Confirmed with Link: [TOR/PIT] RW Kapanen, D Lindgren, LW Aberg for '20 1st(15th), LW Rodrigues, C Hallander, D Warsofsky

[Fonzieleaf]

What makes you think that?

I’m on the Askarov wagon. Our goaltending depth is pathetic and this kid has Vaselivsky (sp) potential so I don’t think BPA is a consideration here. Reminds me a lot of Shestyorkin as well.

Yeah I’ve been thinking him as a possibility too. I’ve never seen a goalie get this much hype before a draft since Price. So that being said, it’ll be hard to believe he will be available at 15. If he is, it’ll be a real decision to make.

 

[Stephen]

Askarov is my favorite for wildcard upside potential and Schneider seems like the best organizational fit, but no slouch in the upside department either.

 

[Trapper]

He's 9 days younger than Robertson...

Which caused him to miss the draft last year. He will be turning 19 while others are at 18. That just might be enough to get him on the team sooner.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Mirtle said today it would be for taking a contract closer to league minimum

Yeah, that would be great.

 

[Dekes For Days]

You don't let players dictate terms.

We wanted that term, for good reason.

 

[Cor]

Mirtle mentioned today that he talked to a couple NHL execs from around the league, asking if they were in on Kapanen or came close to getting him and the sense was the Leafs likely weren’t offered a first round pick from other teams, let alone a 1st and a good prospect.


Essentially, Dubas took advantage of a GM who was desperate to make a change after a poor showing.

 

[Kiwi]

Mirtle mentioned today that he talked to a couple NHL execs from around the league, asking if they were in on Kapanen or came close to getting him and the sense was the Leafs likely weren’t offered a first round pick from other teams, let alone a 1st and a good prospect.


Essentially, Dubas took advantage of a GM who was desperate to make a change after a poor showing.

That particular GM does seem to fall in love with guys and not give a **** about what it takes to acquire them

Bold, not sure it's smart strategy but it's bold

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

He looks phenomenal in this video. Solid all around defensemen.

Wow. He's actually a pretty damn good skater.

 

[stickty111]

Mirtle mentioned today that he talked to a couple NHL execs from around the league, asking if they were in on Kapanen or came close to getting him and the sense was the Leafs likely weren’t offered a first round pick from other teams, let alone a 1st and a good prospect.


Essentially, Dubas took advantage of a GM who was desperate to make a change after a poor showing.

Thats funny. I was told the veteran GM's would take advantage of a young GM like Dubas.

 

[Stephen]

Mirtle mentioned today that he talked to a couple NHL execs from around the league, asking if they were in on Kapanen or came close to getting him and the sense was the Leafs likely weren’t offered a first round pick from other teams, let alone a 1st and a good prospect.


Essentially, Dubas took advantage of a GM who was desperate to make a change after a poor showing.

Yeah feels like Dubas really took advantage of Rutherford.

I've been following his career over the years and that guy has made some curious moves over the years. Traded 3 first rounders for Glen Wesley, traded Chris Pronger for Brendan Shanahan to fill a scoring need only to have Shanahan demand out of Hartford, traded a young J-S Giguere for Gary Roberts coming off of a career "ending" injury, etc. Kind of surprised he managed to win 3 cups.

 

[Superstar]

Mirtle mentioned today that he talked to a couple NHL execs from around the league, asking if they were in on Kapanen or came close to getting him and the sense was the Leafs likely weren’t offered a first round pick from other teams, let alone a 1st and a good prospect.


Essentially, Dubas took advantage of a GM who was desperate to make a change after a poor showing.

Rutherford is not afraid to make serious moves...getting Kessel helped him net 2 Stanley Cups. If Kapanen gels with Crosby, which I think he will because Crosby is a grinding centre not afraid to get dirty, and could feed Kapanen pucks for scoring chances...heck, Malkin plays that way too and could also gel with Kapanen...it will be a good move for Pittsburg if Kapanen becomes a 30 plus goal scoring winger...but this is a good trade for Dubas...he needs to keep doing these kinds of trades...no more Kadri for 2 smurfs kind of trades please!

 

[Buds17]

Mirtle mentioned today that he talked to a couple NHL execs from around the league, asking if they were in on Kapanen or came close to getting him and the sense was the Leafs likely weren’t offered a first round pick from other teams, let alone a 1st and a good prospect.


Essentially, Dubas took advantage of a GM who was desperate to make a change after a poor showing.

I can see why those other teams wouldn't want to trade away anything better than 15th overall though. I think this trade lined up well between two teams that were eliminated earlier than expected. It looks like a good deal.

 

[Just Rude]

Murray is available because he makes too much money. Rutherford bascially said that out loud yesterday.

He makes $3.75 million. I assume you mean Rutherford knows he is due a big raise as a RFA?

Which is part of the reason I am wary of trading for him, although the current economic climate could keep that number down.

 

[Warden of the North]

He makes $3.75 million. I assume you mean Rutherford knows he is due a big raise as a RFA?

Which is part of the reason I am wary of trading for him, although the current economic climate could keep that number down.

He's got a hell of an arbitration case.

Rutherford held nothing back in his interview on Overdrive. He literally said he's trading one of his goalies because they make too much money.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Mirtle mentioned today that he talked to a couple NHL execs from around the league, asking if they were in on Kapanen or came close to getting him and the sense was the Leafs likely weren’t offered a first round pick from other teams, let alone a 1st and a good prospect.


Essentially, Dubas took advantage of a GM who was desperate to make a change after a poor showing.

