Toronto Maple Leafs: Who Would Replace Kyle Dubas?

[LeafsNation75]

One trade, so what. That doesn’t warrant a fan club right away.
Don’t get me wrong, I could care less about who is the GM as long as the Leafs win a Cup. I even said it on other threads that as a lot of people are criticizing Dubas’s roster, if this roster win the Cup, Dubas deserves as much credits as our Conn Symthe winner.
I just don’t get the fascination of Dubas’s followers, that’s all.

I was just using that as an example of a trade which had a major contribution to the Leafs in a positive way.

Hunter was listening to his boss Shanny who had the apple of his eye Dubas whispering inefficiencies in his ear .

sad how your trying to shift away from a draft strategy Dubas was endlessly spewing in the media to deflect away from his incompetence

It was Hunter who had the final call on who the Leafs drafted in 2015, 2016, and 2017.

Don't get me wrong selecting Marner 4th overall in 2015 was the right call, Matthews 1st overall in 2016 was the most obvious move, and Liljegren 17th overall in 2017 was a nice surprise.

It was Hunter's picks between the 2nd - 7th rounds that haven't looked as good.

 

[Gilmour1996]

Meghan Chayka could be a candidate.

https://twitter.com/MeghanChayka

 

[hotpaws]

No I don't but I'm talking to somebody who can't post while the team is winning and has no constructive solutions or ideas on anything.

that's a you problem I'm afraid.

the teams has done well all year so i have no idea wtf your talking about

the only reason i've posted less this season is the constant whining about the refs and the media and other fan basis and the playoff format among other things has gone over the top and it's boring

 

[Gabriel426]

I was just using that as an example of a trade which had a major contribution to the Leafs in a positive way.

I never said Dubas didn’t though.
All GMs, unless some really horrible one, will have good and bad trades, sign good and bad contracts, draft and develop good and bad prospects…..
What’s makes the GM stands out is assembling a team that win the Cup. All the trades, signings, draft picks and all the gambles are determine by how close is the team to the Cup.

 

[francis246]

Probably Ryan Hardy to be honest. Guys already internal, pretty good talent evaluator. Young and up and coming

 

[Gallagbi]

I just don’t get the fascination of Dubas’s followers, that’s all.

They probably like the all stars we have and setting franchise records. Id trade it for a cup, but theres no guarantee that happens with a firing (or without one).

This board has always had a divide in GMs, even back to about Fletcher. Jfj was mostly a scale of how much fault and how bad

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

that's fine but what does that have to do with Marleau dictating his exist out of Toronto ?

do you actually believe Marleau and his agent would have even tried strong arming Lou like they did with Dubas ?

Why do people think that Lou is this hardass that you can't win a negotiation with? He has signed horrible contracts with every team he has managed including today's signing.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Leafs were silly to leave this until now, and now we have to hope Dubas won't leave.

Hope Doobler won’t leave?

This was his only real job, ever. When he’s finally fired, security will have to drag him out.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Hope Doobler won’t leave?

This was his only real job, ever. When he’s finally fired, security will have to drag him out.

lol

 

[Gabriel426]

Outscored Tampa in last year’s series and didn’t win (somehow). Scorers didn’t show up against Columbus, and melted down against MTL. Flat cap and covid isn’t an excuse, it’s reality.

He’s drafted well, made some prudent FA signings, and been a net plus for the organization, in general.

Kyle can’t lace’em up and do the job for the guys on the ice.

Well, the guys he signed, drafted and developed could not score and could not win. Won’t that mean he signed, drafted and developed the wrong players or at the very least didn’t assemble a team that can win.

 

[francis246]

Well, the guys he signed, drafted and developed could not score and could not win. Won’t that mean he signed, drafted and developed the wrong players or at the very least didn’t assemble a team that can win.

Kyle didn’t draft Matthews, Nylander or Marner. Really the only picks of Kyle’s that have had some sort of impact in our lineup is Sandin and Holmberg I believe.

 

[Gabriel426]

Kyle didn’t draft Matthews, Nylander or Marner. Really the only picks of Kyle’s that have had some sort of impact in our lineup is Sandin and Holmberg I believe.

He did resigned them.

Everyone on the Leafs are either drafted, signed(UFAs or extension), traded and developed by Dubas, Reilly’s contract was the last contract.
This team is Dubas’s team bc he wants all these players on the team. If he really didn’t like AM, MM and Willie or guys he didn’t draft, he would trade them for players he thinks that can win.

