Toronto Maple Leafs: Who Would Replace Kyle Dubas?

[IPS]

Is this for real?

As real as can be!

 

[TheRumble]

This is what a proper Dubas replacement looks like:

- Has an MBA and/or worked in Finance
- Analytically driven
- Degree in Finance, Economics, Math
- Isn't from the Old Boys Network
- Had prior experience as a scout

This is basically Julien Brisbois (Tampa Bay) in a nutshell

This is what HFBoards thinks a Dubas replacement should look like

- Over the age of 55
- Can't read
- Still thinks it's the 1980s

 

[ACC1224]

This is what a proper Dubas replacement looks like:

- Has an MBA and/or worked in Finance
- Analytically driven
- Degree in Finance, Economics, Math
- Isn't from the Old Boys Network
- Had prior experience as a scout

This is basically Julien Brisbois (Tampa Bay) in a nutshell

This is what HFBoards thinks a Dubas replacement should look like

- Over the age of 55
- Can't read
- Still thinks it's the 1980s

Are you putting yourself forward?

 

[francis246]

Hockey is different in Toronto.

Winning the Cup anywhere is Canada is huge and if the Leafs win the Cup, it is like Yankees winning the WS.

Not saying Raptors winning or BJs winning is small but winning the Cup is just bigger. Although I did flew back for the Raptors parade but I knew quite a few Leafs/Raptors fans that didnt. I am 100% sure if the Leafs ever win the Cup, most on these board and my friends that are not in Toronto will fly back to Toronto just for the parade.

Hockey plays a much bigger part in our culture than Basketball, Baseball or any other sports.


Euro 2004 was one of the best. At that time, Figo(legend of Portugal) was one of my fav player and I was hoping he would win but fell short at the Finals.

I don’t really find that to be true, I think the Raptors are the number one team in Toronto IMO. I think at one point Hockey used to be the biggest but I think basketball has really outgrown hockey at least in the GTA. I’ve grown up in Toronto my entire life. Have lived in Scarborough, Ajax, Bowmanville and Now back in North York and I teach in Toronto. Hockey just isn’t as big as it used to be.

I’m also in my late 20’s so it’s very possible that I’m not really grasping the magnitude of the Leafs. But not really seeing many winning seasons or playoff successes in my lifetime will do that to ya!

 

[BLONG7]

Actually I already think Dubas is gone.

Gilmour next gm

Doesn't it seem strange they have not extended him, and yet he is good to make trades that could effect next season? Or is Shanny overseeing all deals right now?

 

[Mess]

I’m also in my late 20’s so it’s very possible that I’m not really grasping the magnitude of the Leafs. But not really seeing many winning seasons or playoff successes in my lifetime will do that to ya!

You're still in the honeymoon phase of your Leafs support.

I'm already in my 60's so it’s very possible that I’m not really grasping the magnitude of the Leafs. But not really seeing many winning seasons or playoff successes in my lifetime will do that to ya!

 

[Buds17]

Doesn't it seem strange they have not extended him, and yet he is good to make trades that could effect next season? Or is Shanny overseeing all deals right now?

A GM with a contract for next season could get fired if his team ultimately fails to meet expectations by season's end. That's not a reason to hamstring his ability to make moves while he's in a position of power.

 

[Mess]

Doesn't it seem strange they have not extended him, and yet he is good to make trades that could effect next season? Or is Shanny overseeing all deals right now?

Having Dubas in a lame duck position with his future dangling in the wind is both good and bad.

It makes for a very dangerous situation where he "could" make moves that damage the future to save his own job, but it also sends the clear message that he was hired after taking over a 105 point playoff team that lost in game #7 (back in 2018), to move the team forward and he has failed miserably in that objective.

Without playoff success this year, there is no logical reason for Shanahan to extend him, if he didn't do that already.

So that means we either get playoff round success or a new GM and both outcomes are a Win-WIn for Leaf Nation. Whereas in the past it was a Loose -Loose proposition where we would both be out in round #1 and forced to endure another losing season with the same losing GM over again.

This desperate situation Dubas finds himself in is likely going to cost us our best prospect Knies and top draft pick 1st 2023, but that might be the needed and acceptable cost, to force change.

