Confirmed with Link: TOR re-sign Travis Dermott to 2 year extension, 1.5M AAV

[93WrapAround]

I'm confused at why the Leafs would pay him this when they showed very little confidence in him during the POs..

All of a sudden now he's worth 1.5M when he wasn't even locked in as one of your top 6 when it mattered and even made one of your teams costliest PO mistakes? Strange.

 

[Egghead1999]

I'm confused at why the Leafs would pay him this when they showed very little confidence in him during the POs..

All of a sudden now he's worth 1.5M when he wasn't even locked in as one of your top 6 when it mattered and even made one of your teams costliest PO mistakes? Strange.

I guess you miss the signal now. With other signings, it is Leafs' GM double-down move. Having said that, he should have a plan to move one of the cores out or he knows JT will miss the whole season. Otherwise, that is no cap space left.

 

[zeke]

I guess you miss the signal now. With other signings, it is Leafs' GM double-down move. Having said that, he should have a plan to move one of the cores out or he knows JT will miss the whole season. Otherwise, that is no cap space left.

He's got about $8.5m to sign or replace Hyman and Fred.

 

[phillipmike]

During a flat cap Dermott goes from 1 year @$875k to 2 years at $1.5 mil AAV deal ?

Did people notice Dermott was a healthy scratch for > 1/2 the Leafs playoff series playing in only 3 games, while being replaced by Sandin who played in only 9 regular season games but played 5 playoff games at the expense of Travis?

In 51 games last year Dermott put up 2-4-6 points and nearly doubled his salary and doubled his term.

Yeah this doesn’t make sense to me. No one should be praising Dubas here. Dermott is getting the most money in his career after the worst season in his career.

2019-20: 56 GP, 4 Goals, 7 Assists, 11 Points, +14, 17.19 ATOI

Here is $863k and a 1 year commitment

2020-21: 51 GP, 2 Goals, 4 Assists, 6 Points, -1, 13.13 ATOI

Here is $1.5M per and a 2 year commitment

He is coming off a worse season than 2019-20 and got almost double the money and double the term?

It may work out in the end but typical Dubas overpaying for another contract.

If you need another defensemen to expose then offer future considerations or a forward to a team for their 7th or 8th D who played the requisite number of games and sign them to a 1 year contract if they don’t have one.

 

[phillipmike]

I'm confused at why the Leafs would pay him this when they showed very little confidence in him during the POs..

All of a sudden now he's worth 1.5M when he wasn't even locked in as one of your top 6 when it mattered and even made one of your teams costliest PO mistakes? Strange.

Its not strange, it’s just the Dubas way.

 

[I am Canadian]

Yeah this doesn’t make sense to me. No one should be praising Dubas here. Dermott is getting the most money in his career after the worst season in his career.

2019-20: 56 GP, 4 Goals, 7 Assists, 11 Points, +14, 17.19 ATOI

Here is $863k and a 1 year commitment

2020-21: 51 GP, 2 Goals, 4 Assists, 6 Points, -1, 13.13 ATOI

Here is $1.5M per and a 2 year commitment

He is coming off a worse season than 2019-20 and got almost double the money and double the term?

It may work out in the end but typical Dubas overpaying for another contract.

If you need another defensemen to expose then offer future considerations or a forward to a team for their 7th or 8th D who played the requisite number of games and sign them to a 1 year contract if they don’t have one.

Considering he was worth more than 863K and only signed that to play and stay in Toronto it makes perfect sense.

He was a 1.2M defender last year and got the bump up from signing another year

 

[phillipmike]

Considering he was worth more than 863K and only signed that to play and stay in Toronto it makes perfect sense.

He was a 1.2M defender last year and got the bump up from signing another year

No he wasn’t. And if he was so generous to give us a discount last year to stay in Toronto, why isn’t he giving us a discount again this year. Logic makes no sense.

He had little leverage last year and got the contract he deserved. I’m not hating on Dubas, I praised him for that contract. He got a good deal.