Like I said, if this team win the Cup, Dubas deserves as much credit as our Conn Symthe winner while at the same time, if this team fails to advance past the first round again, Dubas is at much fault as the players bc these are the players he assembled.

 

[Gabriel426]

They probably like the all stars we have and setting franchise records. Id trade it for a cup, but theres no guarantee that happens with a firing (or without one).

This board has always had a divide in GMs, even back to about Fletcher. Jfj was mostly a scale of how much fault and how bad

Well it is normal to have a divide in opinions since we do live in a free society and not some place like China where any different opinions from the govt means treason.

I am just fascinated that some here will go to great lengths to state Dubas can’t really do any wrongs.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Well it is normal to have a divide in opinions since we do live in a free society and not some place like China where any different opinions from the govt means treason.

I am just fascinated that some here will go to great lengths to state Dubas can’t really do any wrongs.

I think it goes along with the bad GM's and moves we have seen prior to the Shanahan era, and the extreme criticism Dubas has gotten. Yes he's made some bad moves but there have been good things as well. So the over the top criticism on one end of the spectrum gets countered by the extreme justification of everything that he does. And then there are a bunch of quiet people in the middle who can see both sides because the reality is that he's a solid GM that has done a nice job in multiple aspects. But the negative is all compounded by a lack of playoff success.

Following the Tavares signing, Dubas has changed everything around the core of this team in his tenure - from overhauling the blue line, to new goalies, to new depth forwards. Some of it received a lot of praise as a contending roster, only to fall flat.

At the end of the day Dubas has hitched his wagon to the big 4. And he'll ride or die with their success or lack thereof. Those pieces are hard to move because they could easily blow up in another market as we have seen with guys like Kadri. But you can't look at the group's failure and not seriously look at a major shake up. I don't think Dubas has that sort of mentality. So he'll go down with them.

 

[Gabriel426]

I think it goes along with the bad GM's and moves we have seen prior to the Shanahan era, and the extreme criticism Dubas has gotten. Yes he's made some bad moves but there have been good things as well. So the over the top criticism on one end of the spectrum gets countered by the extreme justification of everything that he does. And then there are a bunch of quiet people in the middle who can see both sides because the reality is that he's a solid GM that has done a nice job in multiple aspects. But the negative is all compounded by a lack of playoff success.

Following the Tavares signing, Dubas has changed everything around the core of this team in his tenure - from overhauling the blue line, to new goalies, to new depth forwards. Some of it received a lot of praise as a contending roster, only to fall flat.

At the end of the day Dubas has hitched his wagon to the big 4. And he'll ride or die with their success or lack thereof. Those pieces are hard to move because they could easily blow up in another market as we have seen with guys like Kadri. But you can't look at the group's failure and not seriously look at a major shake up. I don't think Dubas has that sort of mentality. So he'll go down with them.

That’s really fair and pretty much what I think too.

When people say fire Dubas….it means they want change not just from the top but also the players.
If there is more playoffs failure, Dubas or the new GMs got to shake up our core 5, bc if the core 5 remains, I just don’t see the point of making any changes. Unless it is someone like Trotz who might be able to convince the core to play his way, but that’s a big if.
Personally, Dubas have not done anything that give me confidence about trading one of the core 5 for pieces that can lead the Leafs to win the Cup.
Having said all that, I do see the growth in Dubas, from thinking he is outside of the box and smarter than his peers to realizing what his team needs and admitting he prior direction just can’t cut it.

 

[Byron Bitz]

Probably somebody worse.

Leafs were silly to leave this until now, and now we have to hope Dubas won't leave.

Seems likely he'll stay though. Seems like the type to want to finish what he's started.

Either way, this is an offseason discussion.

I actually think it’s better we hash this out before the playoffs because afterwards people will be too emotional to think straight

 

[Leaf Fans]

Well it is normal to have a divide in opinions since we do live in a free society and not some place like China where any different opinions from the govt means treason.

I am just fascinated that some here will go to great lengths to state Dubas can’t really do any wrongs.

No one has ever stated that Dubas can't do anything wrong. That is something that is attributed to posters.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

What has Trotz ever built?


You’re seeing it in NYI.

Long long long before you were born Lou was winning cups in NJ. He was making bold decisions (too many to list), and creating a legendary career. To come along and say that a few years with the NYI is his body of work is just spiteful/arguing for the sake of arguing. I don't love Wayne Gretzky, but I would never attempt to chop down his legendary career and say that his time as head coach of Arizona is his body of work.

