Confirmed with Link: [TOR/PIT] RW Kapanen, D Lindgren, LW Aberg for '20 1st(15th), LW Rodrigues, C Hallander, D Warsofsky

[aingefan]

How long did it take Carlo to play? Same player but better wheels and tools.

Established team and strong veteran supports enabled that.
Be nice to develop that in house.

 

[Field of Dreams]

One of Kapanen or Johnsson had to go to make the numbers work next year. If there is any truth to Kapanen lacking professionalism, then it was a good choice to get rid of him.

Kapanen is the type of player that changes the way the other team plays because of his speed. While most don't adequately value Kapanen, I'm happy with the package we have received, considering cap space is at a premium league wide and the Seattle expansion is within the horizon.

The trade has reinvigorated our eviscerated farm, but has left our roster worse. This team has no shortage of talent or assets, but is poorly constructed.

Dubas needs to step up and trade a premier forward for a premier RD. Dubas would also be wise to diversify the skill sets of the team.

 

[aingefan]

He’s a good player. Personal things are not my concern. He’s just a good player that had something go wrong that looks internal and should stay internal. I’m talking strictly as a hockey player. He missed leading the AHL in scoring. Was killing penalties well and progressing on his defensive game. Playing powerplay. Everything that indicated he was coming along. Then boom,he’s home. Whatever that was i hope they forget it is my thinking. He was becoming a decent prospect.
Even if it was a battle between him and the team it’s all forgettable because as long as they weren’t insulting each others Mothers all is good ha. I would like to see him around. Most don’t but i am not one of them. Actually I completely disagree with the posters that slag him with no understanding of what was going on. I don’t know what happened i know that. So as a hockey player he was coming along nice is my thinking. I hope they can keep him,he’s a good kid.

It wouldn’t hurt if he got back on track, we agree.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Not under my scenario where Marner takes 2.5-3M less on a bridge deal and Leafs retain that from Marleau's cap hit. You then deal Marleau and the rest of his cap hit and a 2nd or AJ if you like.

A bridge deal only looks better now because a global pandemic came along and stagnated the cap. Prior to that, getting 3 less years for the difference between a 1st and a 2nd was not close to worth it, if that was even available.

 

[ToneDog]

He has an NMC and needs to be bought out because he decided to change his mind to SJS only last second. The buy out deadline is before his bonuses are paid, so regardless of retention the team trading for him would need to pay his bonus and carry his buyout cap hit as dead money.

The actual solution was having Marleau not be a child and accept a trade somewhere close to SJS with no buyout demands, that would have cost much less with no residual cap hit on our side.

All I am saying is that they could have moved him to the same Canes but for a portion of his cap hit not the full cap hit and retain the rest. This way the additional cost is less a first. Of course you have to have the cap space yourself and that would have been from Marner's.

 

[Mr Knies Guy]

We need an anchor Pronger/Chara type ...it is what we are missing MOST ... they don't last in draft EVER because they are what makes you WIN

Pronger's dont exist anymore in this game, unfortunately. He was a nasty piece of business and uber smart/talented, a rare unicorn.

Same goes for Chara, except he was drafted in the 3rd and the Isles gave up on him

 

[ToneDog]

I do see your point, but trading Kapanen last summer still doesn't get you #15 and Hallander....for an unsigned RFA, you are looking at probably a second and 3rd/4th at best.

In retrospect, a Marner bridge deal in all likelihood would have killed the contention window. The flat cap means no money to resign Marner when he needs a new contract as he would come up at the same time as Rielly, Sandin, and Campbell.....and a 4 year deal would have walked him straight to UFA.

In the end, the Leafs got to keep Kapanen for an extra season, and then sold high on him. Not a bad consolation prize.

If you combine those 2 deals, this is the outcome.

Out: Marleau, Kapanen, 1st, Lindgren, Aberg

In: Hallander, 1st, 6th, Rodrigues, Warsofsky, $7.5 million cap space.

Seems to be a decent trade off all things considered.

Not sure why you would have moved Lappy last year. Under my scenario it was not neccsary but like I said no sense in crying over spilt milk or beating a dead horse. Onward and forward. Personally I am going to try to be more positive

 

[Rob Brown]

Yes I did but it doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on NHL team. Or are opinions only reserved for people you approve of or have a hive mind with????

Why haven't you changed your name then? If you don't like the Leafs and are no longer a fan then you should share your opinions on the general boards rather than here.

