Proposal: Toronto -Winnipeg

[HarrisonFord]

Yeah i totally agree that Trouba right now should be #2 on the depth chart to Buff and Myers at #3 right now Trouba is far better then Myers any day of the year. And i pretty much agree with you that i'm not a big fan of Myers either. I would take Trouba any day over Myers the only thing Myer's has going for him is his height at 6'8 that's about it.

It's the Chara effect, not that I blame GM's. You see a 6'8 guy who can skate and think "man, if I can get his game together...". Probably one of the most enticing project players out there for a GM IMO

 

[CorgisPer60]

Do you think he'd have actually confirmed the report if it was true, or have denied it still as well? I'm leaning towards the second option

All you have is one's word vs the other. Let's look at what else came out during that. Ladd and Buff were both named in that article as wanting substantial term and cost to remain.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...jacob-trouba-free-agents-asking-term-million/

This is as close to the source of the contract leak that you're going to get. Buff wants an 8 year, 55m contract, according to that. Know what he signed for? 5 year, 38m contract. Higher cap hit, but substantially less money over the course of the contract. Shows how good that number was in the end, huh? Ladd supposedly wanted a 6 year, 41m contract from the Jets. Cap hit of 6.8m. He got 7 year, 38.5m contract. Cap hit of 5.5m. Less money, longer term.

My point is asks are not what the player gets, so quit supposing that his value is somehow diminished just because one rag printed out a series of numbers.

 

[HarrisonFord]

All you have is one's word vs the other. Let's look at what else came out during that. Ladd and Buff were both named in that article as wanting substantial term and cost to remain.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...jacob-trouba-free-agents-asking-term-million/

This is as close to the source of the contract leak that you're going to get. Buff wants an 8 year, 55m contract, according to that. Know what he signed for? 5 year, 38m contract. Higher cap hit, but substantially less money over the course of the contract. Shows how good that number was in the end, huh.

I'm not sure that has the effect you think it does. That contract was probably what Buff wanted, but he took a shorter term and got a higher AAV. That's pretty well in line with what the report said. I'm sure that Trouba would sign for less AAV if the Jets signed him to a lower term, but then you'd be eating less UFA years and his next contract would be very expensive

 

[Hunter368]

We have a lot of posters on this site. The voices of a few don't speak for the majority of us. It's not so much that Trouba isn't a good player, it's that his contract status scares us away. I mean if he signs for $5M AAV long term, yeah sure I'd like to add him. But all signs are pointing in a different direction.



This speculation isn't from nowhere. Per sportsnet:

"RFA-to-be Trouba has requested upwards of $56 million over eight years" - that would be a $7M AAV

This is what you get when you believe everything you read.

The local guy who created that report immediately came out after wards to clarify his comment which had been twisted.

Plus Trouba's agent the very next day publically reported that was completely wrong information.

Plus since that first wrong story came out there has been multi signings setting the base line for guys like Trouba.

People really should drop that openly false report and go by the facts.

There has been zero facts made public by either side regarding demands or offers.

 

[Finnish your Czech]

It's weird that Leafs fans have made dozens of proposals for a player you guys don't even want..

Maybe the people making the proposals are not the same people saying they don't want Trouba.

 

[HarrisonFord]

This is what you get when you believe everything you read.

The local guy who created that report immediately came out after wards to clarify his comment which had been twisted.

Plus Trouba's agent the very next day publically reported that was completely wrong information.

Plus since that first wrong story came out there has been multi signings setting the base line for guys like Trouba.

People really should drop that openly false report and go by the facts.

There has been zero facts made public by either side regarding demands or offers.

Sounds like exactly what an agent would do regardless of if it was true or false though. I put zero stock into that.

The baseline point does have merit to it. Rielly's deal was a steal though, so I'm expecting Trouba's to be higher than that as it doesn't seem that Trouba or his agent will allow a steal to take place

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Which, again, is sourced from ONE BEAT WRITER for the local rag, which has since been refuted by Overhardt, Trouba's agent. That's the only time anything regarding a number has come out. For all of the Trouba topics on here, you think you guys would pay attention to at least that facet.



