Confirmed Trade: [TOR/STL/MIN] O'Reilly, Acciari, Pillar to TOR; Abramov, Gaudette, ‘23 1st, ‘23 3rd, ‘24 2nd to STL; ‘25 4th to MIN

[2028 7th]

This is a great trade... for Leafs-haters. There are two available players who REALLY could have improved the Leafs: Meier and Chychrun. They didn't have a realistic way to trade for either, but there was a chance. But that's gone now. A seriously diminished ROR looks sexy on paper but won't do much for them considering their holes on wing and D. Still out in the first, and now almost no draft picks to go along with a terrible prospect pool. All is right with the world.

 

[hamzarocks]

We need another top 6W option if we intend to go RoR as a shutdown option

I'd try and see the cost for Vatrano but he's not really a top 6 winger

Kane will cost a 1st+ prospect and that is a steep price potentially considering the prospect they'll ask for

Who are other good offensive top 6 winger options on the market?

I'd do hirvonen and a 2nd for JVR@50%

 

[AvroArrow]

This is a great trade... for Leafs-haters. There are two available players who REALLY could have improved the Leafs: Meier and Chychrun. They didn't have a realistic way to trade for either, but there was a chance. But that's gone now. A seriously diminished ROR looks sexy on paper but won't do much for them considering their holes on wing and D. Still out in the first, and now almost no draft picks to go along with a terrible prospect pool. All is right with the world.

So much copium

 

[Face Of Bear]

LMAO. No.

Yes cope harder.

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

This is really just about the hope that ROR has a run in him or is serviceable depth, correct?

Seems like a lot to pay up for that but the Leafs have to be all-in. They need anything and everything to get over that first round hump. After that, who knows?

 

[2028 7th]

So much copium

 

[Gary Nylund]

This is a great trade... for Leafs-haters. There are two available players who REALLY could have improved the Leafs: Meier and Chychrun. They didn't have a realistic way to trade for either, but there was a chance. But that's gone now. A seriously diminished ROR looks sexy on paper but won't do much for them considering their holes on wing and D. Still out in the first, and now almost no draft picks to go along with a terrible prospect pool. All is right with the world.

Such a sad thing to be a hater of any kind and look for joy in the misfortunes of others. I can't help but think that haters are miserable people who need to get some fresh air more often.

 

[Sinistril]

Wasn’t Knies a second round pick and apparently now untouchable? A bit of a strange post.

Strange is an understatement. There seems to be many people here who think if only a couple impact players were drafted at x position, 28th overall in this case, then it means the value of that pick is low. I guess the astoundingly obvious fact is that they should be looking at everyone who was drafted lower than x position.

 

[Face Of Bear]

Picks are for non-competitive teams. Leafs gave up nothing and got better. Big W.

 

[2028 7th]

Such a sad thing to be a hater of any kind and look for joy in the misfortunes of others. I can't help but think that haters are miserable people who need to get some fresh air more often.

I agree with you in all ways... except sports. It's the exception because it provides a safe space for all that negativity that doesn't belong in the real world between real people about genuinely important things. But with sports, it's just mean-spirited fun.

PS- Leafs suck

 

[Oilslick941611]

The classic dying breath of an unsuccessful GM.

Dubas doesn't care, he is fighting for his job. If this gamble doesn't pay off, no sweat of his back, he won't be the GM at the draft., and if he still has his job at the draft it will be because the leafs had a good playoffs, so the trade off is worth it.

There will still be people at the draft though complaining that they have no picks, regardless of how the season plays out.

 

[Rob Brown]

This is a great trade... for Leafs-haters. There are two available players who REALLY could have improved the Leafs: Meier and Chychrun. They didn't have a realistic way to trade for either, but there was a chance. But that's gone now. A seriously diminished ROR looks sexy on paper but won't do much for them considering their holes on wing and D. Still out in the first, and now almost no draft picks to go along with a terrible prospect pool. All is right with the world.

