Rants Mulliniks
Registered User
- Jun 22, 2008
- 23,163
- 6,212
Toronto Maple Leafs: Who Would Replace Kyle Dubas?
- Thread starter Osmows OReilly
- Start date
-
Xenforo Cloud will be upgrading us to version 2.3.5 on March 3rd at 12 AM GMT. This version has increased stability and fixes several bugs. We expect downtime for the duration of the update. The admin team will continue to work on existing issues, templates and upgrade all necessary available addons to minimize impact of this new version. Click Here for Updates
TheGreenTBer
Paula Deen does bath salts
- Apr 30, 2021
- 10,230
- 12,575
Yup. Cousins is a total coward and no team with him will ever win anything.
Rants Mulliniks
Registered User
- Jun 22, 2008
- 23,163
- 6,212
ShaneFalco
Registered User
You don't reward years and years of failure. Worst case hire an interim GM. But the "keep him because it could be worse" - loser mentality
And again I don't have a staff of hockey people to access who may be out there. Culture change sadly needed again.
Rants Mulliniks
Registered User
- Jun 22, 2008
- 23,163
- 6,212
Why would you need a whole staff to put forward specific examples of what you would do?
keonsbitterness
Registered User
That was good.
Pretty easily. If you're making our players available, by extension you're making opposing players available. You don't have to be a a GM to make a trade proposal on a fan forum. Making one that won't get shot down by a bunch of other posters is the hard part.
Dude was totally fearless in getting a great agent.
TheGreenTBer
Paula Deen does bath salts
- Apr 30, 2021
- 10,230
- 12,575
I can't comment on Dubas, and JFJ's hands were definitely tied, but I don't buy for a minute that Brian Burke would have ever wanted a rebuild in the first place so I don't believe he deserves that benefit of the doubt.but he will also face NHL competition with opposition so to be seen I guess.
I remember everyone was pretty high on jeremy bracco including myself until that thing went to hell. Hoping Knies pans out but exercising optimism cautiously
Context!!!
Burke was not allowed to rebuild by Teacher Pension Plan same with JFJ.
situations are not comparable. Not saying Burke would be great but such blanket statements without context should be made with caution
JFJ was handcuffed but the moves he did make were often terrible, so he deserves.to be both vilified and understood. The Rask trade makes the Kessel trade with Boston look like a f***ing party by comparison though.
At least neither one of them signed literally the wrong f***ing Avalanche defenseman like Fletcher did though lol
ShaneFalco
Registered User
But we can't say what we wouldn't do? So we have to work through this with an $11mil 2nd line centre on our team?
hotpaws
Registered User
- Nov 21, 2009
- 22,088
- 6,661
-I wouldn't have signed JT and if you believe that's hindsight you can take a look at my post history to see what i thought of him long before he signed here
-i wouldn't draft based on inefficiencies (smurfs/overagers)
-i would have outbid Boston for Lindholm
-i wouldn't have caved like a weak bitch to Marleau which cost us a 1st and a quality player
-i would have drafted Guhle or Schneider (whoever the scouts liked best) instead of Amirov and that has nothing to do with his illness and more to do with all 3 being rated relatively similarly and our need being for a quality D
i could go on and on but it doesn't mean shit , all GM's make good and bad deals but Dubie crippled himself off the bat with the JT signing , he wasn't a need and he wasn't worth anywhere near what he got regardless of how hard people try to make him something he never was and that's why this team is spinning it's wheels
Just want to say, thank god you have no influence.
You think Schneider is good, he is a terrible #5/6 right now.
You have no grasp on the Marleau situation.
Lindholm has cooled off A LOT.
We don't draft that way, they take the BPA.
Tavares is the only good point, he's overpaid for sure.
LeafsNation75
Registered User
It wasn't Dubas who signed Marleau to that 3 year contract, that is 100% on Lou Lamoriello.
Yes, it's fair to give Dubas criticism for the trading of Marleau's contract and how that happened. However, it was also reported that Dubas talked to the Kings about trading for Marleau and keeping him, so it would have been a traditional trade. However, Marleau only wanted to play for San Jose and had control with his NTC.
hotpaws
Registered User
- Nov 21, 2009
- 22,088
- 6,661
had he not signed Tavares he wouldn't have had to trade Marleau and could have let him sit and rot if he wasn't being reasonable and yes i know it was Lou who signed him but Lou also inherited bad deals on the island and it didn't cost him a fairly high 1st to dump them
LeafsNation75
Registered User
When Marleau signed I remember someone from TSN saying that 3rd year was going to cost the Leafs and they were right.
When Tavares signed I don't remember anyone saying similar compared to the immediate reaction when Marleau signed.
Even Mike Babcock admitted that Marleau wasn't going to play the 3rd and final year.
Babcock on Marleau: 'Math didn't work out' - TSN.ca
According to head coach Mike Babcock, the Toronto Maple Leafs knew when they signed veteran winger Patrick Marleau in 2017 that he wouldn't be with the team for the final season of his three-year contract. Marleau will make his return to Toronto Friday night as a member of the San Jose Sharks.
www.tsn.ca
hotpaws
Registered User
- Nov 21, 2009
- 22,088
- 6,661
Dubas said many times they've drafted bpa based on inefficiencies , now i never never meant every draft pick but many of them and that's why he drafted so many smurfs and overagers .
and my grasp on the Marleau situation is just fine , it's not based however on making excuses for an incompetent GM
Its not your fault
Registered User
- Nov 24, 2016
- 1,917
- 532
It would be fantastic if it was myself, if I do say so.