 

[080]

If we plan to go deeper in 2021 playoffs (assuming there is even a season) then we need 3 defensive defenders (one for each pairing) and to account for injury which happens frequently to defenders. Right now we got Muzzy. We need 2 more guys who can play like him. Maybe Gudas and Dillon/Edmundson. Then we got a real shot at advancing assuming we get better tending.
Rielly Edmundson
Muzzy Dermy
Sandin Gudas
Holl
Now we got 7 guys going into playoffs who can play.
If we stay PAT with Holl in our top 4 then we should all expect exactly same issues next year. This issue must be fixed NOW. It has been a HUGE problem for team past 4 years. Until it is solved we are going nowhere come playoff time. To me that is all that matters is playoff hockey. I could care less about regular season hockey.

This is the most realistic scenario I've seen. We don't need Pietrangelo or to spend a pile of assets trying to get players HF overrates. Two seasons ago Rielly had a great season with Hainsey. And Polak did a great job on our third pairing.

We need to go after some guys who are steady, veteran defensemen who are only going to cost us money.

 

[Stephen]

In the big picture it won't really matter because when the dust settles the final outcome will be the same.

This current Kapanen deal weakens the present but strengthens the future... However Dubas future as GM is dependent on the present. So we have a conundrum here presented before us to solve.

So while I appreciate Dubas' effort for not leaving the prospect cupboard bare for the next Leafs GM by this move, its also highly probable that this new 1st rounder obtained is also dealt away in an effort to strengthen this current squad as we're now in job preservation mode and need immediate results.

The panel discussed this yesterday during the games and its already been confirmed that Leafs 1st this year is in play if the right deal comes along that helps the Leafs improve. So the motivation will be high that the future once again will be invested in the present all things considered.

It doesn't really weaken the present at all because it opens up $3.2 million in cap that can be used this offseason. My preference would be to keep the pick and then sign a UFA so you get even more mileage. My thinking is the flat cap will result in lower salaries and you get more bang for the buck.

 

[kb]

Not sure why you would have moved Lappy last year. Under my scenario it was not neccsary but like I said no sense in crying over spilt milk or beating a dead horse. Onward and forward. Personally I am going to try to be more positive

Hahaha. Well, someone still would have had to move if you trade Marleau and retain 50%....which in itself still would have needed a significant sweetener.

I am hoping for Andersen and Johnsson to go next. Then go AP shopping.

 

[Superstar]

The only thing that sours me on Askarov is that he is a right hand glove goalie.

Historically they don't really thrive.

You mean he can't be clutch like Hutch?

 

[ToneDog]

Hahaha. Well, someone still would have had to move if you trade Marleau and retain 50%....which in itself still would have needed a significant sweetener.

I am hoping for Andersen and Johnsson to go next. Then go AP shopping.

The money would have come by bridging Marner at a lower number and yes you would still need a significant sweetner to offser the sour in Marleau's contract.

I can see AJ going next and freeing up another 3.4M. Andy to the Canes might work. With COVID as @Stephen said, you get more bang for the buck so we should be players in the UFA market this year. Dubas just needs to sign the right guys at the right numbers

 

[JT AM da real deal]

This is the most realistic scenario I've seen. We don't need Pietrangelo or to spend a pile of assets trying to get players HF overrates. Two seasons ago Rielly had a great season with Hainsey. And Polak did a great job on our third pairing.

We need to go after some guys who are steady, veteran defensemen who are only going to cost us money.

And we need to be patient with our younger defense as they progress and develop over a regular season ... Lily needs to get into 20-25 games next season over a stretch to feel comfortable when someone gets injured ... and sandin and dermy can be properly vet trained like they do in Boston ... people want Cup right now and bottom line is we are not there yet even though we got JT ... we have to develop da proper defensive philosophy and then back it up with vet training ... coaches can help out sure but what really develops a pro D is da learning shift to shift game to game from someone who has been through da ropes

 

[Gary Nylund]

The trade has reinvigorated our eviscerated farm, but has left our roster worse. This team has no shortage of talent or assets, but is poorly constructed.

Dubas needs to step up and trade a premier forward for a premier RD. Dubas would also be wise to diversify the skill sets of the team.

I couldn't agree more. Unfortunately, I get the feeling Dubas is too stubborn to trade one of those guys, hope I'm wrong.

A bridge deal only looks better now because a global pandemic came along and stagnated the cap. Prior to that, getting 3 less years for the difference between a 1st and a 2nd was not close to worth it, if that was even available.

Considering that the Marner contract was a clear overpayment, it was obvious right away that a bridge deal would have been better as there was basically zero chance that he'd play well enough to deserve more money then they paid him on this deal.

