Toronto Sports Media Discussion Thread - v7 (2022 Edition)

[Stringer Bell]

I don't really know what Jonas said that was wrong though.

 

[DarkKnight]

The main thing I really felt Jonas was off on was the goalies. Like he is assuming Woll isn’t sustainable while at the same time thinks Sammy’s play is the true him. That is contradicting yourself and being negative to be negative.

His save percentage is .917, he's acting like he's been all world, when really he's been really good, a quality starter, why isn't that sustainable? Like some posters here, he doesn't realize he's going out of way to find negativity. Maybe Woll is the real deal, he sure looks like it to me. Jonas is flushing his reputation down the toilet, the fact the show today mirrored what we've all seen and said, it just shows how obvious he is.

 

[stickty111]

I don't really know what Jonas said that was wrong though.

I think it's more of the pro Dubas stance he keeps coming back with. Even me being a Dubas supporter still, it gets tiring that Jonas brings it up in his articles and I don't blame the audience.

 

[Judas Tavares]

Jonas is also very anti-Liljegren, which I find odd particularly from him. But I guess that's one thing they at Overdrive can all agree on.

 

[rielledup]

This was always the thing that stuck with me regarding Dubas that I just couldn't ever get to like him as a GM. He was talked about the next big thing in GM'ing. Basically his shit doesn't stink. He's young, fresh, relies heavily on analytics, etc. He was going to break down the barriers of the "old boys' club" and revolutionize the GM position. Then we saw another GM just like him in Chayka get the job in Arizona and everyone's rubbing their hands in glee that this was the sea of change. And we know how that ended there.

In the end, when you were are touted with high expectations you expect big things, we still got the same results, just approached in a different manner. He talked a big game, and that comes from being able to speak eloquently, but it's not different than the typical salesperson who can bullshit his way through life just because he/she sounds good.

Sidenote: Both Mirtle and Siegel are dorks. Never could stand them. They're insufferable to read and listen to.

Curious, what makes you think Jonas is insufferable? Just because he's a stats guy?

 

[MapleLeafs77]

Siegel is literally dubas fanboy. Its awful. Same with mirtle. Like what exactly did dubas do? He won one playoff round with the core (matthews, rielly, nylander, marner) he inherited from the previous group.

They act like he won the stanley cup…..so sickening hearing about dubas.

 

[LOFIN]

Ironically, early in the week Hayes and O'Dog were all doom and gloom. O'Dog literally said, he doesn't see any patterns of what the Leafs are building towards. Now today, he's like "I don't know what they will look like when they are actually playing good but so what?". Ok?

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Ironically, early in the week Hayes and O'Dog were all doom and gloom. O'Dog literally said, he doesn't see any patterns of what the Leafs are building towards. Now today, he's like "I don't know what they will look like when they are actually playing good but so what?". Ok?

I think the main difference is Hayes and O-Dog have generally been saying they have been playing bad and below their abilities where as Jonas more so thinks this is just what the Leafs are. That is a pretty fundamental difference in opinions.

 

[Darcy Tucker]

Ironically, early in the week Hayes and O'Dog were all doom and gloom. O'Dog literally said, he doesn't see any patterns of what the Leafs are building towards. Now today, he's like "I don't know what they will look like when they are actually playing good but so what?". Ok?

Actually what Odog was saying today was he wants to see what the team looks like with an actual 6 pack of NHL dmen. Alluding to that there's two level of dmen right now a few NHL level and few AHL level players. Which is a good point because when we get that sorted out we will be scary good.

 

[hotpaws]

Jonas is just pissed his chq's from Dubas through MLSE got cut off.

 

[Squiffy]

Listening to Roger Lajoie just now heading home down the 404, I don't know what others think of him but I love listening to him. Not even sure why, but I will stop surfing channels for a show he's hosting. Kind of an old school guy I guess in an age of hot takes.

 

[CabanaBoy5]

Is Jonas Siegel really James Tanner of Editor in Leaf? Today he wrote an article where he called Treliving JFK Jr . How low can you get.

 

[stickty111]

Is Jonas Siegel really James Tanner of Editor in Leaf? Today he wrote an article where he called Treliving JFK Jr . How low can you get.

Jonas has his flaws but he wouldn't do that

 

[Maple Leaf]

Jonas is just pissed his chq's from Dubas through MLSE got cut off.

Who is jonas
I dont know these low lifes

 

[Peasy]

Siegel is literally dubas fanboy. Its awful. Same with mirtle. Like what exactly did dubas do? He won one playoff round with the core (matthews, rielly, nylander, marner) he inherited from the previous group.

They act like he won the stanley cup…..so sickening hearing about dubas.

Sounds like Jonas and mirtle been posting on this board under new aliases

 

[Warden of the North]

Siegel is lost in the weeds. He's running himself in circles trying to justify his opinion that they're worse off now then last year. It's also very disingenuous to compare the roster now to the one that played in the playoffs.

Picking Alex Kerfoot as the hill to die on sure is a strange hill to die on.

 

[Folignos Helmet]

I agree with his root arguments - we don't have a good enough D, we could use an all around 3C, and some defensive forwards to kill penalties.

