tmlms13
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You prefer the NCAA that treats its "student" athletes like they are professionals ,make Billions of dollars and don't pay them a cent?
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You prefer the NCAA that treats its "student" athletes like they are professionals ,make Billions of dollars and don't pay them a cent?
keonsbitterness
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The NFL takes the best college players to play to create the best football league.
It’s strange to see someone outside the US preferring college football to the NFL. There are too many teams and they have very few competitive games each week, so unless you have ties to a school I find it a little bit different.
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The NCAA makes money off basketball, the conferences make money off football. Players are given scholarships, and prior to NIL, they were given cash payments.
tmlms13
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Ya ncaa makes billions players get a scholarship worth a couple hundred k. You think that's fair?
And the best players don't even finish half.
NIL is peanuts for what the players do, if they got cash before then it was the unofficial kind.
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Conferences get the money, not the NCAA. The money the conference makes are funneled back to the schools, that’s why Alabama football has better facilities than the even the Leafs. But that money also helps the other non revenue generating athletes.
In many states, state employees I.e. coaches can only earn so much and have limited terms on contract length. Those schools (booster clubs ) have to raise money to pay the coaches.
Jimmy Firecracker
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From OakLeafs on Twitter/X. LeBrun’s feed when you search “fair contract” from him.
He’s such a scumf*** shit-stirrer. From his puff piece about that dirty POS Bennett to laundering Babcock’s reputation I’ve gone from being indifferent to Pierre to despising him. Not reading anything from him again.
He’s such a scumf*** shit-stirrer. From his puff piece about that dirty POS Bennett to laundering Babcock’s reputation I’ve gone from being indifferent to Pierre to despising him. Not reading anything from him again.
When’s the last time the “insider” Pierre has actually broken any news ? The guy is a a joke
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What’s the issue with speculating about contracts? Seems like a pretty hot topic around here.
Jimmy Firecracker
Backcheck, Forecheck, Paycheque.
It’s the very obvious click-bait double standard. No other team or top tier player who’s got a contract negotiation upcoming/ongoing has LeBrun running towards any rival GM or executive to get their take on just how much said team should be willing to overpay. Seriously in the 4 years since Marner’s contract not one franchise has had a negotiation worth him writing about what rivals think about it? Only the Leafs and their players are worth getting on the phones for?
Plus I’d argue this is damn near close to tampering. Having NHL executives speculating on another teams player and their contract seems dodgy and could poison the waters of the negotiation.
tmlms13
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I'm well aware of all the arguments that the profits from Basketball and Football pay for other sports but there is not a chance in hell it's break even, especially the big schools.
Not to mention, if I'm the star QB at a big school, I'd be like I'm putting my body (and pro career) on the line every week so the Swim team can have a new Pool? I wouldn't give a f*** about the latest $500 million renovation to team facilities either, pay me $20m a year and I'll get a membership to Goodlife Fitness for 2 years then turn pro.
The CHL isn't much better but at least they don't pretend that their players are students. They'll (off the record) admit they're basically straight up player development. So I can respect that at least.
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Yes the Leafs have a ton of fans and are always a hot topic. I’m sure most like any info that they can get.
I don’t follow it too closely but I would think they would talk about other big name players in the same situation. Wait until the Oilers pair are eligible to re-sign.
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I don’t think you understand how it works.
The SEC distributes ~ $50 million per member school per year. How does the star QB get 20 million?
The alumni and the fans donate to the school and sports programs not too player salaries.
Plus, kids want to play. Nearly every kid in the south that plays sports wants to play in college.
Lebrun is a Toronto guy, and the Leafs are big business. He’s always going to have a focus on us, we’re news.
We need an OT NFL thread back, I might try it to see if it flies.
We need an OT NFL thread back, I might try it to see if it flies.
keonsbitterness
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It's definitely not peanuts for star players. Some are reportedly getting six or even seven figures in NIL.
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He hasn't broken any news, but he has broke wind. Live on air. It was hilarious...he blamed it on his chair. LOL
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Thankfully my Steelers finally fired their OC. Amazingly enough, this is the first time they've fired someone mid-season since 1941.
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Was thinking about you when I saw the news today
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I mean Lucic just beat his wife, allegedly.
They have the ability to earn outside of school. Schools don’t pay them. Big difference
keonsbitterness
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It's an outrage for them to blame Canada!
The NIL collectives aren't run by the schools but they do work together.
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lol some of the memes of Canada getting fired are amazing LOL
the one where they used Obama's Osama Bin Laden killed press conference was just chef's kiss
Seath The Scaleless
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The offense can't get any worse, but until Pickett learns how to throw accurately and down field, it's gonna be tough sledding. It's too bad, because the defense is so damn good.
And yes, we need an OT NFL thread haha
I'm an old man, admittedly. A lifetime ago, I knew a fair amount of inside information about the NHL due to my job(s) in the media and on the union/player rep side of things. Those days are long gone. But, even then, I fully understood that I only saw a tiny fraction of what went on behind closed doors, in locker rooms and in the GM's office.
That's why I've always found the unconditional support for Kyle Dubas amongst a small, but vocal, group of posters a puzzling phenomenon. The time and energy some individuals put into defending Dubas (a stranger who never played the game at a high level, a rookie GM who made decisions based in large part on information that's not made public) makes me think I must be missing something. It's a familiar feeling, to be fair. Personally, I thought Dubas was middling as Leafs GM. Not terrible, not great...and a bit bland and reliant on cliches with the media.
