Confirmed with Link: [TOR/PIT] RW Kapanen, D Lindgren, LW Aberg for '20 1st(15th), LW Rodrigues, C Hallander, D Warsofsky

[JT AM da real deal]

lea

Just going off the reports as the situation developed, he was ok with just being closer to San Jose (LA, Arizona, Colorado were mentioned), and he was clearly ok living elsewhere considering he wound up in Pittsburgh.

If he had told management that he 100% only wants to be bought out so he can go to San Jose, they would have had all Spring/Summer to figure something out. He changed his mind from getting traded to LA/COL/ARZ to buyout only with something like a week left until the buyout deadline. Frankly I'm surprised we managed to find anyone willing to set 6.25 mil in cash and cap on fire with less than a week's notice.

This was along the lines of taking a two week vacation and sending in your two weeks notice from the airplane. Technically within your rights, sure, but you're still an asshat.

It did not matter what he thought. Leafs told him right in exit interview he was not coming back. All everybody did was not make light of fact we did not want him back. No one was shocked. It was known at camp before season started that father time had kicked in. Within a week after playoffs ended his family moved back to their SJ home. Leafs could have chosen to keep him around and scratch him but babs made some promises and put us in a bad spot. We were trying to get out of a bad situation. It was one of da main reasons why Babs was let go. It is hard to get rid of a HOFer where stupid promises were made and an extra year was given away. At some point when Lou retires out of hockey da real story will get out. Until then da guy is way too classy to spill da beans.

 

[Just Rude]

Yes numbers are numbers. But wins are wins! If you have a goalie that has just ok numbers but gets you the win, are you getting rid of him? Noooo!!!!!!

Is that why two-time Cup champion Matt Murray is going to be available in a trade?

 

[Warden of the North]

Is that why two-time Cup champion Matt Murray is going to be available in a trade?

Murray is available because he makes too much money. Rutherford bascially said that out loud yesterday.

 

[Mr Knies Guy]

I don't understand the Matt Murray love. Two Cups on a loaded team, and Andersen has both a better career save percentage and GAA.

Don't get me wrong, he's a very good goalie, but I'm not sure he is that much of an upgrade on Freddie. I mean, the argument can be made that his save percentage / GAA are better in the playoffs (.921/.916), but if we are going big-game hunting for a goaltender, I'd almost want to trade up a few sports for Askarov and solidify the position for at least the next decade.

That said, even Price had to wait a couple of years, so not sure Askarov could jump in right away.

You'd rather throw a rookie to the wolves when we are in win-mode? That makes zero sense.

You're also forgetting where I said it's about asset management. To me MM is not a downgrade on Andersen, so get an asset rather than lose him for nothing and then replace him with a proven winner

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Murray is available because he makes too much money. Rutherford bascially said that allowed yesterday.

I am curious to see what he ends up with myself. I think if he agreed to 4.2-4.5M on a bridge this would have been a done deal already. But we will see what other teams offer in a sign and trade after he gets his qualifying offer.

 

[BAM]

He is a small rookie that will bleed goals against and get pushed around the first couple years. His first step is crazy slow also
They got worse

It must suck to not know what you're talking about.

 

[htpwn]

I don't understand the Matt Murray love. Two Cups on a loaded team, and Andersen has both a better career save percentage and GAA.

Don't get me wrong, he's a very good goalie, but I'm not sure he is that much of an upgrade on Freddie. I mean, the argument can be made that his save percentage / GAA are better in the playoffs (.921/.916), but if we are going big-game hunting for a goaltender, I'd almost want to trade up a few sports for Askarov and solidify the position for at least the next decade.

That said, even Price had to wait a couple of years, so not sure Askarov could jump in right away.

Personally, I'm really hesitant to sign Freddy to a bigger contract than he currently has that runs into his late 30's. We don't have the cap space to give him a significant raise and while goalies are unpredictable in general, at 30, he's at the back-end of his prime.

Murray's 26. His next contract will take him through his prime. He's also coming off a really bad year, so there's an element of risk but if you believe in him as a goalie, there's also an opportunity to get him at a below market rate going forward (which, again, given our cap situation, is needed).

In short, whether Murray is an upgrade on Andersen now might not matter if he's close to as good, maybe a little cheaper, and because he's younger. Just IMHO.

 

[Martin Skoula]

lea
It did not matter what he thought. Leafs told him right in exit interview he was not coming back. All everybody did was not make light of fact we did not want him back. No one was shocked. It was known at camp before season started that father time had kicked in. Within a week after playoffs ended his family moved back to their SJ home. Leafs could have chosen to keep him around and scratch him but babs made some promises and put us in a bad spot. We were trying to get out of a bad situation. It was one of da main reasons why Babs was let go. It is hard to get rid of a HOFer where stupid promises were made and an extra year was given away. At some point when Lou retires out of hockey da real story will get out. Until then da guy is way too classy to spill da beans.

Lou and Babcock promised him a run at the games played record to get him over here? That would be pretty embarassing for everyone involved.

 

[BodaciousBeefBazooka]

Which players can score 20 goals, good defense, good special teams, super fast, physical for 3mil?

Myself

 

[Menzinger]

They can walk away, but Dubas said in his interview that he will talk to his agent.

Mirtle said today it would be for taking a contract closer to league minimum

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Lou and Babcock promised him a run at the games played record to get him over here? That would be pretty embarassing for everyone involved.

I call it disgusting ... to me as soon as a guy asks for that well i am running da other way ... a good team guy would say look I am s*cking out there and no longer have lungs to keep up so i will make things easy for you and RETIRE

 

[Leafmealone11]

It must suck to not know what you're talking about.