Problem is his position that these are all unique problems to Tre, when they were recurring problems under Dubas. We have had these problems for years.

He is also unnecessarily negative around positive stories like Woll.

I find these Athletic types who over analyze players and depth charts fail to properly understand the implications of the cap, and the availability and amount of good players across the league. Most teams have the same holes - 3C is lacking on most teams, unless you have a model of 3 mediocre centres, and that is the tradeoff leafs have made to have 2 high end guys.

If we traded a core four all the articles would shift to our lack of high end talent. I like reading the stuff, just because i live overseas and it is a nice connection to the things i like back home like hockey, but I can't take it that seriously.

Also, given all the articles they had when Willie was hot on his contract pushing 12 scmill, where are the articles now that he is pointless in a few that it is back to 8 something

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

I’m not listening to yesterday’s OverDrive because Jonas has become insufferable, but if he’s complaining about the loss of Kerfoot of all things then he’s truly lost.

 

[Folignos Helmet]

I’m not listening to yesterday’s OverDrive because Jonas has become insufferable, but if he’s complaining about the loss of Kerfoot of all things then he’s truly lost.

haha, yep, but to give him the benefit of the doubt, he was just using him as an example of forwards who can kill penalties that we are missing.

he takes the ribbing well from Hayes and O-dog. I think he purposefully likes to take contrarian views to stir the conversation which is good for entertainment. He was also on the Soto over Ohtani train.

 

[stickty111]

Siegel is lost in the weeds. He's running himself in circles trying to justify his opinion that they're worse off now then last year. It's also very disingenuous to compare the roster now to the one that played in the playoffs.

Picking Alex Kerfoot as the hill to die on sure is a strange hill to die on.

I’m not listening to yesterday’s OverDrive because Jonas has become insufferable, but if he’s complaining about the loss of Kerfoot of all things then he’s truly lost.

He wasn't upset that Kerfoot wasn't kept. His opinion was that the team lost utility this off season, and penalty killers and he's right. They don't really have players you can trust holding a one goal lead aside from the obvious ones.
He also credited Brad in that he's always built great defences in Calgary, and hasn't had the chance to do it here because of the time he was hired.

I listened to a segment and not sure why Jonas is getting a lot of hate. He wasn't complaining about Dubas not being here. He said the additions haven't worked.

 

[Warden of the North]

He wasn't upset that Kerfoot wasn't kept. His opinion was that the team lost utility this off season, and penalty killers and he's right. They don't really have players you can trust holding a one goal lead aside from the obvious ones.
He also credited Brad in that he's always built great defences in Calgary, and hasn't had the chance to do it here because of the time he was hired.

I listened to a segment and not sure why Jonas is getting a lot of hate. He wasn't complaining about Dubas not being here. He said the additions haven't worked.

Lots of the additions have worked just fine if you put them in the context of their place in the roster. Dubas swung and missed a lot at those positions, every GM does, and Siegel is conviently forgetting that.

But it's all window dressing. The core still defines this team and it's the same as it was before. The rest is window dressing. This team will make the playoffs and Alex Kerfoot and Justin Holl vs Max Domi and Simon Benoit or whatever isn't going to be what takes us to a Cup.

 

[Warden of the North]

I don't really know what Jonas said that was wrong though.

Because Alex Kerfoot and Sam Lafferty aren't what's standing between this team and a Cup. The core must perform to their fullest when it counts. If they do, the side pieces won't matter.

 

[Judas Tavares]

I've enjoyed the Mirtle/Siegel types over the years cause they were refreshing from the Simmons and Feschuks of the world. Just trying to stir up shit with TMZ coverage. And just spouting opinions without proper analysis. I felt the Mirtle/Siegel types brought/bring in good analysis, even if sometimes they dive too deep into something that isn't really there.

The issue is Siegel of late has gone too deep/far that way and it's getting ridiculous. I think Mirtle does a good job of reeling him in if he goes off a bit.

What we need is a happy medium. Not a deep dive of charts as to why the 14th forward may be a gem, but also not constant doom and gloom because someone eats hot dogs or enjoys watching the Kardashians.

 

[Warden of the North]

I've enjoyed the Mirtle/Siegel types over the years cause they were refreshing from the Simmons and Feschuks of the world. Just trying to stir up shit with TMZ coverage. And just spouting opinions without proper analysis. I felt the Mirtle/Siegel types brought/bring in good analysis, even if sometimes they dive too deep into something that isn't really there.

The issue is Siegel of late has gone too deep/far that way and it's getting ridiculous. I think Mirtle does a good job of reeling him in if he goes off a bit.

What we need is a happy medium. Not a deep dive of charts as to why the 14th forward may be a gem, but also not constant doom and gloom because someone eats hot dogs or enjoys watching the Kardashians.

Siegel just hates everyone who isn't excellent analytically and also on a league minimum contract.

 

[TheTotalPackage]

Curious, what makes you think Jonas is insufferable? Just because he's a stats guy?

Goes beyond his incessant use of stats, which I find painstaking to listen to the same way baseball people talk about WAR the whole time.

His slobbering over Dubas, and now the slight against Treliving, highlights most what I dislike about him, just like many media heads in this city -- he is so slanted one way or the other that any sense of objectivity is thrown out the window.