Confirmed with Link: [TOR/PIT] RW Kapanen, D Lindgren, LW Aberg for '20 1st(15th), LW Rodrigues, C Hallander, D Warsofsky

[Trojans86]

I'll take Comtois back in the deal then.

To Anaheim

Nylander
15th overall

To Toronto

Manson
Rackell
Comtois

Comtois would be a perfect, NHL ready, 21 year old, bottom 6 winger, with upside and on his ELC. Add him and another quality bottom 6 forward in the Demott deal and you've replaced your winger depth and fixed your defense core.

Not even remotely close. Ducks laugh at that.

 

[selltrade]

Can the Leafs walkaway from ER or do they need to qualify him?

 

[kb]

Not even remotely close. Ducks laugh at that.

Sigh. It always happens. Every team's least knowledgeable fans come on here holier than thou saying the Leafs players are worthless. Did you not see what happened today? It happens every single time. The hockey world is shocked at the value the Leafs get, then the opposing fans - in a massive group fit of swallowing their socks/sandal combo - become turncoats and claim the pieces that originally were way out of reach and 'laughable'.....suddenly those players became worthless and the Leafs got hosed.

Again, every single time.

The trade is laughable, but you have it backwards. Giving up years of cost certainty and control, plus a #15 pick....gets way more than that from Anaheim. The Leafs are giving up the 2 most valuable pieces in the deal.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Can the Leafs walkaway from ER or do they need to qualify him?

They can choose to not QO him, which is likely going to happen.

If he stays around, he is going to be a league minimum player. I think they want a chance to negotiate with him and if it does not work out, they may decide to deal him or just let him hit UFA. He could be a decent depth scorer, and has good underlying numbers, but not something the Leafs do not already have with guys like Petan and Malgin... and Rodrigues is older.

 

[AcerComputer]

So now the criteria is first round picks?

I guess we’ll be drafting a Swedish defensemen playing in the OHL this year

Taking a flyer on a russian or a goalie in the later rounds is not a significant or critical pick. Korshakov is the only significant pick I cna think of in recent memory, where I was surprised we drafted a Russian so high.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Not even remotely close. Ducks laugh at that.

Actually, the Leafs laugh at that.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

So now the criteria is first round picks?

I guess we’ll be drafting a Swedish defensemen playing in the OHL this year

There is still a European factor that people do not take into account. It is not like it was 10 years ago where people were afraid top Russians or Euros would not come over- I am not sure that was ever a thing- but I am surprised at the number of Russians especially that get drafted every year. Swedes, Finns, etc. are more willing to stick around in North America as lesser players, but Russians do not. If they are not at least a quality role player, they usually do not stick around. So why teams continue to draft a bunch of Russians and Euros who do not even have the upside to keep them in North America is something I would like to know.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Can the Leafs walkaway from ER or do they need to qualify him?

They can walk away, but Dubas said in his interview that he will talk to his agent.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Sad to see Kapanen go, but good trade.

 

[FLpanthers16]

14 in 27 as a teenager in a league where PPG is unheard of is very good.


Specially after breaking his leg to start the year, this comes from someone who watched every game of him last year.

 

[BrainyBomber]

There is still a European factor that people do not take into account. It is not like it was 10 years ago where people were afraid top Russians or Euros would not come over- I am not sure that was ever a thing- but I am surprised at the number of Russians especially that get drafted every year. Swedes, Finns, etc. are more willing to stick around in North America as lesser players, but Russians do not. If they are not at least a quality role player, they usually do not stick around. So why teams continue to draft a bunch of Russians and Euros who do not even have the upside to keep them in North America is something I would like to know.

They wouldn't draft them if they didn't think those players have the upside to stay in NA.

Can you blame them for leaving tho? Can make almost as much in the KHL and get to stay in your homeland. Nor do they have to put up with some prejudiced or pretentious fans who don't want them here or think they can't cut the mustard like good ol' boy Canadians.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Don’t like the trade for Dubas. Kappy is a good second liner who can contribute now, don’t see the 15th overall doing that anytime soon. Unless he sets up a bigger trade with it, I don’t like this move as anything more than Dubas trying to take some of the heat off himself by making some noise before the draft. Also not thrilled with Hallander as a prospect either.

Maybe thats got something to donwith ahhhh, well actually I don’t know ha. Good trade. Now move out a pile more and we are gettin our mojo goin. Redistribution of cap space is necessary. This roster needs a regroup.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

14 in 27 as a teenager in a league where PPG is unheard of is very good.


Specially after breaking his leg to start the year, this comes from someone who watched every game of him last year.

It was leg. He done really well in that league.

 

[BrainyBomber]

It's already been posted. The 4 are:

Andersen
Johnsson
Kerfoot
Engvall.

Hyman and Rielly are going nowhere.

Very glad to see us looking to move on from Andersen. That takes guts.

Will be difficult to field a balanced team without moving Marner or Nylander going forward tho but maybe we can make this work by not being tied down by Freddie's fat 5m.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Trading Kappy is a good thing, Kerfoot should be next and Johnsson as well. These are 3 players who can score but their value beyond the goals and assists is minimal. They brought nothing to the playoffs/qualifier series and were totally overwhelmed by any line Columbus played against them. I wouldn't describe them as doggedly determined but rather as excitedly opportunistic, not able to create opportunities but willingly able to act when opportunity presents itself. Their brand of hockey isn't a winning formula and very definitely not playoff worthy.

