Confirmed with Link: [TOR/OTT] Matt Murray (25% retention), a 3rd in 2023 and a 7th in 2024 for Future Considerations.

[Tak7]

That wasn't my beef. It was that you highlighted the negatives of all the other goalies you mentioned while ignoring the negatives associated with Murray.

Doesn't change the fact that, other than Kuemper, he was realistically the most established netminder that Dubas could target.

Not about overlooking Murray's negatives, but there's an entire 78 page thread for that. I was pointing out to what I felt the Leafs thought process was on the move; whether I agree with it or not, I can at least understand the move.

 

[ACC1224]

Why? Was Matthews laine season defining? Was getting beat by Carolina season defining?

I wasn’t being serious.
No
Yes

 

[therealkoho]

I think that was the problem for the leafs. It was term vs. AAV. I think they easily match the AAV from Edmonton. However they don't want to sign anyone beyond the end of Matthews contract. If he doesn't return it's an instant rebuild.

That being said they could always buy out the last couple years of Campbell's contract.

I think that behind closed doors Campbell was getting blame from management for the first round losses when in fact it had much more to do with coaching and management than with Campbell.

If Matthews isn't signed by the trade deadline, (everyone please sitdown) he'll be gone with the wind, it's as simple as that. Thats as long as he's able to negotiate an extension with the destination team, There is no way that they're going to take even the slightest of risks of getting into a UFA bidding war for his services. I feel it's the same with the other big guns as well.

Dubas made huge mistakes in his negotiations with Nylander he's now reaping what he has sowed, and it cost him about 6-7m per season more than it should have to get the 3 of them signed.

 

[BertCorbeau]

If Matthews isn't signed by the trade deadline, (everyone please sitdown) he'll be gone with the wind, it's as simple as that. Thats as long as he's able to negotiate an extension with the destination team, There is no way that they're going to take even the slightest of risks of getting into a UFA bidding war for his services. I feel it's the same with the other big guns as well.

Dubas made huge mistakes in his negotiations with Nylander he's now reaping what he has sowed, and it cost him about 6-7m per season more than it should have to get the 3 of them signed.

Signed by this trade deadline?

 

[francis246]

If Matthews isn't signed by the trade deadline, (everyone please sitdown) he'll be gone with the wind, it's as simple as that. Thats as long as he's able to negotiate an extension with the destination team, There is no way that they're going to take even the slightest of risks of getting into a UFA bidding war for his services. I feel it's the same with the other big guns as well.

Dubas made huge mistakes in his negotiations with Nylander he's now reaping what he has sowed, and it cost him about 6-7m per season more than it should have to get the 3 of them signed.

I wouldn’t say by the deadline, but if he’s not signed by UFA he’s gone. That 8th year is going to be huge. Which is why I don’t think Matthews is going anywhere.

Nylander on the other hand I think they need to decide quick if he’s apart of it or not.

 

[therealkoho]

Signed by this trade deadline?

Next, but whoever wants him will have to extend him, I mean it's good to have confidence in yourself but he thought he was worth 12m before he put his name on the Hart Trophy. What do you think he and his agent think he's worth now?

 

[francis246]

Next, but whoever wants him will have to extend him, I mean it's good to have confidence in yourself but he thought he was worth 12m before he put his name on the Hart Trophy. What do you think he and his agent think he's worth now?

The AAV doesn’t even matter. The Salary Cap is about to explode in 3 years. It’s already been reported. Knock on wood for no pandemics again. You give him what ever he wants

 

[therealkoho]

I wouldn’t say by the deadline, but if he’s not signed by UFA he’s gone. That 8th year is going to be huge. Which is why I don’t think Matthews is going anywhere.

Nylander on the other hand I think they need to decide quick if he’s apart of it or not.

It is huge especially if we're talking 16 and change per, which is where his head is probably at

 

[stealth1]

We shouldnt be comparing ourselves to a rival...we are trying to win a cup.

Tell Dubas that. Murray isn't getting you there

 

[PromisedLand]

So Leafs couldn't move Mrazek for Talbot (about similar AAV ?) Meanwhile Ottawa gets the better goalie for cheaper whos is also a UFA after the season.

I am .....................................

 

[A1LeafNation]

Tell Dubas that. Murray isn't getting you there

Nothing we can do about it now...Leafs management sees something we don't.

 

[Zur En Arrh]

Tell Dubas that. Murray isn't getting you there

you dont know that. we had no other options. cambell is trash and not the answer. none of the ufa are the answer. no one with a real goalie is giving them up so what? whats the answer? taking a bet on a kid you know who played on a trash team is the best bet we had. cambell at 5x5 is not the answer. im going to laugh so hard when edmonton gives him 6.5 for 7 years..

so whats the answer?

 

[keonsbitterness]

So Leafs couldn't move Mrazek for Talbot (about similar AAV ?) Meanwhile Ottawa gets the better goalie for cheaper whos is also a UFA after the season.

I am .....................................

