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mikeyz said:
We aren’t winning a round much less a cup with that 6 D-man.
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Muzzy has Cups, Brodie has been past round 1, Bogo has won a Cup, Rielly we need to get a return from him this summer, Holl is a 6th/7th man, da rest are kids learning ropes .. we are not as far away on defense but we do need a BIG man with speed and size in Rielly deal
 
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The 6ix said:
As if you're the arbiter of which opinion is right.

What's "common sense" to you is pure nonsense to me -- and maybe vice versa.
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I made my statement and you quoted me saying that i was wrong based on speculation. So it looks like you are arbitrating my post.

If you dont like people disagreeing with you then instruct your high horse to move onto another poster.
 
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sxvnert said:
Muzzin Hamilton
Gio (50%) Brodie
Oleksiak Bogo
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I'd like to see Hamilton offered a contract assuming Reilly is out. If I am GM, unfortunately Reilly has to go to make room.

They need to follow the Habs route of getting big, strong D Men. He also happens to bring some pop from the point which they need. If you intend to compete next year you need to find sizeable upgrades.


Hamilton Brodie
Muzzin Holl

This would be a decent top four. Or, you do what I think should be done, and pick up another stellar top four guy and bump Holl down to 5 or 6. Not because Holl hasn't been improving, I thought he played a strong defensive game and brought some bite. Leafs defense wasn't a problem, we all know scoring from their money makers at playoff time was.

However, you strengthen the back end to allow yourself flexibility to spread minutes out if you choose/need to and make every pairing tough to play against.

Will Hutton get an offer? He is a guy that Dubas apparently liked for some time. Will Bogosian be back? It seems less likely, but who knows?
 
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JT AM da real deal said:
Muzzy has Cups, Brodie has been past round 1, Bogo has won a Cup, Rielly we need to get a return from him this summer, Holl is a 6th/7th man, da rest are kids learning ropes .. we are not as far away on defense but we do need a BIG man with speed and size in Rielly deal
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I'll have what you're having :popcorn:
None of those guys is the driving force. I have been riding the bus for 20 years, but I don't know how to drive the bus. I am not saying they are passages, but they were not the difference makers.
 
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Leafsfan74 said:
I'd like to see Hamilton offered a contract assuming Reilly is out. If I am GM, unfortunately Reilly has to go to make room.

They need to follow the Habs route of getting big, strong D Men. He also happens to bring some pop from the point which they need. If you intend to compete next year you need to find sizeable upgrades.


Hamilton Brodie
Muzzin Holl

This would be a decent top four. Or, you do what I think should be done, and pick up another stellar top four guy and bump Holl down to 5 or 6. Not because Holl hasn't been improving, I thought he played a strong defensive game and brought some bite. Leafs defense wasn't a problem, we all know scoring from their money makers at playoff time was.

However, you strengthen the back end to allow yourself flexibility to spread minutes out if you choose/need to and make every pairing tough to play against.
Hamilton Brodie
Muzzin Holl

Will Hutton get an offer? He is a guy that Dubas apparently liked for some time. Will Bogosian be back? It seems less likely, but who knows?
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It may sound counterintuitive. Leafs should move one of the big four to upgrade the D.
Hamilton Brodie
Muzzin xxxx
and have Sandin, Holl, Dermott ..... for btm pair.
 
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Id bet Dermott is taken by Seattle. given all the teams who are cap strapped they would be best to take the cheapest good options from teams and then reap big rewards from cap trades. I’d say they lean to Dermott over Kerfoot.
 
Egghead1999 said:
I'll have what you're having :popcorn:
None of those guys is the driving force. I have been riding the bus for 20 years, but I don't know how to drive the bus. I am not saying they are passages, but they were not the difference makers.
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I don't really see how Hamilton moves the dial much from Rielly. Their ES and PP points production is really close the last few years with the biggest difference being goal scoring where Dougie has 44g and Morgan 28 in the last 3 years. Hamilton does not outperform in the playoffs and is #5 in pk minutes on Carolina and he has no real physical game in spite of his size, so the tangible change seems to be about 5g a year. FWIW Rielly has 4 ppg the last 184 games and Hamilton has 6.

I would say in an absolute best case scenario Dougie only costs them $1.5M more a year and I think that's being really optimistic. Add to that Brodie has historically always been better on his right side in spite of being a left shot. If they move Rielly it can't be for more money unless the add is big improvement. Hamilton doesn't see to be that, he just has that shiny shot and towering height we haven't had since Cody Franson.
 
nuck said:
I don't really see how Hamilton moves the dial much from Rielly. Their ES and PP points production is really close the last few years with the biggest difference being goal scoring where Dougie has 44g and Morgan 28 in the last 3 years. Hamilton does not outperform in the playoffs and is #5 in pk minutes on Carolina and he has no real physical game in spite of his size, so the tangible change seems to be about 5g a year. FWIW Rielly has 4 ppg the last 184 games and Hamilton has 6.