Bridge deal for Marner - zero downside, definitely potential upside.

 

[ToneDog]

And we need to be patient with our younger defense as they progress and develop over a regular season ... Lily needs to get into 20-25 games next season over a stretch to feel comfortable when someone gets injured ... and sandin and dermy can be properly vet trained like they do in Boston ... people want Cup right now and bottom line is we are not there yet even though we got JT ... we have to develop da proper defensive philosophy and then back it up with vet training ... coaches can help out sure but what really develops a pro D is da learning shift to shift game to game from someone who has been through da ropes

Sign Tanev although he might have some miles on him. He is likely to miss 20-25 games and give Lily his shot In a perfect world Tanev would be healthy for the playoffs with Lily ready on standby.

 

[Martin Skoula]

All I am saying is that they could have moved him to the same Canes but for a portion of his cap hit not the full cap hit and retain the rest. This way the additional cost is less a first. Of course you have to have the cap space yourself and that would have been from Marner's.

Carolina still has to pay his bonus and set a bunch of buyout cash on fire. It's not a cap hit issue, Carolina's owner has to spend millions in cash up front without making his team any better right away.

There was a time where Marleau with retention would have been the best move, but that time was before he decided that he's going to use his NMC to enforce SJS or bust. Even no retention, Marleau with his bonus paid out costs us a mid round pick to get rid of if he's willing to play for LA/ARI/COL.

 

[EGL22]

The only thing that sours me on Askarov is that he is a right hand glove goalie.

Historically they don't really thrive.

Crozier,Esposito,Barrasso,Turek and Fuhr have a bunch of trophies that say they can do very if they have the talent.

 

[4thline]

If we plan to go deeper in 2021 playoffs (assuming there is even a season) then we need 3 defensive defenders (one for each pairing) and to account for injury which happens frequently to defenders. Right now we got Muzzy. We need 2 more guys who can play like him. Maybe Gudas and Dillon/Edmundson. Then we got a real shot at advancing assuming we get better tending.
Rielly Edmundson
Muzzy Dermy
Sandin Gudas
Holl
Now we got 7 guys going into playoffs who can play.
If we stay PAT with Holl in our top 4 then we should all expect exactly same issues next year. This issue must be fixed NOW. It has been a HUGE problem for team past 4 years. Until it is solved we are going nowhere come playoff time. To me that is all that matters is playoff hockey. I could care less about regular season hockey.

I think it more likely that we bring in one of those types in the off-season, roll with Holl in the top 6 until the deadline, then bring in a rental

 

[Mess]

It doesn't really weaken the present at all because it opens up $3.2 million in cap that can be used this offseason. My preference would be to keep the pick and then sign a UFA so you get even more mileage. My thinking is the flat cap will result in lower salaries and you get more bang for the buck.

Cap space doesn't score goals nor make saves.

Kapanen had 33 goals 57 assists and 90 points over the past 2 seasons.

I agree its now how that new cap space is deployed in comparison to Kapanen's past contribution that either strengthens or weakens the current team Cup competitiveness. Keep in mind Rodigues and Hallandar acquired in this deal occupy cap space if they are on next years team.

 

[Superstar]

Here are some Team Canada highlights with Craig Button comments

The kid's got elite hockey instincts...engages in the rough stuff and could skate like the wind for d man.

 

[Stephen]

Cap space doesn't score goals nor make saves.

Kapanen had 33 goals 57 assists and 90 points over the past 2 seasons.

I agree its now how that new cap space is deployed in comparison to Kapanen's past contribution that either strengthens or weakens the current team Cup competitiveness. Keep in mind Rodigues and Hallandar acquired in this deal occupy cap space if they are on next years team.

We should probably walk away from Rodrigues in most scenarios, and try to take advantage of the market if teams are walking away from QO's (from players in a similar position to Rodrigues).

 

[Stephen]

The kid's got elite hockey instincts...engages in the rough stuff and could skate like the wind for d man.

Schneider and Askarov would both be stellar picks from the discussion about their potential and our organizational needs.

 

[al secord]

Can cap space play right D?

 

[The Podium]

Sign Tanev although he might have some miles on him. He is likely to miss 20-25 games and give Lily his shot In a perfect world Tanev would be healthy for the playoffs with Lily ready on standby.

That is actually a very good point. Also possible that Keefe tries some Nick Nurse Kawhi-like game management and sits him frequently to maintain his health, although that would be unprecedented in the NHL. Lilly gets some reps in and a smooth transition to the big team.

Tanev and Rielly were a great pair in the past, maybe that works now.