Confirmed with Link: TOR sign G Ilya Samsonov to 1 year, 1.8M deal

[Gabriel426]

That is bit nonsensical. Murray's contract is signed years back. Michael Bunting wouldn't play for under a million next season, if it was his choosing. It's the choice to take that player or not with that contract. Like Luongo once said he would have ripped his contract if he could've had. Murray's contract is what is and we knew for starter it isn't bad money, but he wouldn't get it from open market at the moment, but he wasn't on open market, that's the reason we got those attached assets.

It's another question why we didn't sign Campbell back in the summer of 2021 before we acquired Mrazek. We'll see in year or two how bad mistake it was or was it mistake all together. You know Campbell is almost in same position with Murray, there is lot to prove. There is more positive note, but since that contract is only two years it's easier situation for us.

When we talk about Murray, there is 22 goalies that get paid more than him next season. Andersen is behind him 24th, since he got two years for 4.5million last summer.

My point about Murray’s contract is more to do with if he is a UFA this past season, would any teams sign him for 4.65mil for 2 years with the way he played and injured over the past few seasons.

I am not saying Campbell should be signed and is much better. But I highly doubt all these Murray is a better goalie than Campbell and his 5x5 contract won’t even be brought up if Campbell signed with the Leafs with that contract and Murray got traded to Oilers for the same package. None of you will come out and say Oilers did good with Murray and did better than us with resigning Campbell.

 

[Racer88]

I think at this moment, if saying Murray is as good as Campbell and Keumper, that’s Leafs goggle talking.

I think If Leafs signed Campbell or Keumper and Oilers traded for Murray with the same type of package the Leafs did. We would be laughing at the Oilers and some might even starts trade proposal to bring McD home.

I understand we all want to defend and rationalize Murray being the better option than Campbell and Keumper but that’s really not the case.

If Murray plays good next two years, would that be bc of the Leafs playing in front of him or due to him.
Dubas believes Murray is the better choice between him and Campbell, that is most likely based on knowing both of them personally instead of just stats, like Campbell might be struggling mentally in the playoffs series or it could simply be Dubas think he is outsmarting everyone due to his belief in Murray or it could just be a cheaper caphit.
Will be interesting to see if Murray can help the Leafs in the playoffs.

First we have to see if Murray is still on the active list come playoff time

 

[Racer88]

Not really. Murray performed better last year than Campbell, Talbot, and Georgiev, and while Kuemper and Husso had good seasons, they also were last and 2nd last in GSAx in the playoffs. There are concerns with all of them.

Murray’s sample size last year was to small to base anything off of.

 

[Leaf Fans]

First we have to see if Murray is still on the active list come playoff time

Of course. Every team has to do the same with their goaltenders as well.

 

[Gabriel426]

First we have to see if Murray is still on the active list come playoff time

He is a Leafs now, let’s hope he does well and stays healthy.

 

[notbias]

2021-22 Season Stats.. Goals Saved Above expected (GSAx)

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According to your favourite stat GSAx Samsonov is a downgrade from Mrazek going from -11.6 to -12.1 as Samsonov made less expected saves than Mrazek.

That placed them #106 & 107 out of 119 ranked goalies in 2021-22.

You can see why Toronto and Washington were so keen on moving on from them Leafs even had to use draft capital to rid themselves of Mrazek. With Mrazek going to Chicago a team tanking for the #1 in entry draft that makes perfect sense you want soft goaltending to finish last. Now how do we square the Cup contending team that thought this was improving their netminding by acquiring one?

24 game difference... must be a motive here to not use something like /60

 

[Racer88]

He is a Leafs now, let’s hope he does well and stays healthy.

I certainly hope he does but I will need to see it happen

 

[Tarmore]

I certainly hope he does but I will need to see it happen

Only one way to determine the outcome on this one.

Lets wait and see.

 

[rocketman588]

24 game difference... must be a motive here to not use something like /60

I wonder what dekes motivation is to use only last year's Numbers in that stat

 

[Racer88]

Only one way to determine the outcome on this one.

Lets wait and see.

Yup, 6 wait and see’s and counting

I wonder what dekes motivation is to use only last year's Numbers in that stat

Simple……..Dubas can do no wrong

 

[Dekes For Days]

I wonder what dekes motivation is to use only last year's Numbers in that stat

Simple……..Dubas can do no wrong

Not sure why you're wondering or making false statements when the answer is obvious and has already been explained. I discussed the same stat and year that Mess, the person I was responding to, was discussing. If you dislike it, take it up with him.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Yup, 6 wait and see’s and counting


Simple……..Dubas can do no wrong

So whats your hope? Whats your plan?

If youre not waiting and seeing what happens, what are you doing?

 

[Racer88]

So whats your hope? Whats your plan?

If youre not waiting and seeing what happens, what are you doing?