I would say in an absolute best case scenario Dougie only costs them $1.5M more a year and I think that's being really optimistic. Add to that Brodie has historically always been better on his right side in spite of being a left shot. If they move Rielly it can't be for more money unless the add is big improvement. Hamilton doesn't see to be that, he just has that shiny shot and towering height we haven't had since Cody Franson.
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nuck said:
I don't really see how Hamilton moves the dial much from Rielly. Their ES and PP points production is really close the last few years with the biggest difference being goal scoring where Dougie has 44g and Morgan 28 in the last 3 years. Hamilton does not outperform in the playoffs and is #5 in pk minutes on Carolina and he has no real physical game in spite of his size, so the tangible change seems to be about 5g a year. FWIW Rielly has 4 ppg the last 184 games and Hamilton has 6.

I would say in an absolute best case scenario Dougie only costs them $1.5M more a year and I think that's being really optimistic. Add to that Brodie has historically always been better on his right side in spite of being a left shot. If they move Rielly it can't be for more money unless the add is big improvement. Hamilton doesn't see to be that, he just has that shiny shot and towering height we haven't had since Cody Franson.
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It's simple, Douggie isn't a Leaf. Just wait until he gets here. He'll suck too and all the people who just had to have him will start telling us they told us that signing him was a bad idea (While Rielly dominates elsewhere).
Luckily I'm pretty sure Riels is going nowhere.
 
dermott isnt the problem. Seattle can have him.

trade marner for jones.

rielly-jones
sutter-brodie
muzzin-holl
 
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phillipmike said:
Im just making common sense. If you are Dermott do you take 400-500k less if you believe you can get more after a team signed 6 defensemen before you? Neither of us have insider information but you are speculating that he took less out of the goodness of his heart? It makes no sense.
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He didn't have arb rights last year so he took his QO. He had no leverage.

This year, he could have filed.
 
Deebo said:
He didn't have arb rights last year so he took his QO. He had no leverage.

This year, he could have filed.
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But his options werent JUST the QO or nothing. If i recall correctly, Nylander didnt have arb rights yet he sat out for half a year and still got a better deal that what was being offered.
 
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But his options werent JUST the QO or nothing. If i recall correctly, Nylander didnt have arb rights yet he sat out for half a year and still got a better deal that what was being offered.
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His options were QO, or try to negotiate/sit out, he had no leverage, so he took the QO. Nylander had the leverage of withholding his services. Dermott could have tried that, but he wasn't a key piece like Nylander so I doubt that would have worked.

This year Dermott could file for arbitration and be guaranteed to get a deal prior to camp opening.
 
Folignos Helmet said:
Id bet Dermott is taken by Seattle. given all the teams who are cap strapped they would be best to take the cheapest good options from teams and then reap big rewards from cap trades. I’d say they lean to Dermott over Kerfoot.
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The other way to look at it is that there aren’t many centres likely available in the expansion draft. Kerfoot bring middle-6 C capabilities and wing flexibility to the Kraken.

Look at what happened with William Karlsson in Vegas. Would be a good opportunity for Kerfoot himself and close to hometown Vancouver. They would have to think he would be all in for the team.

We primarily want Kerfoot taken for cap reasons, not quality reasons. One of the few guys to show up in the playoffs. 3.5 is reasonable for an expansion team to get decent quality, flexibility, upside, and security but not extended commitment.

If he succeeds then no reason for either party to not extend the contract. Again, think William Karlsson. For Seattle there’s far more Dermott-types to choose from if you ask me and no guarantee he even makes top-6.
 
jiggy35 said:
The other way to look at it is that there aren’t many centres likely available in the expansion draft. Kerfoot bring middle-6 C capabilities and wing flexibility to the Kraken.

Look at what happened with William Karlsson in Vegas. Would be a good opportunity for Kerfoot himself and close to hometown Vancouver. They would have to think he would be all in for the team.

We primarily want Kerfoot taken for cap reasons, not quality reasons. One of the few guys to show up in the playoffs. 3.5 is reasonable for an expansion team to get decent quality, flexibility, upside, and security but not extended commitment.

If he succeeds then no reason for either party to not extend the contract. Again, think William Karlsson. For Seattle there’s far more Dermott-types to choose from if you ask me and no guarantee he even makes top-6.
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I also didn’t realize that the kraken had to draft a team that meets 60% of cap. So they can’t just draft all cheap contracts. So maybe Kerfoot.
 
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