With the way Dubas gets bashed by the Leafs haters and they claim he sucks at making trades because they bring up him giving up a 1st round pick to get rid of Patrick Marleau, it's great to be on the other end where Dubas is the one taking advantage of a GM from another team.

 

[Its not your fault]

Personally, I'm really hesitant to sign Freddy to a bigger contract than he currently has that runs into his late 30's. We don't have the cap space to give him a significant raise and while goalies are unpredictable in general, at 30, he's at the back-end of his prime.

Murray's 26. His next contract will take him through his prime. He's also coming off a really bad year, so there's an element of risk but if you believe in him as a goalie, there's also an opportunity to get him at a below market rate going forward (which, again, given our cap situation, is needed).

In short, whether Murray is an upgrade on Andersen now might not matter if he's close to as good, maybe a little cheaper, and because he's younger. Just IMHO.

It's Stop Gap time. They are damned if they don't. Try something. One good trade down.

 

[stickty111]

Rutherford: can I have Liljegren
Dubas: sure, you can have Lindgren

This is probably how the conversation went
JR: Can I have that young Swedish kid?
Dubas: Sure you can have Lindgren
JR: Not knowing he mixed up the two, tells his people in excitement, we got Lindgren!
People: why Lindgren? He will likely never make it as his age
JR: he is only 20-21
People: what are you talking about? Thats Liljegren. You traded for Lindgren
JR: shocked, goes and calls Kyle
Dubas: call not received. Calls 5 minutes later and says, hey trade call was approved. Thanks for doing business. Bye
JR: left in agony

 

[SeaOfBlue]

This is probably how the conversation went
JR: Can I have that young Swedish kid?
Dubas: Sure you can have Lindgren
JR: Not knowing he mixed up the two, tells his people in excitement, we got Lindgren!
People: why Lindgren? He will likely never make it as his age
JR: he is only 20-21
People: what are you talking about? Thats Liljegren. You traded for Lindgren
JR: shocked, goes and calls Kyle
Dubas: call not received. Calls 5 minutes later and says, hey trade call was approved. Thanks for doing business. Bye
JR: left in agony

I think Lindgren could still amount to something. He has one more year of waiver exemption and can realistically be a top 4 RD in the AHL next year. If he takes a leap forward, he could challenge for a bottom pairing role in 2021-2022.

It was just not going to happen here with Liljegren in the system coming up at the same time, so I had a suspicion that he would be traded. Duszak and Hollowell have two more years of exemption so there is more time for them.

 

[cookie]

Interesting. I guess I should also stop being lazy and look at CapFriendly for the available/free agent goalies.

On the other issue, I just wonder how much a decent goaltender would cost as we of course have the cap crunch to deal with as well.

Goalies are voodoo, I would pencil Campbell in for 40~ games and run an on-going trio of smaller/older/overseas goalies at cheap contracts coming up and down from the Marlies. This way, you give Campbell his reps and you also get to weed out the non-performers and bury them. You also get some insurance as well in case of injury.

Guys to aim for: Dell, Anderson, Miller, Kaskisuo.

The thought of letting go of Andersen isn't popular and I'm not sure the kind of value a year rental at $5M will be perceived league-wide. There's also the 10-team NTC. It will all depend on where the team is at come trade deadline, getting rid of Andersen in the offseason and not replacing him with a similarly equivalent talent doesn't send a good message to the team.

 

[stickty111]

I think Lindgren could still amount to something. He has one more year of waiver exemption and can realistically be a top 4 RD in the AHL next year. If he takes a leap forward, he could challenge for a bottom pairing role in 2021-2022.

It was just not going to happen here with Liljegren in the system coming up at the same time, so I had a suspicion that he would be traded. Duszak and Hollowell have two more years of exemption so there is more time for them.

Yeah it was meant as a joke, but I still see him being a 3rd pair RHD. Next season will be key for him.

 

[Mickey Marner]

He's got a hell of an arbitration case.

Rutherford held nothing back in his interview on Overdrive. He literally said he's trading one of his goalies because they make too much money.

According to capfriendly, Pittsburgh was 28th in cap spent on goaltending this season. It's his defense that's overpaid. He probably doesn't want to qualify Murray at 3.75.

 

[kb]

With the way Dubas gets bashed by the Leafs haters and they claim he sucks at making trades because they bring up him giving up a 1st round pick to get rid of Patrick Marleau, it's great to be on the other end where Dubas is the one taking advantage of a GM from another team.

Even though he had very little in the way of options. Marleau changed his mind several times, limiting what choices Dubas had as the time ticked away.

 

[Macallan18]

The fact that it was Aberg and not Bracco was telling that Dubas either:

1. Is keeping Bracco
2. Thinks he can get something for him
3. Is already part of another deal

or Bracco is not rated as highly by NHL GM's as he is in the Leaf's fanbase?

 

[daveleaf]

Yeah feels like Dubas really took advantage of Rutherford.

I've been following his career over the years and that guy has made some curious moves over the years. Traded 3 first rounders for Glen Wesley, traded Chris Pronger for Brendan Shanahan to fill a scoring need only to have Shanahan demand out of Hartford, traded a young J-S Giguere for Gary Roberts coming off of a career "ending" injury, etc. Kind of surprised he managed to win 3 cups.

And won 3 cups. Curious, sure.

 

[Cor]

or Bracco is not rated as highly by NHL GM's as he is in the Leaf's fanbase?

Aberg isn’t there to add value. He’s already signed in the KHL. He was just a temporary body we sent them to even up the contracts right now.