But he is coming off a worse season with less leverage and he gets more? That’s a worse deal.

 

[ottomaddox]

I'm confused at why the Leafs would pay him this when they showed very little confidence in him during the POs..

All of a sudden now he's worth 1.5M when he wasn't even locked in as one of your top 6 when it mattered and even made one of your teams costliest PO mistakes? Strange.

Costliest Mistakes? Doesn't that award go to Galchenyuk?

 

[Stonehands1990]

Costliest Mistakes? Doesn't that award go to Galchenyuk?

Dermott made one also but I hate when people rip on D for not being perfect. He played an otherwise fantastic game. If nobody ever made mistakes every game would be 0-0. Hockey is a game of mistakes

 

[Anthrax442]

He is fine and he is still growing and you can barely ask anything more from a 3rd pairing defenseman.

 

[Cor]

Models had Dermott at 1.4Mx2.

 

[forecheck]

Not a fan of this player .... Ask yourself .. where would he fit in on any of the final four teams you watched play in this years playoffs.?

 

[forecheck]

Another flake secured for this unlikebale group .

 

[ACC1224]

Models had Dermott at 1.4Mx2.

Now we’re deferring to Models? Who’s opinion is next, Strippers?

 

[Stonehands1990]

Not a fan of this player .... Ask yourself .. where would he fit in on any of the final four teams you watched play in this years playoffs.?

Loaded question. He’s nowhere near his peak. D men peak at what? 27-28?

 

[TMLAM34]

I thought the Dermott - Bogosian pairing was one of the best third pairings we’ve seen in years. It’s the top four that needs to be fixed, mainly an upgrade on Holl.

 

[Nylander88]

There is tons of D and better D for Seattle to take... They are not going to take 30 D... There wont be many good forwards available and they have to fill a roster as well as hit the cap floor. They will be picking Kerfoot.

Which I'm fine with. Kerfoot was great for us this past playoffs, but I'd like a 3C that's a little cheaper than 3.5m. hard luxury to afford on a team that pays so much to 4 forwards

 

[Nylander88]

Well, you also gotta look at what they'll get league-wide from other teams. I think they can find 6 d-men better than Dermott in expansion more easily than they'll find 2 C's better than Kerfoot - with a decent amount of teams going 7-3-1, good middle 6 C's are going to be much harder to come by than good top 4 d-men.

You're probably right. I think in that case, Dermott or Holl has to be dangled in a trade. I'd much rather re-sign Bogosian than have either of them. And I'd rather Dermott over Holl based on slight savings, age, and upside.

 

[93WrapAround]

Dermott made one also but I hate when people rip on D for not being perfect. He played an otherwise fantastic game. If nobody ever made mistakes every game would be 0-0. Hockey is a game of mistakes

Tell that to Freddy haters.. go look at his PO stats last year to see how timing of 'mistakes' will not be overlooked.

 

[Mess]

Considering he was worth more than 863K and only signed that to play and stay in Toronto it makes perfect sense.

He was a 1.2M defender last year and got the bump up from signing another year

You have that backwards when the team is tossing in an additional year(s) its to bring down the AAV over the term, not give the player a raise and then toss in an extra bonus year at the higher rate.

Of all 4 years of Dermott's career this last one was his worst statistically with just 2 goals and 6 points in 51 games, while his ice time was also declining and this was only against 6 CDN teams as competition. He played more and was more effective in his rookie season in less games against the entire NHL.

So the less he produces, and less he plays, the higher his salary is going. Downward trending player with an upward trending salary.

REGULAR SEASON STATS
SEASON	TEAM	GP	Goals	Assists	Points	+/-	PIM	SOG	%	TOI/G
'17-'18	TOR	37	1	12	13	16	8	54	1.9	16:00
'18-'19	TOR	64	4	13	17	-5	22	98	4.1	17:18
'19-'20	TOR	56	4	7	11	14	37	65	6.2	17:19
'20-'21	TOR	51	2	4	6	-1	19	36	5.6	13:13
Career		208	11	36	47	24	86	253	4.3	--

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

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[Gallagbi]

You have that backwards when the team is tossing in an additional year(s) its to bring down the AAV over the term, not give the player a raise and then toss in an extra bonus year at the higher rate.

