Confirmed with Link: [TOR/PIT] RW Kapanen, D Lindgren, LW Aberg for '20 1st(15th), LW Rodrigues, C Hallander, D Warsofsky

[Matthews34]

Sounds to me like you made a post in the spur of the moment and now regret it and want to pretend that you didn't say you were done with the Leafs.

I don't regret anything. And still post in that thread but thanks forum detective you're our hero!

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Gimme MM for 5-6 and trade Andersen for a D + futures. That would be excellent asset management.

MM wants big money he has won 2 cups

Cap problem situation again with flat cap perhaps?

We'll have $16.5 m of cap space in 2021-22 with just 12 players signed. A $6 m AAV for Murray would put us at 13 players signed (hence 8 roster spots to fill) and just $10 m of project cap space. Hyman is UFA that year as well.

 

[Hclass47]

Cap problem situation again with flat cap perhaps?

We'll have $16.5 m of cap space in 2021-22 with just 12 players signed. A $6 m AAV for Murray would put us at 13 players signed (hence 8 roster spots to fill) and just $10 m of project cap space. Hyman is UFA that year as well.

One of the big contracts will have to go to make room. If they plan on keeping Hyman Reilly Or Anderson Or sign a significant FA

It’s inevitable at this point and if there is no success in the playoffs this coming season one of the big 4 will have to go

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Think Dermott is willing to get squeezed hard on a two year deal to remain a Leaf? Thinking a Jacob Larsson style 1.2 x 2.

I think every single player looking for a new contract over the next few years will get squeezed. Big time. Half the teams will be cap-strapped, the other half will be looking for internal budgets closers to $70 million.

Which helps the leafs in the sense that they should fill holes on the cheap. But hinders the leafs given that other teams star rfa's will be signing for MUCH less than the leafs core in the short term.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

80 points - not 90. Terevainen had 139 points over the last 2 seasons and he cost a 2nd/3rd, and came with a small cap dump.

And yes, Kapanen's has already been replaced internally. How hard is it to find an inconsistent effort guy who has speed to burn, but tunnel vision and kills every line he's on?

And no, Hallander will only be on the cap if he makes the team. Rodrigues will only be on the cap or the team if he takes a league minimum deal. That would be 2 players for $1.5 million instead of 1 player for $3.2 million. That's $2.4/2.5 million in savings for one player.

Teravainen had been coming off 17 goals/44 points over his previous 2 seasons before being traded.

 

[grapes55]

He has an NMC and needs to be bought out because he decided to change his mind to SJS only last second. The buy out deadline is before his bonuses are paid, so regardless of retention the team trading for him would need to pay his bonus and carry his buyout cap hit as dead money.

The actual solution was having Marleau not be a child and accept a trade somewhere close to SJS with no buyout demands, that would have cost much less with no residual cap hit on our side.

Eh, he was just exercising the rights in the contract we gave him, can't really blame him there

 

[7even]

This is why I can't stand the Toronto media. They say how Dubas needed to get more under the salary cap which he did today and Damien Cox is complaining about the value of the trade for the Leafs.

I love Damien and Steve Simmons. They're like the two lights on in the backyard in the middle of summer and all the idiots flock and flit around them. It's an important service.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I love Damien and Steve Simmons. They're like the two lights on in the backyard in the middle of summer and all the idiots flock and flit around them. It's an important service.

The unfortunate thing is that a good portion of the Leafs fanbase think exactly like them, which is really concerning.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Eh, he was just exercising the rights in the contract we gave him, can't really blame him there

Just going off the reports as the situation developed, he was ok with just being closer to San Jose (LA, Arizona, Colorado were mentioned), and he was clearly ok living elsewhere considering he wound up in Pittsburgh.

If he had told management that he 100% only wants to be bought out so he can go to San Jose, they would have had all Spring/Summer to figure something out. He changed his mind from getting traded to LA/COL/ARZ to buyout only with something like a week left until the buyout deadline. Frankly I'm surprised we managed to find anyone willing to set 6.25 mil in cash and cap on fire with less than a week's notice.

This was along the lines of taking a two week vacation and sending in your two weeks notice from the airplane. Technically within your rights, sure, but you're still an asshat.

 

[Rob Brown]

I don't regret anything. And still post in that thread but thanks forum detective you're our hero!

It's not really detective work. It's on the top of the main boards, lol.

And if you aren't a Leafs fan can you really say "our" in here? Just bizarre stuff. Go post elsewhere if you aren't a Leafs fan anymore.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

From what I have read Hallander hasnt played center in a while and is a left winger mainly. Can anyone confirm this?

 

[JayfromNB1219]

This tweet from a Pittsburgh based blogger AFTER their team traded away a prospect must thrill you considering it has a negative spin on this.

thats why most posters on the PIT boards are pissed about giving up Hallander AND a first

 

[NinjaKick]

smart trade... opens up crucial cap space and we get a decent pick in a deep draft... Dubas did well here...

best of luck to Kap

 

[SeaOfBlue]

From what I have read Hallander hasnt played center in a while and is a left winger mainly. Can anyone confirm this?

