Confirmed with Link: [TOR/OTT] Matt Murray (25% retention), a 3rd in 2023 and a 7th in 2024 for Future Considerations.
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Captain Crunch
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Ianturnedbull
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People in the media especially the Sportsnet hockey analysts really feel that Dubas has lost most of his trades. He done ok covering up his bad UFA signings, but in general he loses trades.
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Which probably means he has not. Most people in media are really bad, whether it is because they lack basic hockey knowledge or they just tailor their opinions to generate the largest reaction/most clicks.
His most ill-advised trade, and the only one he should regret, was the Foligno trade. Never should have happened in the first place, aged even worse, and should never make a deal like that again. Got caught up in the Covid hype. Based on the Giordano trade, and what he has said before, I don't think he is making that trade again.
The rest have been solid value, even if some ended up working out better for the other team than it did for us. But there are signings or trades where you immediately know that the trade or signing will almost certainly not work out (Foligno trade, Marleau signing, etc.), and we are not seeing that with Dubas.
The main thing he is missing is that one home run for a core player, specifically in net. Campbell was solid, but I think took us as far as he could and it simply was not enough. With Murray and Samsonov, he is swinging for the fences. Maybe that takes us over the hump, or maybe it is a strikeout. Either way, at least we are not in a bad spot for him, or his successor, to move forward.
Its a weird note. Campbell was in his D+2 year as a former first round pick. He struggled and didnt completely take over the net from an also struggling Murray who was 2 years younger in his draft year. They missed the playoffs and were last in the division.
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The Matt Murray trade is an act of desperation by the Leafs — with Soo bloodlines, of course
When it comes to the foundational matter of finding a guy with a knack for standing in front of pucks, GM Kyle Dubas replaced one ex-Greyhound with another ex-Greyhound.It’ll be 11 years this fall that a general manager named Kyle Dubas pulled off a trade to improve his goaltending.
This was when Dubas was running the OHL’s Soo Greyhounds. The blockbuster junior hockey deal brought a 19-year-old named Jack Campbell to Sault Ste. Marie at a hefty price. At the same time, it crushed the spirit of Matt Murray, the Greyhounds’ incumbent No. 1. At the time of the trade, Murray’s win-loss record was 9-3. Which told you everything you needed to know about Dubas’s ultimate belief in the true depth of Murray’s abilities.
One can only hope things have changed.
More than a decade later, with Dubas in beyond-desperate need of addressing his goaltending situation in a make-or-break off-season as Maple Leafs GM, it says something that, thanks to Monday night’s trade with the Senators, the roles have switched. It’s Matt Murray who’s coming to Toronto along with a third-round pick in 2023 and a seventh-rounder in 2024 in exchange for future considerations, this while Ottawa retains 25 per cent of Murray’s $6.25-million (U.S.) cap hit. Meanwhile, it’s Jack Campbell, Toronto’s incumbent No. 1, who’s the one with his feelings hurt, poised to go elsewhere when free agency opens Wednesday after lowball contract offers from Dubas soured the relationship.
Certainly it tells you that Dubas, a Sault Ste. Marie native with deep family ties to the Greyhounds, seems ever more shameless in his too-comfy allegiances to former members of his hometown OHL team. Still, you’ll understand why Dubas looks back so fondly on his time in the hinterlands. At least the Greyhounds actually won a playoff series — albeit precisely one — on his watch.
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Opinion | The Matt Murray trade is an act of desperation by the Leafs — with Soo bloodlines, of course
When it comes to the foundational matter of finding a guy with a knack for standing in front of pucks, GM Kyle Dubas replaced one ex-Greyhound with another ex-Greyhound.
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The Matt Murray trade is an act of desperation by the Leafs — with Soo bloodlines, of course
When it comes to the foundational matter of finding a guy with a knack for standing in front of pucks, GM Kyle Dubas replaced one ex-Greyhound with another ex-Greyhound.
It’ll be 11 years this fall that a general manager named Kyle Dubas pulled off a trade to improve his goaltending.