Minnesota has three years of massive dead cap starting in 22-23. They wanted to shed salary, not trade like for like.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Signed by this trade deadline?

Next, but whoever wants him will have to extend him, I mean it's good to have confidence in yourself but he thought he was worth 12m before he put his name on the Hart Trophy. What do you think he and his agent think he's worth now?

I think next summer is the earliest they can get him signed to an extension right?

If he doesn't sign next summer, put a fork in it.

 

[kb]

If Matthews isn't signed by the trade deadline, (everyone please sitdown) he'll be gone with the wind, it's as simple as that. Thats as long as he's able to negotiate an extension with the destination team, There is no way that they're going to take even the slightest of risks of getting into a UFA bidding war for his services. I feel it's the same with the other big guns as well.

Dubas made huge mistakes in his negotiations with Nylander he's now reaping what he has sowed, and it cost him about 6-7m per season more than it should have to get the 3 of them signed.

Who is going to have the cap space to match if the Leafs give him a $3 million raise on the AAV? I mean that to match that contract in UFA, it would have to be in excess of $17 million over 7 years.

Which contender will have that cap space?

 

[PromisedLand]

Minnesota has three years of massive dead cap starting in 22-23. They wanted to shed salary, not trade like for like.

Then Leafs could have had Talbot at 3.6 AAV for Kallgren. And Talbot is a pending UFA no major commitment.

Nothing we can do about it now...Leafs management sees something we don't.

For the last 4 to 5 years this dubas management keeps seeing things that knowledgeable leafs fans dont. may be the leafs management needs to get their eyesight checked or just resign out of shame

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

There is no bigger dumbass in hockey than Kyle DUMBAS.

Everybody saw this trade coming from a mile away. I guess he was too busy looking at spreadsheets to actually watch Murray play where he was outplayed by a no name goalie in Forsberg on a crap team.

But he’s from the Soo so he’ll fit right in! Dumbas has no balls to be a real manager and move a core piece instead just filling around the edges with everyone else’s unwanted garbage.
Another year of Matthews guaranteed flushed down the drain.

Bring on the Dubas defense crew of Zekes and dekes to show us how the analytics tell us how great he actually is.

There is no bigger child on HFBoards than BrannigansLaw.

How do I know? that's not how you spell Dumb Ass. You forgot a few letters there.

Look, everyone!, this is a rolling of dice. Several other teams are going to do so much worse heading into tomorrow.

What does Jack Campbell get? My GOD!

 

[kb]

Tell Dubas that. Murray isn't getting you there

In your opinion

It is huge especially if we're talking 16 and change per, which is where his head is probably at

No team could come close to what the Leafs can offer. No one.

 

[PromisedLand]

He must have a plan to gain more space.

he is probably looking to move kerfoot+holl (about 5.5 AAV) then go bargain bin shopping in the UFA pool.

then his fans will flood the boards here saying "oh look how great it is"

meanwhile...

the most important position i.e. goalie is a hail mary, and quality depth pieces that win you games in playoffs are not going to be here.

even if dubas somehow pulled in JT Miller trade this team will still struggle

 

[A1LeafNation]

Then Leafs could have had Talbot at 3.6 AAV for Kallgren. And Talbot is a pending UFA no major commitment.



For the last 4 to 5 years this dubas management keeps seeing things that knowledgeable leafs fans dont. may be the leafs management needs to get their eyesight checked or just resign out of shame

I'll give Dubas credit for one thing, we havent seen a 5 year Komisarek, 6 year Jason Blake, 7 year Clarkson, 4 year Jeff Finger deal.

He's been pretty good at keeping the risky deals short and getting rid of them with minimal damage.

 

[PromisedLand]

I'll give Dubas credit for one thing, we havent seen a 5 year Komisarek, 6 yeah Jason Blake, 7 year Clarkson, 4 year Jeff Finger deal.

He's been pretty good at keeping the risky deals short and getting rid of them with minimal damage.

probably because there was no cap room to begin with. When he had cap room he gave out massive overpayments without term and brought in Tavares for 11 AAV

 

[WTFMAN99]

In your opinion


No team could come close to what the Leafs can offer. No one.

Kings.

Kopitar contract is over.

 

[ShaneFalco]

I'll give Dubas credit for one thing, we havent seen a 5 year Komisarek, 6 yeah Jason Blake, 7 year Clarkson, 4 year Jeff Finger deal.

He's been pretty good at keeping the risky deals short and getting rid of them with minimal damage.

I hear ya but it's sad that's what success is in leaf land

 

[PromisedLand]

Kings.

Kopitar contract is over.

not only that if teams desperately want a player and the player hits UFA market, teams can make moves to make cap room to sign the player they want from the UFA pool

 

[egd27]

Doesn't change the fact that, other than Kuemper, he was realistically the most established netminder that Dubas could target.

Not about overlooking Murray's negatives, but there's an entire 78 page thread for that. I was pointing out to what I felt the Leafs thought process was on the move; whether I agree with it or not, I can at least understand the move.

That's fair I suppose. Do you agree with it?