 

[LeafsNation75]

I think it goes along with the bad GM's and moves we have seen prior to the Shanahan era, and the extreme criticism Dubas has gotten. Yes he's made some bad moves but there have been good things as well. So the over the top criticism on one end of the spectrum gets countered by the extreme justification of everything that he does. And then there are a bunch of quiet people in the middle who can see both sides because the reality is that he's a solid GM that has done a nice job in multiple aspects. But the negative is all compounded by a lack of playoff success.

Following the Tavares signing, Dubas has changed everything around the core of this team in his tenure - from overhauling the blue line, to new goalies, to new depth forwards. Some of it received a lot of praise as a contending roster, only to fall flat.

At the end of the day Dubas has hitched his wagon to the big 4. And he'll ride or die with their success or lack thereof. Those pieces are hard to move because they could easily blow up in another market as we have seen with guys like Kadri. But you can't look at the group's failure and not seriously look at a major shake up. I don't think Dubas has that sort of mentality. So he'll go down with them.

Even though Kadri ended up winning a Stanley Cup with Colorado, at the time he was traded I think Dubas realized he couldn't take a chance and see him get a third playoff suspension with the Leafs. If you go back to the 2021 playoffs that's exactly what happened with Kadri, when he got suspended 8 games for this hit.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Yup. Cousins is a total coward and no team with him will ever win anything.

Eric Joyce, who was Director Of Hockey Operations and Head Of Pro Scouting

Saying nobody could be worse than Dubas is completely ridiculous.

Who was this "best internal candidate" that they fired?

This was the original statement, big and bold so perhaps you can remember it this time:

"It doesn't matter who replaces him so long as he's gone."

Do be clear, I find that to be a ridiculous assertion, and equally ridiculous if for you to interpret that as saying "keep him because it could be worse" .

Saying nobody could be worse than Dubas is completely ridiculous.

Who was this "best internal candidate" that they fired?

This was the original statement, big and bold so perhaps you can remember it this time:

"It doesn't matter who replaces him so long as he's gone."

Do be clear, I find that to be a ridiculous assertion, and equally ridiculous if for you to interpret that as saying "keep him because it could be worse" .

I remember the original statement fine thanks. I wrote it. I didn't say "keep him cause it could be worse". That was someone else. If you're going to be rude at least be right.

They fired Eric Joyce, who was Director Of Hockey Strategy and Head Of Pro Scouting. He was AGM of Florida Panthers previously and GM of their farm team.

But keep pretending you follow the team and know so much.

Who did they fire?

Eric Joyce, Director Of Hockey Operations and Head Of Pro Scouting. He was AGM of Florida and GM of their AHL previous to coming to Toronto.

Just google Leafs hire Joyce and you can read all about him.

 

[AllHeartNoSkill]

Is ChatGPT an option?

 

[francis246]

He did resigned them.

Everyone on the Leafs are either drafted, signed(UFAs or extension), traded and developed by Dubas, Reilly’s contract was the last contract.
This team is Dubas’s team bc he wants all these players on the team. If he really didn’t like AM, MM and Willie or guys he didn’t draft, he would trade them for players he thinks that can win.

Like I said, if this team win the Cup, Dubas deserves as much credit as our Conn Symthe winner while at the same time, if this team fails to advance past the first round again, Dubas is at much fault as the players bc these are the players he assembled.

I’m not a Dubas defender by any means. I’m just simply pointing out those players were not drafted by Dubas. He did resign them though

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Eric Joyce, who was Director Of Hockey Operations and Head Of Pro Scouting




I remember the original statement fine thanks. I wrote it. I didn't say "keep him cause it could be worse". That was someone else. If you're going to be rude at least be right.

They fired Eric Joyce, who was Director Of Hockey Strategy and Head Of Pro Scouting. He was AGM of Florida Panthers previously and GM of their farm team.

But keep pretending you follow the team and know so much.


Eric Joyce, Director Of Hockey Operations and Head Of Pro Scouting. He was AGM of Florida and GM of their AHL previous to coming to Toronto.

Just google Leafs hire Joyce and you can read all about him.

I'm confused, is there a reason you quoted me here? I had nothing to do with the exchange you're talking about.

 

[Anthrax442]

Kadri was the forgotten toy forever, till he had one good season last year and now suddenly he is this "biggest mistake ever". There is a reason he was traded away, the organization was done with his shenanigans.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Can't be any worse.

Saying nobody could be worse than Dubas is completely ridiculous.

I remember the original statement fine thanks. I wrote it. I didn't say "keep him cause it could be worse". That was someone else. If you're going to be rude at least be right.

Your memory is flawed. Your original statement is posted above, along with my response to you if you'd care to read it again. If you're going to be condescending ...