Toronto Maple Leafs: Who Would Replace Kyle Dubas?

[geo25]

I think Ryan Hardy will eventually make a great GM but hasn't been at the pro level long enough.

Problem is if you replace Dubas, you are pretty much looking at other candidates who are rookies or other veteran GMs who have warts as well. There isn't a guy out there who is the perfect GM. I lean closer to an up and Comer like Sakic and Yzerman who played the game somewhat recently, have a Guage on what it's like in the room and on the ice these days as opposed to guys like Lou, Rutherford or Burke where the game might have passed them by. Spezza is that guy that I think will be that guy some day. He was in the NHL just last year, great leader, is an absolute hockey nerd and still seems driven. But he wouldn't be sniffing that kind of role for probably another 4 yrs.

Spezza is an interesting future possibility

 

[notbias]

LOL. He has been here since all were drafted and has been GM coming up on 5 years. Plenty of time to change them but he "bet everything" on them. If they fail again, your boy needs to fall on his sword.

I keep hearing he gets no credit for any of the picks he was AGM for, this back-and-forth is crazy.

The biggest thing plaguing Dubas is that our stars didn't break out after their contracts (minus Nylander).

 

[hotpaws]

I keep hearing he gets no credit for any of the picks he was AGM for, this back-and-forth is crazy.

The biggest thing plaguing Dubas is that our stars didn't break out after their contracts (minus Nylander).

the biggest thing plaguing Dubas is he pulled a Burke (traded the picks for Kessel) and destroyed his tenure here before it really got started by signing a loser like Tavares for 11m per

this and that he's an incompetent poser who should still be stick boy back in the Soo

 

[notbias]

the biggest thing plaguing Dubas is he pulled a Burke (traded the picks for Kessel) and destroyed his tenure here before it really got started by signing a loser like Tavares for 11m per

this and that he's an incompetent poser who should still be stick boy back in the Soo

Is Mark Hunter your uncle or something?

The cap not rising + not having people like MacKinnon who broke out after signing a fair deal are the issues.

 

[ACC1224]

Kyle Dubas is the only non-dinosaur hockey person in the whole wide world. It's either him or a dinosaur. That's the fear mongering from the Dubas fan club.

Always seemed like the DDL only think two hockey executives exist, Dubas and Lou Lam.
Such an odd black and white world.

 

[hotpaws]

Is Mark Hunter your uncle or something?

The cap not rising + not having people like MacKinnon who broke out after signing a fair deal are the issues.

excuse of the day , tomorrow you'll have another one . lol

-the cap didn't rise for anyone
-but i do agree had Dubas signed the 11m crew to fair deals the team would be in much better shape

the main problem he has is grossly overpaid an ufa loser which created all his problems

the bright side if the team loses again is i won't have you and the other Dubas fan club members on the Leafs board anymore

 

[Gilmour1996]

At 11M a year Tavares isn't a loser. He's quite successful in life. More than most of us! And team captain. Would be much better if he was getting 8M a year on the cap though and if he didn't have a NMC. He's just overpaid as a 2nd line centre and usually turns the other cheek when things get rough. On the bright side, he might help to get rid of Dubas.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

It doesn't matter who replaces him so long as he's gone. Shanahan and Keefe too.

 

[ShaneFalco]

It's amazing that some are willing to keep Dubas because they don't know who would replace him

 

[PromisedLand]

I disagree bc this team should have higher expectations than winning a round.

thats the narrative that is getting pushed around that winning a ronud is some kind of achievement for this JOKE of a front office. mostly voiced by dubas fans.

It really ticks me off.

No matter how one dices or slices or surmises

that this leafs rebuild has been a failure and shanny/dubas leadership cannot be denied.

 

[Gary Nylund]

It doesn't matter who replaces him so long as he's gone. Shanahan and Keefe too.

It's amazing that some are willing to keep Dubas because they don't know who would replace him

Much more amazing are the people that think we'd be better off without him no matter who replaces him (see the above post).

 

[PromisedLand]

Who expects Knies to step into a top 6 role?

I read an article that put a bit of a shadow on Knies. Not saying Knies ain't good; but they said he is significantly benefiting from the guys guys he is playing with. Kinda like Dvorak did with Marner and Tkachuk.

here is hoping that article is wrong

 

[Stephen]

I read an article that put a bit of a shadow on Knies. Not saying Knies ain't good; but they said he is significantly benefiting from the guys guys he is playing with. Kinda like Dvorak did with Marner and Tkachuk.

here is hoping that article is wrong

On the flipside we have NHL superstars who are superior to Cooley and Snuggerud in college...

 

[rocketman588]

I think Ryan Hardy will eventually make a great GM but hasn't been at the pro level long enough.

Problem is if you replace Dubas, you are pretty much looking at other candidates who are rookies or other veteran GMs who have warts as well. There isn't a guy out there who is the perfect GM. I lean closer to an up and Comer like Sakic and Yzerman who played the game somewhat recently, have a Guage on what it's like in the room and on the ice these days as opposed to guys like Lou, Rutherford or Burke where the game might have passed them by. Spezza is that guy that I think will be that guy some day. He was in the NHL just last year, great leader, is an absolute hockey nerd and still seems driven. But he wouldn't be sniffing that kind of role for probably another 4 yrs.