And now it's 'well documented' that Trouba doesn't like playing his off side and is unhappy. Always creating narratives because there isn't **** all to talk about in the off season. Ok, show where it was documented that Trouba is unhappy about playing his off hand.

Right because Overhardt is going to come out and say sure we're asking for 8 years $56 million of course he's going to refute it. Doesn't mean that it's not true though. Who know's maybe he's asking that much because he doesn't want to stay in Winnipeg who know's.

I will try and find that interview on him not being happy playing on his off hand side, But it was mentioned on one of the rumor site. That the only way he's getting top 4 minutes on D is playing on his left side and that he wants to play his normal right. But the only way that happens is if he plays the bottom pairing. Because both Buff and Myers are on the right side and that puts Trouba on the bottom pairing unless he plays the left side. I don't no nor do i care i'm only saying supposedly one of the reasons why he isn't happy with his current situation.

 

[Hunter368]

Do you think he'd have actually confirmed the report if it was true, or have denied it still as well? I'm leaning towards the second option

You mean the same local media who claimed Buff was demanding 10 million per year for 7-8 years?

 

[HarrisonFord]

You mean the same local media who claimed Buff was demanding 10 million per year for 7-8 years?

Actually the report I'm reading has them stating Buff was looking for a $6.875M x 8 year deal

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Bruh it's been this exact same thing for like 2 weeks now haha

Totally agree Bruh, And it will continue like that for a few weeks more Bruh. Or at least until Cheveldayoff signs Trouba long term Bruh. And then we can put this one to bed Bruh.

 

[Karl Eriksson]

Only let down in here was the lack of Greening in OP's proposal. Otherwise, 10/10.

 

[Atomos2]

Why would we trade you a younger and better defenseman for Gardiner?

He ain't better. The stats you Jets fans keep bringing up prove that

 

[Hogan86]

Rielly or bust? Rielly's already several steps ahead of Trouba in his development. Not saying that Trouba is a bad player though. He's got a lot of tools and talent, but he need to get his game in check as well as his attitude, seeing as he is still holding out. I don't get players like that. Sign a short term deal and show us what your worth. Makes you wonder. He wants the long term big deal now. Maybe he's worried he won't be able to get a huge money deal in two years from now. No way you get Rielly for Trouba because Reilly is worth much more right now.

 

[ACC1224]

It's weird that Leafs fans have made dozens of proposals for a player you guys don't even want..

You realize that these may not all be the same people?

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

You mean the same local media who claimed Buff was demanding 10 million per year for 7-8 years?

Ha ha that report never said that Buff was ever asking for $10 million per year long term. The reported asking was more closer to $7 million like $6.8 million for 7-8 years and he wound up signing for 5 years closer to $7.6 million took more money but less term.

 

[leaflover]

Another Trouba to Toronto thread, how fresh.
Jets won't be trading Trouba, they need him as much as just about anyone on their roster. Like Jets fans say, if they did have to move him it's for a similar defenseman which defeats the purpose of acquiring him from the Leafs standpoint. In fact, the only acceptable return eliminates all teams looking to add to their defense(sounds bizarre, but its correct) and there are a few of them out there. So that leaves teams with good defensemen that simply want to change things around for whatever reason. Who might that be? I have no idea, can't think of any teams fitting that criteria but there may be something of that nature out there.
They'll get him signed and probably longterm as that's by far the most likely and sensible option. He may get more money than Jones and Rielly but I consider those two contacts in the fair to team friendly area of the scale, closer to the friendly section if anything.

 

[CorgisPer60]

I'm not sure that has the effect you think it does. That contract was probably what Buff wanted, but he took a shorter term and got a higher AAV. That's pretty well in line with what the report said. I'm sure that Trouba would sign for less AAV if the Jets signed him to a lower term, but then you'd be eating less UFA years and his next contract would be very expensive

It isn't the contract that he was initially rumoured to want, but was an agreeable compromise. Buff got a higher AAV for 3 less years than I would be comfortable with having him on the team. He is also getting _much_ less money over the entire contract. The point I was making is that what a player asks for and what he ultimately gets are two very different things. At least you agree that Reilly signed a super team friendly contract.