It must suck to think you do when you really don’t.
He will have a learning curve like all rookies before him he will not show up and dominate, sorry won’t happen. He is not Mcdavid or Crosby

 

[Martin Skoula]

I call it disgusting ... to me as soon as a guy asks for that well i am running da other way ... a good team guy would say look I am s*cking out there and no longer have lungs to keep up so i will make things easy for you and RETIRE

I mean a guy who cares about the record isn't diving face first in front of the puck in a game 7. And we gave him more years and more money than San Jose was offering for the privilege? I didn't think I could have a worse opinion about the signing but here we are.

 

[Menzinger]

What Dubas plans to do with him will be interesting to see if he is part of the Leafs plan or not.

If the Leafs are going to walk away (which I agree is best option), but then why was he involved in this trade if you have no interest in the player?

His current rate of $2 mil is certainly not appetizing that you would qualify him at. He also has arbitration rights that he could file to let an arbitrator decide his next deal that Leafs would likely walk away from if they lose if that process if it ever came down to that. .

So what would his agent and him agree to sign a contract with the Leafs for. In the past if a team believes the contract rate is too high they negotiate a multi-year deal at a lower one ie trade his 1 year at $2 mil QO for 2 years @ $1.25 -1.5 mil per and then he lowers his cap but still takes home $2.5-$3 mil over the course of this contract. Also a contract at that point that could be buried in the AHL with only a small residual cap hit concern if he doesn't make the team.

He's get guranteed money in a UFA market where by all accounts teams aren't looking to spend money on depth pieces.

He may value the financial security of a guaranteed 750k vs the risk of not having many suitors

 

[Mess]

He's get guranteed money in a UFA market where by all accounts teams aren't looking to spend money on depth pieces.

He may value the financial security of a guaranteed 750k vs the risk of not having many suitors

A player coming off a $2 mil contract taking league minimum for Leafs seems like hopeful thinking because if the Leafs don't qualify him he can shop his services around the league as a UFA.

He goes from ELC 2 year $675k as undrafted UFA coming out of college to sign deal at 2 year @$925k to a 1 year $2 mil deal and then takes league minimum mostly due to Leafs cap issues.

 

[Menzinger]

A player coming off a $2 mil contract taking league minimum for Leafs seems like hopeful thinking because if the Leafs don't qualify him he can shop his services around the league as a UFA.

He may want to, but it will depend on if anyone else is willing to give him more than league minimum. He didn't exactly have a stellar season.

Media accounts seems to suggest depth guys are going to get absolutely squeezed in free agency during a flat cap era

 

[orbiter11]

Just want to mention this now. I think the more necessary move was moving Nylander(probably would have got a little better package). Matthews has proved he can score 40 plus goals with anyone thats on his line. Kapanen was our only physical forward on a sweetheart deal,that we took 3 years to develop. Don't be surprised if Kappy gets 25 goals and Lindgren pans out for Pittsburgh.

 

[orbiter11]

A bridge deal only looks better now because a global pandemic came along and stagnated the cap. Prior to that, getting 3 less years for the difference between a 1st and a 2nd was not close to worth it, if that was even available.

NO. A bridge deal made sense when a GM realized Marners camp wanted an unrealistic contract. Id have been happy with a 2 to 3 year bridge contract and a more prudent GM would have done this. You don't let players dictate terms.

 

[Gallagbi]

A player coming off a $2 mil contract taking league minimum for Leafs seems like hopeful thinking because if the Leafs don't qualify him he can shop his services around the league as a UFA.

He goes from ELC 2 year $675k as undrafted UFA coming out of college to sign deal at 2 year @$925k to a 1 year $2 mil deal and then takes league minimum mostly due to Leafs cap issues.

Seems more like it'd be due to a down year and a global pandemic.

He asked for a trade from Buffalo and then didn't play much in Pitts. Seems like league minimum will be the going rate for 13/14th forwards

 

[Fonzieleaf]

For me you draft BPA, not for your current needs. If there's a forward with top 6 potential or an OFD, take him. Not comparing the two at all, but after Schenn, I'm a little gun shy on DFDs that high up. But he does look absolutely legit

I understand with Schenn but to be fair we are drafting 15th rather than 5th. And we threw Schenn to the wolves letting him play right after being drafted. The right thing to do would’ve been to put him in junior another year.

 

[Smif]

Here are some Team Canada highlights with Craig Button comments

He looks phenomenal in this video. Solid all around defensemen.

 

[Trapper]

What's Schinders upside? Maybe a descent two way D. Where Askarov ceiling is a potential superstar and a franchise goalie

Jack Quinn growth this year has been rediclous. Going from 12 goals to 52 insane jump.

Now that we’re back in the game we have options. I don’t think either will be there so we will see.

 

[LeafParade]

He may want to, but it will depend on if anyone else is willing to give him more than league minimum. He didn't exactly have a stellar season.

Media accounts seems to suggest depth guys are going to get absolutely squeezed in free agency during a flat cap era

4th lines are basically going to get the minimum next year. There is basically no money.
I can't see the Leafs offering him more than 1 M. They are probably counting on him signing with Toronto because he is a local kid.

 

[Trapper]

He looks phenomenal in this video. Solid all around defensemen.

And he’s a late birthday which means he missed being eligible for the draft last year by a week or two. Just like Matthews missed the McDavid/Eichel draft by a few days. That should put his curve ahead of those born in the 2002 range.

 

[Smif]

And he’s a late birthday which means he missed being eligible for the draft last year by a week or two. Just like Matthews missed the McDavid/Eichel draft by a few days. That should put his curve ahead of those born in the 2002 range.

He's 9 days younger than Robertson...