, Jones, Klingberg etc.

Considering what those players signed for, Trouba should be in the 6 year 4.5-5/year range if he's reasonable. He's not.
 
Quiksilver said:
He doesn't want to be in Winnipeg unless he gets massively overpayed. The contract shouldn't be hard, given recent comparables in Reilly, Jones, Klingberg etc.

Considering what those players signed for, Trouba should be in the 6 year 4.5-5/year range if he's reasonable. He's not.
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Oh brother....factless drama. Not a single fact to back up that claim. It's like a bunch on 13 year old girls post on this site. Drama drama drama
 
BigSquid said:
Wishful thinking I guess. Something has to give with this Trouba situation though.
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You talk like training camp started a week ago. If it comes to that we get much better offers for Trouba.

Nice try though. :) Taking Pavelec off our hands and letting go of Gardner shows you are trying to be reasonable. It just isn't enough.
 
Mortimer Snerd said:
You talk like training camp started a week ago. If it comes to that we get much better offers for Trouba.

Nice try though. :) Taking Pavelec off our hands and letting go of Gardner shows you are trying to be reasonable. It just isn't enough.
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Agreed.

Call us if training camp starts and Trouba sits out otherwise people are trying to create drama where there is none.
 
Atomos2 said:
Whatever Gardiner is, Trouba is lower. Both offensively and defensively Gardiner is superior to Trouba and the only thing Trouba has on him is age Which is why i woudnt do this deal. Go ahead and whip out those oh so wonderful stats that you love to bring up. Timashov, Dermott and a 1st is what he's worth with his contract demands.
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You know his contract demands? No one else does. Please lets us in on it.
 
GoJetsGo55 said:
Let me save everyone 2 days:

OP: Trouba to Toronto!

Jets Fans: Only if Rielly is coming back

Toronto fans: Yeah right bruh Rielly > Trouba

Jets Fans: Bruh advanced stats bruh!

Toronto Fans: Bruh points bruh!

Jets Fans: *Warrior Chart*

Toronto Fans: LOL As if those numbers even matter it's the eye test bruh!

Jets Fans: Bruh eye test? How many Jets games you watch bruh!??!

Toronto Fans: Bruh how many Toronto games you watch Bruh!??!?

And at this point, anyone who came to discuss this is long gone and it's like the same 6 people going back and forth.


There. I saved you all a tonne of time.
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Thanks. I wish I'd read this post earlier. I can stop now. :laugh::laugh:
 
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