Imagine waking up on a Saturday and feeling the need to try to dunk on people as the first thing you do.

 

[thusk]

We


You have to look at Knies as another bullet in Dubas gun he is hoping to load up for a playoff run.

I’m not even convinced his ‘untouchable’ status is at all about the future, but again, it’s about this years playoff run.

Dubas wanted Knies on the team for the playoffs last year, he wants him in the team for the playoffs this year. Dubas likely sees Knies as added depth for the run this year.

In that sense, it would have to be a very good deal to remove that addition to the lineup in the now.

If Knies plays well in the 3rd or 4th line in the playoffs, it’s effectively the same as making a trade to improve the team.

Dubas didn't want knies for playoff last year and will probabky be the same thing this season...

Its leafs fan who wanted and still want him in playoff

 

[Gary Nylund]

I agree with you in all ways... except sports. It's the exception because it provides a safe space for all that negativity that doesn't belong in the real world between real people about genuinely important things. But with sports, it's just mean-spirited fun.

PS- Leafs suck

Fair enough. Though looking at your avatar, I'd think you have somewhere to direct your negativity in real life. Cheers!

 

[King In The North]

We'll see. As an aside, I don't think the phrase all-in makes any sense when it comes to hockey. It's just one trade, no matter what happens Toronto still has a team, a lot of good players and some good prospects, still many picks left in future drafts ...

The all-in phrase comes from poker and it means when you lose, you have nothing left. That's a completely different thing.

Sorry to give you a hard time, I know that hundreds of people use this term, just my 2c.

Actually the Leafs don't have much in the way of draft picks or prospects at all. That shouldn't be a surprise given they have been buyers for a while.

All in makes a lot of sense when you consider this could be Dubas' final year as well as nearing the end of this core.

 

[Morbo]

This is a great trade... for Leafs-haters. There are two available players who REALLY could have improved the Leafs: Meier and Chychrun. They didn't have a realistic way to trade for either, but there was a chance. But that's gone now. A seriously diminished ROR looks sexy on paper but won't do much for them considering their holes on wing and D. Still out in the first, and now almost no draft picks to go along with a terrible prospect pool. All is right with the world.

uh huh.

thing is, if they had gone for Meier or Chychrun instead you'd be right here making the same post -- now they have no picks and they still won't get past the first round.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Dubas doesn't care, he is fighting for his job. If this gamble doesn't pay off, no sweat of his back, he won't be the GM at the draft., and if he still has his job at the draft it will be because the leafs had a good playoffs, so the trade off is worth it.

There will still be people at the draft though complaining that they have no picks, regardless of how the season plays out.

So much misinformation. Dubas has a vocal section of the Leafs fanbase who hates him, but that has existed for every GM. Dubas is an outstanding GM and most Leaf fans would be happy to have him extended. The fact he is talked about as if he is Ken Holland or Chia is baffling to me considering he came into the position with all franchise players needing contracts, then hit a pandemic directly after and managed to navigate the cap and rebuild the defense from bottom 5 to top 5 without moving any significant piece.

The team went from a run and gun skill team to a two way east-west team under him, he's managed to scout and draft well considering what he has had available as well. People point out his mistakes, every GM makes mistakes for god sakes. The Bruins who are the love child of HF right now signed Foligno to a 4m AAV deal after Toronto paid a first for him and people pretend Foligno was cooked as an NHler at the time when he just got hurt.

Dubas hasn't done anything wrong aside from putting faith that a core that was 22 years old when he came in would eventually learn how to win and not sell low on them. If he would have moved a Marner or Matthews or Nylander we would regret that trade 10000000x more than any Kadri deal or Foligno or whatever is bad.

He's had more excellent moves than bad moves. Top 5 GM in the sport

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Picks are for non-competitive teams. Leafs gave up nothing and got better. Big W.