 

[showtime8]

I'd love to keep Dubas as GM. What he's done in terms of development and putting a legit roster together is impressive. I've been through the Burke and Nonis eras. Trying to make quick fixes, not really having any direction.

The only fault that I would give to Dubas is being too steadfast in his beliefs on how a hockey team will win. This also is tied with the contract situation.

 

[hotpaws]

Doesn't it seem strange they have not extended him, and yet he is good to make trades that could effect next season? Or is Shanny overseeing all deals right now?

Shanny has always been overseeing his moves , very few GM's have complete autonomy .

 

[Dekes For Days]

We were nowhere near a top-10 defensive team last year.

Yes we were. The year before that too.

 

[BLONG7]

Shanny has always been overseeing his moves , very few GM's have complete autonomy .

Does Shanny have a contract for next year? More than likely?
It did work ok for the flames, it might work out ok for the leafs and Dubas.............playoff results is obviously the key to the GM keeping his job.............
Always wondered why Shanny seems to escape with little noise made in his direction?

 

[ACC1224]

Does Shanny have a contract for next year? More than likely?
It did work ok for the flames, it might work out ok for the leafs and Dubas.............playoff results is obviously the key to the GM keeping his job.............
Always wondered why Shanny seems to escape with little noise made in his direction?

Teflon.

I recall he signed a pretty long extension a year or two ago.

 

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Shanahan signed a six year contract in 2019, ending in 2024-25.

 

[ShaneFalco]

We haven't won a playoff round since he's taken over. This team is supposed to be a contender btw

I don't know how this is "having it good". It's not a hard job getting good regular season results when you inherit the talent that he did so I wouldn't say he's the reason we have it good there either

Some have set the bar pretty low. I wonder if Bills fans are ok with being great in the regular season and failing in the playoffs each year

 

[BLONG7]

Teflon.

I recall he signed a pretty long extension a year or two ago.

If Dubas and the Leafs don't make noise this year in the playoffs, could Shanny be on his way out too?

 

[ACC1224]

If Dubas and the Leafs don't make noise this year in the playoffs, could Shanny be on his way out too?

If that were to happen I believe Keefe will be sacrificed, Dubas will get one more kick at it and Shanahan won't even be thought of.

 

[Gilmour1996]

This is what a proper Dubas replacement looks like:

- Has an MBA and/or worked in Finance
- Analytically driven
- Degree in Finance, Economics, Math
- Isn't from the Old Boys Network
- Had prior experience as a scout

Those might be qualifications #2-6 but you forgot to list qualification #1 which is far more important to MLSE and has no bearing on winning.

 

[Racer88]

Having Dubas in a lame duck position with his future dangling in the wind is both good and bad.

It makes for a very dangerous situation where he "could" make moves that damage the future to save his own job, but it also sends the clear message that he was hired after taking over a 105 point playoff team that lost in game #7 (back in 2018), to move the team forward and he has failed miserably in that objective.

Without playoff success this year, there is no logical reason for Shanahan to extend him, if he didn't do that already.

So that means we either get playoff round success or a new GM and both outcomes are a Win-WIn for Leaf Nation. Whereas in the past it was a Loose -Loose proposition where we would both be out in round #1 and forced to endure another losing season with the same losing GM over again.

This desperate situation Dubas finds himself in is likely going to cost us our best prospect Knies and top draft pick 1st 2023, but that might be the needed and acceptable cost, to force change.

I’m betting that without a contract all deals will require approval from upstairs

 

[Throw More Waffles]

This is what a proper Dubas replacement looks like:

- Has an MBA and/or worked in Finance
- Analytically driven
- Degree in Finance, Economics, Math
- Isn't from the Old Boys Network
- Had prior experience as a scout

This is basically Julien Brisbois (Tampa Bay) in a nutshell

This is what HFBoards thinks a Dubas replacement should look like

- Over the age of 55
- Can't read
- Still thinks it's the 1980s

The whole ultra-woke "I'm going to be best friends with all the players" Dubas approach is likely the typical NHL gm in the not-too-distant future.

Dubas was just ahead of his time. Shark agents walked all over him, and players don't respect him.