TO is now negotiating with Mikheyev who I feel is the same type of player as Kappy, he's not a 3 mil. player and I don't feel he's a 2 mil. player, I hope Dube doesn't overpay him as well.

Yeah he’s a $2,000,000 player. That’s max.

 

[stickty111]

14 in 27 as a teenager in a league where PPG is unheard of is very good.


Specially after breaking his leg to start the year, this comes from someone who watched every game of him last year.

Thanks for the info. Do you have strengths and weaknesses of him?

 

[Wafflewhipper]

The fact that it was Aberg and not Bracco was telling that Dubas either:

1. Is keeping Bracco
2. Thinks he can get something for him
3. Is already part of another deal

He should well better be thinking of keeping Bracco minimum.
I would like to see Bracco come to camp and just pkay hard and confident.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

I seriously doubt anybody else other than JR offered a 1st round pick for Kapanen.

Who cares. We got a first $3,200,000 cap space,a good prospect and a good veteran dman for the Marlies. This is just the start. Great deal for Dubas

 

[Wafflewhipper]

usually trades should be looked at with "context" not just the transaction on its own

Malkin/Letang are UFAs in 2 to 3 years I think; and Crosby will be around 37 at that time so JR is trying to "win now" and maximize the opportunity before it is too late

Leafs on the other hand just cleared the cap space issue that was self inflicted to begin with. Leafs haven't really addressed the short comings of the team; this team isn't any better than the roster last year even after re-signing dermott/mikheyev; as now we will have one less proven NHLer on the roster (Kappy) and we will hope Robertson can fill that position successfully. Leafs get the 1st; but that 1st will probably help the team 3/4 years down the road right about the time Matthews is about to hit UFA and JT is probably in severe decline.

Leafs by no means are better than previous season.

I was just saying that even though Kappy makes the pens better; 1st round pick for Kapanen is too steep; JR could have gotten a better deal for 15th overall compared to Kappy.

I am not complaining though as we have that pick instead of someone else

Robertson looks like the style of pkayer replacing him to a degree. If he scores 15/15 first full season you should likely be factoring that in.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Good trade. As another poster said, losing Kapanen does not move our team back one bit. You could easily replace him on that line with Engvall or Mikheyev internally, and it would look basically identical.

Let's see what Dubas does next. His trades have mostly been very good.

Engvall? Really eh

 

[Fonzieleaf]

Assuming Dubas keeps the pick and 15th overall will be the highest he's selected in the 1st round as the Leafs GM. We already saw him get Rasmus Sandin 29th overall in 2018, so it will be interesting to see who he drafts with it.

I think most of us are wanting Braden Schneider. He’s considered the best shut down D man in the draft.

 

[Trapper]

I think most of us are wanting Braden Schneider. He’s considered the best shut down D man in the draft.

That would be ideal. After drafting Sandin, grab a shutdown potential RHD and keep building our D.
As time goes by, if the forward core (or team can’t get it done), at least we will be building a next gen defensive core.

 

[Trojans86]

Sigh. It always happens. Every team's least knowledgeable fans come on here holier than thou saying the Leafs players are worthless. Did you not see what happened today? It happens every single time. The hockey world is shocked at the value the Leafs get, then the opposing fans - in a massive group fit of swallowing their socks/sandal combo - become turncoats and claim the pieces that originally were way out of reach and 'laughable'.....suddenly those players became worthless and the Leafs got hosed.

Again, every single time.

The trade is laughable, but you have it backwards. Giving up years of cost certainty and control, plus a #15 pick....gets way more than that from Anaheim. The Leafs are giving up the 2 most valuable pieces in the deal.

You think the 15th pick is worth more than any of the three Ducks asset? Lol. A trade like this would be a massive win for Toronto. You'd get a top line winger, top 4 physical d and a great young prospect that with top line potential. The cap savings would be huge for you guys. You would be able to make another big signing after the trade. Team would be completely transformed. And who said Nylander was worthless? Rakell was an all star a few years ago. Manson was great for us and plays a critical physical d role and comtois is often considered our top prospect. All are young and you can build around.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Dermott for an ELC, ready to play bottom 6 forward.

Nylander and 1st round pick for Manson + Rackell.

Johnson for prospects.

Kerfoot for prospects.

Sign Petriangelo

Hyman / Matthews Marner
Mikheyev / Tavares / Rackell
Robertson / Engvall / Barabanov
Clifford / Spezza / Return for Dermott

Reilly / Petriangelo
Muzzin / Manson
Lehtonen / Holl
Sandin

Defense core is fixed. Turn all of those draft picks into future top 9 forwards and if you think that you're short a scpring winger, pick one up at the deadline. Decent wingers can be found anywhere... Take a step back up front to set your d-core up for the next 4-5 years, then keep pumping resources into your forward units and keep that pipeline flowing from Europe.

why dump dermott for an elc ready to play bottom 6 forward? Just sign one of those to league min. Like thornton or something.

dermott is still on a development trajectory, these are the guys (with sandin and liljegren) its important to be patient with.

 

[Gary Nylund]

why dump dermott for an elc ready to play bottom 6 forward? Just sign one of those to league min. Like thornton or something.

dermott is still on a development trajectory, these are the guys (with sandin and liljegren) its important to be patient with.

Agreed. Like.