Marleau only signs with the 3rd year on the deal. Then we would have an old Bozak and JVR and no Tavares.
When Marleau signed I remember someone from TSN saying that 3rd year was going to cost the Leafs and they were right.
When Tavares signed I don't remember anyone saying similar compared to the immediate reaction when Marleau signed.
Even Mike Babcock admitted that Marleau wasn't going to play the 3rd and final year.
Babcock on Marleau: 'Math didn't work out' - TSN.ca
According to head coach Mike Babcock, the Toronto Maple Leafs knew when they signed veteran winger Patrick Marleau in 2017 that he wouldn't be with the team for the final season of his three-year contract. Marleau will make his return to Toronto Friday night as a member of the San Jose Sharks.
Marleau only signs with the 3rd year on the deal. Then we would have an old Bozak and JVR and no Tavares.
Gary Nylund
Registered User
- Oct 10, 2013
- 31,622
- 25,415
Saying nobody could be worse than Dubas is completely ridiculous.
Who was this "best internal candidate" that they fired?
This was the original statement, big and bold so perhaps you can remember it this time:
"It doesn't matter who replaces him so long as he's gone."
Do be clear, I find that to be a ridiculous assertion, and equally ridiculous if for you to interpret that as saying "keep him because it could be worse" .
hotpaws
Registered User
- Nov 21, 2009
- 22,088
- 6,661
When Marleau signed I remember someone from TSN saying that 3rd year was going to cost the Leafs and they were right.
When Tavares signed I don't remember anyone saying similar compared to the immediate reaction when Marleau signed.
Even Mike Babcock admitted that Marleau wasn't going to play the 3rd and final year.
Babcock on Marleau: 'Math didn't work out' - TSN.ca
According to head coach Mike Babcock, the Toronto Maple Leafs knew when they signed veteran winger Patrick Marleau in 2017 that he wouldn't be with the team for the final season of his three-year contract. Marleau will make his return to Toronto Friday night as a member of the San Jose Sharks.
that's fine but what does that have to do with Marleau dictating his exist out of Toronto ?
do you actually believe Marleau and his agent would have even tried strong arming Lou like they did with Dubas ?
LeafsNation75
Registered User
In the 2016 draft when Toronto had the first pick in each round, in the 2nd round Mark Hunter selected Egor Korshkov 31st overall. He previously went undrafted in 2014 and 2015, so what the hell was Hunter doing selecting him 31st overall in the 2nd round? Some players Hunter passed on with that pick was Jordan Kyrou selected 35th overall and Alex Debrincat selected 39th overall.
No I don't but I'm talking to somebody who can't post while the team is winning and has no constructive solutions or ideas on anything.
that's a you problem I'm afraid.
LeafsNation75
Registered User
Marleau and his agent got Lamoriello to cave on giving him a 3 year contract, when San Jose was only offering him a 2 year contract. What would you call that?
One trade, so what. That doesn’t warrant a fan club right away.When Zach Hyman's rights were traded from the Panthers to the Leafs, it was Dubas who was responsible for that happening.
That happened when him and Mark Hunter were the Interim CO-General Managers, so he should get the credit for brining Hyman to the Leafs origination.
Dubas details first Maple Leafs trade, GM meeting: ‘I was scared’
www.sportsnet.ca
Dubas also rehashed the emotions surrounding his first NHL trade, which was consummated that same month.
Florida Panthers GM Dale Tallon held a University of Michigan wing prospect named Zach Hyman, a Toronto native Dubas had his eye on. In exchange, Tallon wanted a young checking centre in the Leafs’ system, Greg McKegg.
“At first, I thought it was some type of setup to pull one over, but in getting to know Dale, he was just trying to be helpful. And it ended up working out for them and for us,” Dubas said, modestly avoiding to name the players involved.
“[Tallon] was great to deal with. I don’t think you could ask for somebody more straightforward and blunt about their position on it. It was kind of refreshing and actually very helpful to me, because he recognized it was my first trade.”
We score Dubas’s first trade as a win for the Maple Leafs. Hyman has established himself as a fixture of Toronto’s top six, while Florida waived McKegg in 2017.
Don’t get me wrong, I could care less about who is the GM as long as the Leafs win a Cup. I even said it on other threads that as a lot of people are criticizing Dubas’s roster, if this roster win the Cup, Dubas deserves as much credits as our Conn Symthe winner.
I just don’t get the fascination of Dubas’s followers, that’s all.
Hmmm, you can DM me, lol
hotpaws
Registered User
- Nov 21, 2009
- 22,088
- 6,661
Hunter was listening to his boss Shanny who had the apple of his eye Dubas whispering inefficiencies in his ear .
sad how your trying to shift away from a draft strategy Dubas was endlessly spewing in the media to deflect away from his incompetence