This is incorrect. Picks are valuable for all teams as they can be used to acquire assets. The question is whether the Leafs used their assets wisely or wasted them like in the Foligno trade. Only time will tell.

 

[kyne]

We'll see. As an aside, I don't think the phrase all-in makes any sense when it comes to hockey. It's just one trade, no matter what happens Toronto still has a team, a lot of good players and some good prospects, still many picks left in future drafts ...

The all-in phrase comes from poker and it means when you lose, you have nothing left. That's a completely different thing.

Sorry to give you a hard time, I know that hundreds of people use this term, just my 2c.

Thank you for the clarification. English is not my first language or even my second. My regrets if my turn of phrase or the use of a popular expression caused offense.

My opinion stands. ROR is unlikely to give anyone a discount based on his previous contract negotiations with other teams and Toronto may have put all of its "eggs in one basket" in its belief that one player can make a difference.

 

[PocketNines]

The fact that ROR is from Ontario and apparently chose the Leafs is potentially huge. If that means he resigns with the Leafs, and maybe even for a team-friendly deal like Giordano did, then I'm more than fine with this trade.

I miss the days when ROR was being run down as a player and wasn't even going to return a 1st much less a 1st+ and then extend ...

 

[King In The North]

We need another top 6W option if we intend to go RoR as a shutdown option

I'd try and see the cost for Vatrano but he's not really a top 6 winger

Kane will cost a 1st+ prospect and that is a steep price potentially considering the prospect they'll ask for

Who are other good offensive top 6 winger options on the market?

I'd do hirvonen and a 2nd for JVR@50%

Just curious why Vatrano wouldn't be a good option? He's been productive as a secondary scorer for the Ducks

 

[GrumpyKoala]

Your first 3 picks in a draft screams desperation.

Like he knows this is the end of it doesn’t work.

Its genius you maximize your chance and sabotage as much as possible the next guy if it doesn't work out.

 

[The Management]

This is a great trade... for Leafs-haters. There are two available players who REALLY could have improved the Leafs: Meier and Chychrun. They didn't have a realistic way to trade for either, but there was a chance. But that's gone now. A seriously diminished ROR looks sexy on paper but won't do much for them considering their holes on wing and D. Still out in the first, and now almost no draft picks to go along with a terrible prospect pool. All is right with the world.

If you followed the team closely, at all, you'd know depth in the bottom six is a more pressing need. But you're not here to make comments that are in good faith anyway, right? Just to be an internet troll on a hockey forum. Fun.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Thank you for the clarification. English is not my first language or even my second. My regrets if my turn of phrase or the use of a popular expression caused offense.

My opinion stands. ROR is unlikely to give anyone a discount based on his previous contract negotiations with other teams and Toronto may have put all of its "eggs in one basket" in its belief that one player can make a difference.

Well they got 2 players actually, and they have tons of assets to make more moves if they wish. This isn't a Panthers all in or CBJ all in people are trying to pretend it is. They said the Leafs were all in when they moved a first + 3rd + for Foligno + Big Save Dave + D depth, and it wasn't then either.

They still have their top 5 prospects, they have future firsts, they have their young roster players and their core forwards. They are very much not all in. But I am happy they decided to bring in a legit player with reputation who has done it and won a Smythe and cup and is a strong playoff performer than bring in depth pieces that don't move the needle.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Well they got 2 players actually, and they have tons of assets to make more moves if they wish. This isn't a Panthers all in or CBJ all in people are trying to pretend it is. They said the Leafs were all in when they moved a first + 3rd + for Foligno + Big Save Dave + D depth, and it wasn't then either.

They still have their top 5 prospects, they have future firsts, they have their young roster players and their core forwards. They are very much not all in. But I am happy they decided to bring in a legit player with reputation who has done it and won a Smythe and cup and is a strong playoff performer than bring in depth pieces that don't move the needle.

And if they don't win a round, does Dubas just pay the big 4 more money and hope that'll work?