The positive is that MLSE has more money then anyone and these salaries are not capped in theory that means that most everyone should be on the table

 

[Morbo]

excuse of the day , tomorrow you'll have another one . lol

-the cap didn't rise for anyone
-but i do agree had Dubas signed the 11m crew to fair deals the team would be in much better shape

the main problem he has is grossly overpaid an ufa loser which created all his problems

the bright side if the team loses again is i won't have you and the other Dubas fan club members on the Leafs board anymore

meanwhile here we finally have a thread you can post in again. been a long year so far.. team's been top 5 all season...oof, that's gotta be rough for you guys. condolences.

 

[PromisedLand]

On the flipside we have NHL superstars who are superior to Cooley and Snuggerud in college...

but he will also face NHL competition with opposition so to be seen I guess.

I remember everyone was pretty high on jeremy bracco including myself until that thing went to hell. Hoping Knies pans out but exercising optimism cautiously

Brian Burke, Jim Rutherford or any other shithead dinosaur who would f*** up the organization for at least a decade so the haters could appreciate Dubas for just a second.

Context!!!

Burke was not allowed to rebuild by Teacher Pension Plan same with JFJ.

situations are not comparable. Not saying Burke would be great but such blanket statements without context should be made with caution

 

[PromisedLand]

Kyle Dubas is the only non-dinosaur hockey person in the whole wide world. It's either him or a dinosaur. That's the fear mongering from the Dubas fan club.

I don't know about that but one thing is for certain Dubas is the only GM in the league with a heckuva lot of AGMs. I can't find anothe rteam with so many AGMs

 

[rocketman588]

On the flipside we have NHL superstars who are superior to Cooley and Snuggerud in college...

NHL has a lot more talent top to bottom so it makes a bit less of an impact however

 

[PromisedLand]

you tell em Nooodles because if loving Dubas is wrong , i never want to be right , lol

LMAO

Feb 14 coming soon. LOVE is in the air....

Maybe we can just hire a computer program . No need for an actual person. We can spearhead a complete change in the sport.

Give the way this front office operates one can just write a code in R or Python and hit the "Run" button and we wouldn't miss a beat

 

[PromisedLand]

Spezza is an interesting future possibility

Too close to the players that are in the roster. I think he would be a bit emotional instead of calculating.

 

[PromisedLand]

At 11M a year Tavares isn't a loser. He's quite successful in life. More than most of us! And team captain. Would be much better if he was getting 8M a year on the cap though and if he didn't have a NMC. He's just overpaid as a 2nd line centre and usually turns the other cheek when things get rough. On the bright side, he might help to get rid of Dubas.

Even minor leaguers are better than most of us here I think. Anybody singing for league minimum if they can invest wisely they are set for life man.


Anyway, Found the latter part of your quote very interesting. It would be quite ironic that Tavares not living up to his contract especially in the playoffs would be what does Dubas in ...

 

[hotpaws]

meanwhile here we finally have a thread you can post in again. been a long year so far.. team's been top 5 all season...oof, that's gotta be rough for you guys. condolences.

gotta be tough for people who can't differentiate between the team and one it's employees

 

[PromisedLand]

It's amazing that some are willing to keep Dubas because they don't know who would replace him

Fear Mongering.

its the same posters/posts who told others that they are fear mongering that a rookie is being made a GM back in the day.

its funny how history repeats itself

Quite frankly IMO there are 3 kinds of dubas supporters:

1) who genuinely think he is right (very few). Why do I say very few? b/c using any objective measure one cannot justify Dubas' tenure as succesful given the context especially when he was made a gm team was on the rise, plenty of cap space, prospects/picks, etc...

2) who actually have quite a bit of vested interest in analystics b/c they monetize the stuff based on it. ex: Mirtle. IMO Mirtle is the biggest piece of trash when it comes to hockey and any kind of analytics but dubas was the face of analytics (probably still is) and Mirtle monetized that shit into "The Athletic" especially after he was fired from globe and mail.

3) "beliefs" people. and by belief I don't mean BeLeaf I mean 'beliefs' modern ideology and other BS. I won't go into detail b/c then it may get political which is not allowed so thats it.


Bottom Line: If dubas would have had any results nobody would be calling for his head; he hasn't had any decent "objective" results IMO so Leafs fans are ticked off who do not belong in the 3 categories

 

[Morbo]

gotta be tough for people who can't differentiate between the team and one it's employees

ironic statement there.

answer me honestly. do you really want the team to win with Dubas in charge?

we both know the real answer.

 

[Community]

based on pts % 1-8 in the conference we'd still be playing Tampa as of today in the first rd

there's no easy path to the cup regardless of setup and we already pissed away the easiest path we were ever going to get when we lost to Mon in the Canadian division

Bigger issue is that even if Toronto and Tampa finish on a tear and end up 2nd/3rd in conference they get basically no reward... there's still a chance we could end up TBL then Boston in 1-8 formatting, but it's not a given...

No matter how weak a division is, they are likely to have a team make the semi finals (barring wild card upsets)... For many years it's also guaranteed that a top 5 team is eliminated 1st round. Just silly IMO.