I'm not interested in the good-or-bad debate, though. It's been litigated enough as far as I'm concerned and he's no longer with the team. I'm interested in whether some of you, who know a lot more than I do, can tell me if there are any credible media figures out there in the real world that could reasonably be identified as having been truly partisan boosters for Dubas. Basically, I suspect the absolutism we see here is actually simply a localised phenomenon from a few anonymous posters and that we notice much more because we spend time on these message boards thus getting caught up in the invective and the repetition.
That said, I have heard some well known broadcasters/podcasters occasionally refer to 'Dubasites' etc. as if it's something that also exists outside of HFBoards. So, I'd like to explore that, if I may. Obviously people can say whatever they like in response, but, I'll post the following questions as a framework to (hopefully) guide the discussion:
1. What kicked it off? I was/am bewildered and disappointed in the Marner contract and first noticed it then.
2. Is anyone aware of any other NHL GM, past or current, that has received this kind of attention from fans?
3. Is there a single pundit/journalist who presented Shanahan as wholly at fault for Dubas' firing?
Hopefully, this doesn't turn into another emotive back-and-forth debating Dubas' merits or commenting on certain indivdual posters. I do have my own opinions -- but my opinions are just that: they are subjective and based on what is ultimately very limited information. You certainly won't hear me labelling my own opinions as 'correct'.
Thanks in advance for any replies.
PS: Apologies for hijacking an existing thread -- it felt too presumptuous to create a new thread (not even sure I can?) for a post most people likely aren't interested in. Happy to do that if advised by a mod that it might be worthwhile.
That's why I've always found the unconditional support for Kyle Dubas amongst a small, but vocal, group of posters a puzzling phenomenon. The time and energy some individuals put into defending Dubas (a stranger who never played the game at a high level, a rookie GM who made decisions based in large part on information that's not made public) makes me think I must be missing something. It's a familiar feeling, to be fair. Personally, I thought Dubas was middling as Leafs GM. Not terrible, not great...and a bit bland and reliant on cliches with the media.
I'm not interested in the good-or-bad debate, though. It's been litigated enough as far as I'm concerned and he's no longer with the team. I'm interested in whether some of you, who know a lot more than I do, can tell me if there are any credible media figures out there in the real world that could reasonably be identified as having been truly partisan boosters for Dubas. Basically, I suspect the absolutism we see here is actually simply a localised phenomenon from a few anonymous posters and that we notice much more because we spend time on these message boards thus getting caught up in the invective and the repetition.
That said, I have heard some well known broadcasters/podcasters occasionally refer to 'Dubasites' etc. as if it's something that also exists outside of HFBoards. So, I'd like to explore that, if I may. Obviously people can say whatever they like in response, but, I'll post the following questions as a framework to (hopefully) guide the discussion:
1. What kicked it off? I was/am bewildered and disappointed in the Marner contract and first noticed it then.
2. Is anyone aware of any other NHL GM, past or current, that has received this kind of attention from fans?
3. Is there a single pundit/journalist who presented Shanahan as wholly at fault for Dubas' firing?
Hopefully, this doesn't turn into another emotive back-and-forth debating Dubas' merits or commenting on certain indivdual posters. I do have my own opinions -- but my opinions are just that: they are subjective and based on what is ultimately very limited information. You certainly won't hear me labelling my own opinions as 'correct'.
Thanks in advance for any replies.
PS: Apologies for hijacking an existing thread -- it felt too presumptuous to create a new thread (not even sure I can?) for a post most people likely aren't interested in. Happy to do that if advised by a mod that it might be worthwhile.
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Peasy
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Geez first post in nearly 12 years after creating an account. Crazy haha.
1. I think there are a lot of factors that led into it. One being how much of a mess our front office had been before he came here, and also how it was a drastic shift from the old boys club (Burke to nonis to Lou) to a new young buck that thinks the game differently than those old heads do.
The media really hyped him up too. Constantly talking about what he's accomplished at such a young age, other teams trying to poach him before he official came our gm, promises that he was an out of the box thinker and would do stuff no other GMs would try. I think it got a lot of people excited for Kyle dubas being the gm.
Another big thing is that both mirtle and seigel, the two main leaf writers for the athletic were super pro dubas. They basically wrote articles for 5 years straight about him and hyping up everything he's done. Just look at what they were writing after he was fired, it was honestly kind of pathetic 'It doesn’t make any sense': Kyle Dubas’ dismissal leaves Maple Leafs staff confused and hurt
I think this article also feeds into the fact about "dubasites" even outside of the fandom as this piece was written like a memorial and people inside the organization were completely gutted and appalled that he was fired.
2. Only other gm that comes close to the dubas praise and probably gets more is Yzerman. I personally find Yzerman overrated and never really understood it... He's not doing the greatest in Detroit now and is kind of getting exposed imo.
3. Again l, I'd go back to mirtle and seigel. They were not happy when dubas got fired and made it seem like a doomsday scenario. I think a part of the reason they were so pro dubas is that dubas picked them as their media guys and would feed them information and insights to write about.