His style of play suits a LW more than a center I would say. Personally, I am fine with it.

The main thing I would want out of him is to still work on draws so he is a factor on the PK or can draw in at center if we need him.

 

[nuck]

Except there's no reason to think that was a possible solution. I know people are here love to "hurr durr Dubas bad I much smrtr" but I'm pretty sure if that was an option Dubas would have taken it. Dubas didn't just call teams going "Take Marleau here's our first as a sweetener, I'm new did I do this right?"

Forgive me Spargon but I am going to have to use this next time KD steps out of line.

 

[X66]

Crozier,Esposito,Barrasso,Turek and Fuhr have a bunch of trophies that say they can do very if they have the talent.

That's 5 guys, from decades ago.

Not something you really see anymore with right catching guys.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

His style of play suits a LW more than a center I would say. Personally, I am fine with it.

The main thing I would want out of him is to still work on draws so he is a factor on the PK or can draw in at center if we need him.

I have no hopes for him yet as I do not know nearly enough about him haha. I wonder if the leafs keep AJ for this seasons to pump up his value and then replace him with Hallander for a nice 2.8 million dollar savings. Another PK option who could actually win draws consistently would be nice though.

 

[Spargon]

Forgive me Spargon but I am going to have to use this next time KD steps out of line.

Feel free to use it, won't make it true lol

 

[Joey Hoser]

After reading and thinking about this trade for a couple days, that's a really good haul for Kapanen. 15th overall and a decent prospect for a guy playing on your third line is quite the deal. Not going to look as good when Kapanen is scoring 25-30 goals next to Crosby or Malkin, but he was never going to do that here, because he was always going to be behind Marner and Nylander. It's especially good value back when you consider that this is a move designed to give the Leafs flexibility and cap space, which is the type of trade you rarely win with.

But that's just the value. Part of how this trade shakes out, is what they do with the cap space earned and the pick. If they don't spend the 3 million wisely and the first rounder doesn't turn into anything that contributes in the near future, then this trade doesn't help much of anything.

 

[pylon17]

That's 5 guys, from decades ago.

Not something you really see anymore with right catching guys.

I think the Capitals have a A+ right handed goalie prospect, who's also a Russian 1st rounder.

 

[kb]

I think the Capitals have a A+ right handed goalie prospect, who's also a Russian 1st rounder.

Markstrom too.

 

[Duckrider]

After reading and thinking about this trade for a couple days, that's a really good haul for Kapanen. 15th overall and a decent prospect for a guy playing on your third line is quite the deal. Not going to look as good when Kapanen is scoring 25-30 goals next to Crosby or Malkin, but he was never going to do that here, because he was always going to be behind Marner and Nylander. It's especially good value back when you consider that this is a move designed to give the Leafs flexibility and cap space, which is the type of trade you rarely win with.

But that's just the value. Part of how this trade shakes out, is what they do with the cap space earned and the pick. If they don't spend the 3 million wisely and the first rounder doesn't turn into anything that contributes in the near future, then this trade doesn't help much of anything.

One thing we can not fault management with is not trying the guy out. He got lots of shots with our top guys. Everyone is just hoping he just needs a different type of player to play with.

 

[Stephen]

Markstrom too.

Markstrom’s a lefty, and so is Samsonov.

 

[Just Rude]

Gimme MM for 5-6 and trade Andersen for a D + futures. That would be excellent asset management.

I don't understand the Matt Murray love. Two Cups on a loaded team, and Andersen has both a better career save percentage and GAA.

Don't get me wrong, he's a very good goalie, but I'm not sure he is that much of an upgrade on Freddie. I mean, the argument can be made that his save percentage / GAA are better in the playoffs (.921/.916), but if we are going big-game hunting for a goaltender, I'd almost want to trade up a few sports for Askarov and solidify the position for at least the next decade.

That said, even Price had to wait a couple of years, so not sure Askarov could jump in right away.

 

[Duckrider]

I don't understand the Matt Murray love. Two Cups on a loaded team, and Andersen has both a better career save percentage and GAA.

Don't get me wrong, he's a very good goalie, but I'm not sure he is that much of an upgrade on Freddie. I mean, the argument can be made that his save percentage / GAA are better in the playoffs (.921/.16), but if we are going big-game hunting for a goaltender, I'd almost want to trade up a few sports for Askarov and solidify the position for at least the next decade.

That said, even Price had to wait a couple of years, so not sure Askarov could jump in right away.

Yes numbers are numbers. But wins are wins! If you have a goalie that has just ok numbers but gets you the win, are you getting rid of him? Noooo!!!!!! But if you don't win, numbers don't mean shit.