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Then they should have made changes after last season, but they didn’t.
Toronto Maple Leafs: Who Would Replace Kyle Dubas?
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GM: Don Cherry
Head Coach: Tiger Williams
Go sign Pastaneck Grapes!!!
Head Coach: Tiger Williams
Go sign Pastaneck Grapes!!!
Then im more likely to exit and blow it up. The question is how close are we to a cup.
Id worry about the mental block, like i do now. But last year gave me some hope where i was very down and defeated on the prior 2 losses.
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Larcos_Unal
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I'm saying 'next regime' cause everything Dubas has shown has told me he thinks he's right and only luck has been the factor in their 1st round losses. He's way too stubborn to change the course cause the primary factor in his decisions is being smart and being right.
I am honestly torn about what should be done with Dubas after this year. I mean he's got a great track record in the regular season and the team has set team records for points. On the other hand, his roster construction is specifically designed for regular season success and not for playoff success. It's possible that he gets let off the hook on a technicality:
"Hey my team set all kinds of records and I never missed the playoffs once in my tenure...disregard the fact that the playoffs are a different beast altogether and the very team I put together can both be great in regular season, and lack heart & will for a long playoff run."
That trade showed that there were chinks in Dubas' armor, he could have had Hall for a 2nd but took a guy on the decline with a 1st plus. Not a good trade the second he accepted it, the second I saw Foligno put on the blue and white, and especially when we realized he was damaged goods.
Larcos_Unal
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Go get Casey Tzatziki from the Islander while you're at it, good Canadian boy who hits everything in sight.
LET'S GO!!!
Racer88
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To me, it always come down to the question, can our core do it collectively. Since they got the talents but is it just a mental thing or the right mix or they are just great players but not winners or a combination of the above.
That’s a more important question.
I could be wrong but MM won the Memorial Cup but didn’t do that well in the WJC and did okay in the WC. Willie was really good in the WJC and if wasn’t for McD and Team Canada, he would have led the Swedes to Gold and be MVP of the tournament. Willie also won MVP in the WC.
JT won countless stuff but the one like World Cup of Hockey, he was not a core piece then but did play an important role in Sochi until he got injured.
Don’t recall AM winning WJC or leading team USA in WJC.
Now I am not pointing finger at who is not a winner and should be traded….but it is something that needed to look at.
Having said all that, I still believe the boys can do it collectively bc Gio chose to stay with this team and I am 100% sure Gio wants to chase the Cup and he can join any top teams in the summer.
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I think he will make the team but only for him to have a feel of the game instead of coming in and playing some type of role.
Absolutely well balanced. They have a lot more than 4 talented players. They are good offensively, good defensively, and have good goaltending. That's the definition of well balanced.
Yeah, you can't rewrite that story. We all lived through 2015. We all know the connection between Marner and Hunter, but we all also know that he did not make a unanimous decision on a franchise-defining 4th overall, and that there were internal discussions about who to draft, which would include co-GM Dubas. I don't know why you would think that Hunter is the only person in the world who liked Marner. It's not like he was some diamond in the rough. He was a lottery pick that was one of the most dynamic prospects drafted in the cap era.
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It doesn’t have to be a dinosaur but maybe it could be someone like one of the countless GMs that have won a cup in the almost 2 decades it’s been since we have won even a single round.
Kyle Dubas is the only non-dinosaur hockey person in the whole wide world. It's either him or a dinosaur. That's the fear mongering from the Dubas fan club.
Racer88
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Lol, so true.
the next response wil be “name someone”
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Maybe, but I don’t think management is pinning their hopes on him playing in the top six this season.
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I think Ryan Hardy will eventually make a great GM but hasn't been at the pro level long enough.
Problem is if you replace Dubas, you are pretty much looking at other candidates who are rookies or other veteran GMs who have warts as well. There isn't a guy out there who is the perfect GM. I lean closer to an up and Comer like Sakic and Yzerman who played the game somewhat recently, have a Guage on what it's like in the room and on the ice these days as opposed to guys like Lou, Rutherford or Burke where the game might have passed them by. Spezza is that guy that I think will be that guy some day. He was in the NHL just last year, great leader, is an absolute hockey nerd and still seems driven. But he wouldn't be sniffing that kind of role for probably another 4 yrs.
Problem is if you replace Dubas, you are pretty much looking at other candidates who are rookies or other veteran GMs who have warts as well. There isn't a guy out there who is the perfect GM. I lean closer to an up and Comer like Sakic and Yzerman who played the game somewhat recently, have a Guage on what it's like in the room and on the ice these days as opposed to guys like Lou, Rutherford or Burke where the game might have passed them by. Spezza is that guy that I think will be that guy some day. He was in the NHL just last year, great leader, is an absolute hockey nerd and still seems driven. But he wouldn't be sniffing that kind of role for probably another 4 yrs.
hotpaws
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you tell em Nooodles because if loving Dubas is wrong , i never want to be right , lol
Weird you didn't mention a single player.
Matthews, Nylander, Marner, and Rielly should all be going if we are going with your "insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results".
We should have grabbed Ken Holland.
Stevie Y wouldn't have fit the criteria, so forget him.
Stan Bowman could maybe come in.
Doug Armstrong switched jobs recently, and Arizona is looking good so far.
Rutherfurd won one recently, we could have brought him in.
Birsebois and Sakic don't fit the criteria so they wouldn't have been good.
Peter Chiarelli normally turns teams around, he would have been a good one.
You're probably right. A new group of players with different attributes at a more effective price point may be the answer. This group isnt....
Dubas inherited a group of losers and should be given time to change them, we finally agree, thank you.
Maybe we can just hire a computer program . No need for an actual person. We can spearhead a complete change in the sport.
ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
LOL. He has been here since all were drafted and has been GM coming up on 5 years. Plenty of time to change them but he "bet everything" on them. If they fail again, your boy needs to fall on his sword.