Dubas replaced "old dinosaur" Lou who's still stuck in the 80's.... and the team he went to has won SIX playoff rounds since with nowhere NEAR the star power of the leafs. Dubas zero playoff rounds.

I'd replace Dubas with something in between. The league isn't ready for "best friend" gm's yet, but probably is moving away from the old-fashioned guys.

 

[Skullz]

Either extend Dubas or bring in Tulsky. Dubie has made a lot of mistakes, but he has also learned. Drafts well.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I've also been a fan of this franchise for a very long time. Not as long as you, but long enough to remember the amazing 93 run with that awesome team and its still my all-time favorite Leafs memory with how well they played and how much the city was behind that team.

With regards to the current team and their losses in the playoffs sure I'm not happy with it, but at the same time I'm happy with the overall direction of the Leafs more than I have been for many, many years. Although the Leafs have had more playoff success in the past under other GMs, I believe Dubas has done really good job in turning this franchise around and build not only a pretty good current team, but also setting up the Leafs for continued long term success with a pretty promising prospect pool.

I can't remember a time when the Leafs have had as many promising prospects to look forward to and have gotten me interested in following their progress as we're seeing now. Who knows if they'll all turn into NHL players in the future or not, but at least a number of them are looking pretty good so far. Looking back at the team's prospect pool in the past 20+ years when have the Leafs ever had as many decent players to look forward to as we do now?

Also the main reason I support Dubas is because he's made more moves that I've agreed with or don't really dislike compared to most other GMs that the Leafs have had in the past couple of decades. This makes me wonder how old many of the people who complain about Dubas and want him gone are because if they dislike some of the trades and other moves he's made, then I'm curious how they'd feel about some of the moves made by past Leafs GMs that were far worse and have set the franchise back much more than anything that Dubas has done to date.

Yeah I'm happy with most everything, just not the playoff losses. Unlike you, I also have agreed with most of the moves he's made and based on all that, I'd be fine with extending him today. At the same time, I can't help but wonder sometimes if there's maybe something he doesn't quite get and because of this, he's unable to fix whatever it is that's wrong with this team. Or maybe there's nothing wrong and we'll be cup champs in a few months, who the hell knows.

 

[PromisedLand]

The whole ultra-woke "I'm going to be best friends with all the players" Dubas approach is likely the typical NHL gm in the not-too-distant future.

Dubas was just ahead of his time. Shark agents walked all over him, and players don't respect him.

Dubas replaced "old dinosaur" Lou who's still stuck in the 80's.... and the team he went to has won SIX playoff rounds since with nowhere NEAR the star power of the leafs. Dubas zero playoff rounds.

I'd replace Dubas with something in between. The league isn't ready for "best friend" gm's yet, but probably is moving away from the old-fashioned guys.

IMO ideal GM is someone who is in between and has always been the case.

A good GM is not a insufferable I am better than you kinda guy and he also not someone who is buddy-buddy with the players.

Someone in the middle, who is even keel, self critical and makes judgment calls with a foresight for the betterment of the club.

GM's primary priority, for which he gets paid is "betterment of the franchise". That should be the primary focus. GM should be able to adjust depending on the circumstances

 

[Lemontree]

Either extend Dubas or bring in Tulsky. Dubie has made a lot of mistakes, but he has also learned. Drafts well.

Are there examples of either of these? Drafts well is always thrown around.....where are his draft picks? So far he has contributed a bottom pairing Dman (Sandin) and a 4th line C (Holmberg) half through his 1st NHL season.

Every fan likes their prospects pool while their players are in junior hockey. Credit should be given once these players actually get to the NHL, stick and provide value for the NHL club.

 

[Apex Predator]

Are there examples of either of these? Drafts well is always thrown around.....where are his draft picks? So far he has contributed a bottom pairing Dman (Sandin) and a 4th line C (Holmberg) half through his 1st NHL season.

Every fan likes their prospects pool while their players are in junior hockey. Credit should be given once these players actually get to the NHL, stick and provide value for the NHL club.

He did draft Sean Durzi so I would add him to the list. As of right now yes only those 3 with hopes of more. I don’t count Howell, Kral or SDA as there sample size is too small. Robertson is still wait and and see.