Why so serious? Do you not have any sense of humour.
PS. Of course I’m waiting. I’ve waited over 4 decades for the team to win somethin.
I assure you I will outlast Dubas

 

[rocketman588]

Not sure why you're wondering or making false statements when the answer is obvious and has already been explained. I discussed the same stat and year that Mess, the person I was responding to, was discussing. If you dislike it, take it up with him.

You're just so quick to bring up the stat regarding this year and never seem to mention how Murray is within that stat any other year I wonder why that is.

 

[Dekes For Days]

You're just so quick to bring up the stat regarding this year and never seem to mention how Murray is within that stat any other year

Again, I didn't bring up the year. Mess did. This thread is also about Samsonov, not Murray.

 

[rocketman588]

Again, I didn't bring up the year. Mess did. This thread is also about Samsonov, not Murray.

Every time goaltending is brought up you seem to bring up the same stat for only the one year

And you personally have brought it up multiple times

Seems like you're trying to avoid any comment about your love of cherry picking stats

 

[Dekes For Days]

Every time goaltending is brought up you seem to bring up the same stat for only the one year
And you personally have brought it up multiple times
Seems like you're trying to avoid any comment about your love of cherry picking stats

I don't cherry pick anything. You just seem to confuse utilizing the best statistics and methods and being consistent with it (which everybody should be doing) with cherry picking whenever the facts don't match your pre-conceived belief. I have justified the statistics and methods I utilize, I have explained their limitations, and I have discussed all of recent, career, and what it means going forward, but here, I simply responded to Mess. Mess brought up Samsonov's GSAx last year, and for some reason when I responded to Mess about the very stat, year, player, and topic that he posted about, you started harassing and misrepresenting me.

 

[mydnyte]

My point about Murray’s contract is more to do with if he is a UFA this past season, would any teams sign him for 4.65mil for 2 years with the way he played and injured over the past few seasons.

I am not saying Campbell should be signed and is much better. But I highly doubt all these Murray is a better goalie than Campbell and his 5x5 contract won’t even be brought up if Campbell signed with the Leafs with that contract and Murray got traded to Oilers for the same package. None of you will come out and say Oilers did good with Murray and did better than us with resigning Campbell.

i think Murray was a mistake, but, that said, he'd have gotten a 4-5 year deal for at least 4.5+ ...GM's are genuinely insane

 

[hotpaws]

i think Murray was a mistake, but, that said, he'd have gotten a 4-5 year deal for at least 4.5+ ...GM's are genuinely insane

Ottawa wouldn't have had to pay to dump Murray if there was a team willing to give him anywhere near the contract you are suggesting .

 

[Dekes For Days]

i think Murray was a mistake, but, that said, he'd have gotten a 4-5 year deal for at least 4.5+ ...GM's are genuinely insane

I'm not sure teams would be willing to commit 5 years to him right now, but he could definitely pull in at least 4m on a 2 year term.

 

[Gabriel426]

i think Murray was a mistake, but, that said, he'd have gotten a 4-5 year deal for at least 4.5+ ...GM's are genuinely insane

Bro, no way would anyone give Murray a contract more than a year if he was UFA this off season.
It will be a one year show me what you got deal.
If teams are willing to pay him 4.5mil plus on a 4-5yr deal, why didn’t they trade for him and why did the Sens just gave him away with retention and draft picks.

 

[Funk21]

The issue is that we needed a starting goalie and while Sens wanted him gone they had the cap space to bury him in the minors. The issue is a game of chicken regarding the player and potentially other teams. Zona could easily taken on the contract but it would have cost the Sens draft capital and or prospects.

Do I think Dubas should have pushed for more retention sure. I think Murray at 4 million would have been a worth while gamble. I think Dorian would have done it too. The issue is you run the risk of an already goalie situation being even dicier if you don’t get him. If he fails badly then you waive him or try to trade him in the off-season. Not that it likely occurs but as every team seems to have 5 million in LTIR why not send him to Robidas island????

 

[Gilles Meloche]

I really think Samsonov will have a breakout year. I think part of the problem in Washington was that it wasn’t a great environment for him to be in. Sounds great having other Russian players to be on the team to make him more comfortable but I don’t think Kuznetsov was a great influence…

Kuznetsov and Samsonov could be suspended more than one game. Laviolette: ‘We’re working through things inside the room.’

 

[Stamkos4life]

Bro, no way would anyone give Murray a contract more than a year if he was UFA this off season.
It will be a one year show me what you got deal.
If teams are willing to pay him 4.5mil plus on a 4-5yr deal, why didn’t they trade for him and why did the Sens just gave him away with retention and draft picks.

The sens literally paid to get rid of Murray.

Yet some Leaf fans think he's an upgrade or worth 4.5 mil?

Yikes.

 

[ACC1224]

i think Murray was a mistake, but, that said, he'd have gotten a 4-5 year deal for at least 4.5+ ...GM's are genuinely insane

Not sure how you’d come to that conclusion. Safe to say there is zero chance that would have happened.