 

[Atomos2]

Another Trouba to Toronto thread, how fresh.
Jets won't be trading Trouba, they need him as much as just about anyone on their roster. Like Jets fans say, if they did have to move him it's for a similar defenseman which defeats the purpose of acquiring him from the Leafs standpoint. In fact, the only acceptable return eliminates all teams looking to add to their defense(sounds bizarre, but its correct) and there are a few of them out there. So that leaves teams with good defensemen that simply want to change things around for whatever reason. Who might that be? I have no idea, can't think of any teams fitting that criteria but there may be something of that nature out there.
They'll get him signed and probably longterm as that's by far the most likely and sensible option. He may get more money than Jones and Rielly but I consider those two contacts in the fair to team friendly area of the scale, closer to the friendly section if anything.

I wouldn't be surprised if he held out for like 6M. Based on how long these talks are going and the fact it has been reported they are far apart, I can realistically see him being overpaid by at least a mil and being unable to live up to that contract.

 

[CorgisPer60]

Rielly or bust? Rielly's already several steps ahead of Trouba in his development. Not saying that Trouba is a bad player though. He's got a lot of tools and talent, but he need to get his game in check as well as his attitude, seeing as he is still holding out. I don't get players like that. Sign a short term deal and show us what your worth. Makes you wonder. He wants the long term big deal now. Maybe he's worried he won't be able to get a huge money deal in two years from now. No way you get Rielly for Trouba because Reilly is worth much more right now.

Guess Lindholm, Gaudreau, and Monahan are all characterless ******** for holding out as well, huh?

 

[leaflover]

I wouldn't be surprised if he held out for like 6M. Based on how long these talks are going and the fact it has been reported they are far apart. I can realistically see him being overpaid by atleast a mil.

That could be. I don't think that's too bad though really. I doubt many Blue Jackets or Leafs fans would have been terribly upset if their guys were getting 6.

 

[Atomos2]

That could be. I don't think that's too bad though really. I doubt many Blue Jackets or Leafs fans would have been terribly upset if their guys were getting 6.

Depends on his performance. The bigger the contract the greater the expectations.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I wouldn't be surprised if he held out for like 6M. Based on how long these talks are going and the fact it has been reported they are far apart, I can realistically see him being overpaid by at least a mil and being unable to live up to that contract.

Yeah this is pretty much my feeling as well, I'm not sure if Trouba is worth $6 million right now. But hey if DeKeyser can get $5 million from Detroit then Trouba should easily get $6 million from Winnipeg. I would be totally shocked if Trouba doesn't sign for any thing less then either 6 years $36 million or 8 years $48 million not necessarily saying that he's worth it just saying it wouldn't shock me if he didn't get it to stay in Winnipeg.

 

[Edgelord]

Guess Lindholm, Gaudreau, and Monahan are all characterless ******** for holding out as well, huh?

Are the negotiations stalled due to where Trouba feels he fits on the team and Chevy feels he fits a lil lower?

Now I 100% understand why fans don't like Gardiner as the main piece for Trouba but from a business stand point it could make sense.
Lets assume that Trouba wants 6-6.5/yr and the Jets wan't 4.5-5/yr now considering the Jets do have a budget it may make sense for them the get a LHD who is @4mil who fills a need+ an other piece like the leafs 2nd or even swapping 1sts.
Obviously Jets fans would hate it but as fans of a budget team they may understand it.

 

[buttman*]

Toronto needs to add a good prospect like marner

No they don't. Trouba is the most over-rated player on these boards. He had a good rookie season but hasn't stepped up since then. He's not a top pairing Dman. His offense will never be that of a top pairing Dman.

 

[leaflover]

Depends on his performance. The bigger the contract the greater the expectations.

You bet. Looking at it longterm his role is guaranteed to increase either immediately as he could potentially pass Myers as soon as next season on the defensemen pecking order, or failing that(my money would be on Trouba) in 3 or so years when Byfuglian hits his mid 30's.