Players are usually paid on a curve. They come in and exit low, making the most in their primes. Buying those middle years adds cost. Buying at the end of their contract generally drops it.

It's why an 8-year deal for Hyman would drop his aav, while an 8-year deal for stars coming off ELC is more expensive than a bridge.

Dermott took an obvious cut last year. This deal is setup to rise in year 2 and increases his RFA qualifying number. Everything here suggests that second year was more costly than a 1-year IMO.

 

[Twine Tickler]

Yes, of course. No physical defensemen are the way to win the Cup...

I am not sure who you are insinuating not being physical. Neither one of Dermott, Sandin or Lilly play a passive game. They all hold their own quite well. Not to mention they are all still very young and that aspect of their game will only improve as they grow larger and establish more confidence. Are they Edmonson/Weber/Muzzin/Bogo strong at the top of the crease? maybe not. But neither is Brodie, and he is easily our best defensive defensemen. In fact I'd go as far as to say between Brodie, Lilly, Dermott, and Sandin that Brodie might in fact be the least physically engaged in the bunch.

I think we need to proceed with caution and avoid an over correction when looking at MTL's "BiG fOuR BrUiSeRs". Their team success was 100% due to Carey Price being Carey Price. End of story. Those 4 defensemen get exposed with any other goaltending. Carey kept them in every game despite being outplayed at large portions in their run. In fact, they don't make it out of the 1st round if he even plays just good, not godly. He made extremely timely massive saves that consistently allowed them to stick around. And full credit to their team, they continued to battle and made it a long way. That said, it is more likely a flash in the pan over the formula to success.

Now if we anted to follow the TB model, which is the no brainer, its hard to argue that they have any flaws anywhere on that roster. They can beat you any which way. Their defense is big, and can play below the dots very well. But it was not necessarily the characteristic that best defines them IMO. Their forward group is as relentless of a group as I can recall. They give teams no room to breath. They completely suffocate their opponents. That's what I will remember most from that team. In fact, if you put our defensive core in in place of their current defensive corp, I think the results for them are the same honestly. We have a good D-Corp, we didn't lose because of our poor defending. With the exception of Sandin's terrible game 5. We lost because we had careless turnovers by forwards that lead to odd man rushes and transition chances. You never saw that level of sloppiness from TB's forward group

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Young defenders don't make linear improvements .. he has some skills - he is fearless, he is fast, he has some decent defensive instincts and he can play either side .. he lacked ice time this past year and I think it affected him a bit on development curve but playing with Bogo helped .. but no one is gonna know for sure of Dermy is a top 4 D man for another 2 years which is length of his contract .. a slight overpay I think but then again he was a slight underpay last year .. either way this is not a watermark event here folks

 

[I am Canadian]

No he wasn’t. And if he was so generous to give us a discount last year to stay in Toronto, why isn’t he giving us a discount again this year. Logic makes no sense.

He had little leverage last year and got the contract he deserved. I’m not hating on Dubas, I praised him for that contract. He got a good deal.

But he is coming off a worse season with less leverage and he gets more? That’s a worse deal.

The idea that Dermott was not worth more than his QO last year is ridiculous. You don't think he could have gotten more? He easily could have taken Leafs to arbitration to get probably 1.2-1.4M. He signed the deal betting on himself and making himself fit into this roster.

Ethan Bear signed for 2X2M as a comparable. Bear had a better offensive season for sure. Dermott was worth an extra 300-500K last year and signed the QO to fit on this team

He's not giving the discount again because he wants to make some money here? Believe it or not Leafs have more cap this offseason and is one of the reasons Dermott is making a little more on his deal.

 

[ottomaddox]

Now we’re deferring to Models? Who’s opinion is next, Strippers?

Plumbers!