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Maybe the Kings have replaced the Ducks as the Leafs preferred trading partner. Maybe having Muzzin and now Clifford, and Campbell, will be enough to change Doughty's position on playing in Toronto. Wishful thinking.
 
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Cotton said:
People who state what year it is and say things have changed are usually pushing an unpopular narrative. The NHL could easily ban fighting if they wanted to, they won't, and it will become more frequent again in time because that's what the vast majority wants.

I hated Martin, not a single punch landed in either face during that tilt. He tended to wrestle and wait out fights, which is smart I guess but he's not really accomplishing anything.
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I can't imagine how that would happen. Teams don't employ fighters anymore because they can't afford the roster spot to a guy that can't play, and guys that can play shouldn't be getting themselves hurt in fights.

Fighting is going down because fighting makes less and less sense.
 
SAMCRO44 said:
**** you'd still have Komarov and Polak here along with Martin
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Not necessarily.... but you could have drafted or traded for gritty pieces.

Dubas wasn’t in that mind set.

He invited us to judge his approach of speed and skill over something he couldn’t measure... grit”

We did.

It sucked.

He has started to fix it by moving assets for Clifford and a back up goalie.

Be thankful.
 
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Joey Hoser said:
I can't imagine how that would happen. Teams don't employ fighters anymore because they can't afford the roster spot to a guy that can't play, and guys that can play shouldn't be getting themselves hurt in fights.

Fighting is going down because fighting makes less and less sense.
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Made enough sense to Dubas to part with assets for a rental.
 
Some of you anti grit guys really fail to see what a player that Clifford brings. It's not just his on-ice play but the swagger he'll bring to the room. Why do you always think it's just about fighting? Just 1 piece of the puzzle as to why those types of players are valuable. They elevate others.
 
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Joey Hoser said:
He can play, and if he fights more than 2-3 times I'll be surprised. I'll be even more surprised if those fights help us win a playoff series.
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Martin could play too.

Dubas’ doing a 180 is impressing me. I didn’t think he had it in him to admit he had built a flawed roster.
 
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Joey Hoser said:
I can't imagine how that would happen. Teams don't employ fighters anymore because they can't afford the roster spot to a guy that can't play, and guys that can play shouldn't be getting themselves hurt in fights.

Fighting is going down because fighting makes less and less sense.
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Fighting has been engineered out because of the worry of lawsuits.

The players themselves want it, so do the fans. But nobody wants some random asshole telling them what's best for them. If money is the bottom line, and it is, fighting will eventually increase as it's a popular draw in our sport.
 
Cotton said:
Fighting has been engineered out because of the worry of lawsuits.
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That doesn't make sense. If that was why, it would be banned. Lawyers don't tell you to "kinda sorta do less of that". They tell you that you can't do that because you're liable for what happens.
 
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Pookie said:
Not necessarily.... but you could have drafted or traded for gritty pieces.

Dubas wasn’t in that mind set.

He invited us to judge his approach of speed and skill over something he couldn’t measure... grit”

We did.

It sucked.

He has started to fix it by moving assets for Clifford and a back up goalie.

Be thankful.
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Said many times today, how many guys are around now that can play outside your 4ht line and can play a heavy, gritty game? Not many. Those that are around are coveted by their team. Burke drafted for grit - we've been down that road.

I see it as improving the team - and most LA fans seemed to think they were hosed on the deal.
 
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Joey Hoser said:
He was a healthy scratch making 2 million.



One fourth liner isn't a 180. That's really dumb wishful thinking on your part.
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Likely a scratch for standing up to Babcock.

Used on the PK on the Island. Full post season participation.

It’s a 180 to add physicality over speed and skill when you say you don’t buy into physicality.

Anyways... glad he addressed the shortcomings he created.
 
SAMCRO44 said:
Said many times today, how many guys are around now that can play outside your 4ht line and can play a heavy, gritty game? Not many. Those that are around are coveted by their team. Burke drafted for grit - we've been down that road.

I see it as improving the team - and most LA fans seemed to think they were hosed on the deal.
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Of course it improves the team.

The lack of physicality hurt them.

Dubas created the cream puffs and now he’s added some filling.

Better late than never.

Nice to see he can address the flaws in the roster he created.
 
Pookie said:
Not necessarily.... but you could have drafted or traded for gritty pieces.

Dubas wasn’t in that mind set.

He invited us to judge his approach of speed and skill over something he couldn’t measure... grit”

We did.

It sucked.

He has started to fix it by moving assets for Clifford and a back up goalie.

Be thankful.
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Sid asked Dubas if Frederik Andersen’s injury played a role in the deal and the GM replied no. This was something he’d been digging at for some time. So too, in response to the question about team toughness, Dubas admitted, contrary to popular belief, the organization did want the kind of grit a player like Clifford provides. It just took time to add the “right” piece, one that could actually play and add that element without sacrificing skill.
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Again, Dubas is not against toughness. He just wont settle for just toughness

https://thehockeywriters.com/dubas-talks-leafs-deadline-trade-loophole/
 
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Pookie said:
Of course it improves the team.

The lack of physicality hurt them.

Dubas created the cream puffs and now he’s added some filling.

Better late than never.

Nice to see he can address the flaws in the roster he created.
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He created by not signing healthy scratches like Martin and Komarov. And maybe you should perhaps look at the previous coach who seemed to have to much say in players, and his idea of toughness and grit was Par Lindholm. Babcock wouldn't play Martin either
 
saltming said:
Sadly reminds me that we lost colborne because we chose to keep Orr AND MacLaren in the lineup
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I like Colbourne too, but I certainly liked how nobody took liberties on our players that year. Nobody was targeting Kessel's head like the way Marchand did to Marner.

The night we punched Montreal into trading for Parros.


Buffalo Shenanigans.
 
Cotton said:
I like Colbourne too, but I certainly liked how nobody took liberties on our players that year. Nobody was targeting Kessel's head like the way Marchand did to Marner.

The night we punched Montreal into trading for Parros.


Buffalo Shenanigans.
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I'm old school hockey too, but I don't think have both Orr and MacLaren helped our team. One of those guys was enough and we could have kept Joe
 
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