This was when Dubas was running the OHL’s Soo Greyhounds. The blockbuster junior hockey deal brought a 19-year-old named Jack Campbell to Sault Ste. Marie at a hefty price. At the same time, it crushed the spirit of Matt Murray, the Greyhounds’ incumbent No. 1.
At the time of the trade, Murray’s win-loss record was 9-3. Which told you everything you needed to know about Dubas’s ultimate belief in the true depth of Murray’s abilities.
One can only hope things have changed.
More than a decade later, with Dubas in beyond-desperate need of addressing his goaltending situation in a make-or-break off-season as Maple Leafs GM, it says something that, thanks to Monday night’s trade with the Senators, the roles have switched. It’s Matt Murray who’s coming to Toronto along with a third-round pick in 2023 and a seventh-rounder in 2024 in exchange for future considerations, this while Ottawa retains 25 per cent of Murray’s $6.25-million (U.S.) cap hit. Meanwhile, it’s Jack Campbell, Toronto’s incumbent No. 1, who’s the one with his feelings hurt, poised to go elsewhere when free agency opens Wednesday after lowball contract offers from Dubas soured the relationship.
Certainly it tells you that Dubas, a Sault Ste. Marie native with deep family ties to the Greyhounds, seems ever more shameless in his too-comfy allegiances to former members of his hometown OHL team.
Opinion | The Matt Murray trade is an act of desperation by the Leafs — with Soo bloodlines, of course
When it comes to the foundational matter of finding a guy with a knack for standing in front of pucks, GM Kyle Dubas replaced one ex-Greyhound with another ex-Greyhound.www.thestar.com
Do you think anyone is still reading your regurgitated novels? "Dubas bad, Murray bad" would communicate the same amount of information, work smarter not harder you know?
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Yup. LOL media should be stickied or something, too many people seem to think that because someone works in the media, their opinion carries some weight.
The Foligno was for me as well the only one that I hated from the minute it happened. Other than that, every GM wins some and loses some but overall, I think his trades have been more good than bad.
Term is not in a bad spot, 100% agreed. The only thing some people can see is our playoff failures and while those are frustrating beyond anything I can express with words, this is ATM one of the top cup contenders and look primed to stay that way for the foreseeable future.
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Not sure why everyone gets so worked up over media. You can ignore what they say. We live in a time where you can pick and choose what you want to listen to or read. There are so many podcasts and articles out there that you can pick who you like. You don’t like what one person has been saying that’s fine just ignore them and move on to someone you respect or like better.
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Medias suck, lol.
I don’t think the Foligno is a bad trade at that moment bc of that season. We were beating the divisions down and unlike other years, we actually played every teams in the division more than 8 times from start to finish. Thus, regular season records actually matters( since we played them all year, while in some years-teams might had played their playoffs opponents before X’mas, and there should not be any surprises from the other teams.). It was a good gamble to go in.
Foglino being injured even before getting here is something that Dubas should had done better. But in terms of the direction that year and the intention to go get pieces for the long playoff run, that was the right decision.
Unless they do some damages in the playoffs, I would not consider them a contender despite being one of the most talented team in the league.
I thought he was selling timeshare condos, lol.
Or was that Alexander Daige
That doesn't explain why the information was useful. That explains why Feschuk isn't useful.Opinion | The Matt Murray trade is an act of desperation by the Leafs — with Soo bloodlines, of course
When it comes to the foundational matter of finding a guy with a knack for standing in front of pucks, GM Kyle Dubas replaced one ex-Greyhound with another ex-Greyhound.
Holymakinaw
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LOL. What on earth are you on about?
Gibson, Husso, M.A. Fleury, Hellebuyk, Georgiev, Varmalov......all better options that we could have gone after. Or hell, even Campbell.
Or, as I already said, how about........have some kind of long-term plan? Maybe draft & develop some legit Goalies with high picks, instead of trading them all away every year?
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Yeah, we could have drafted anyone, even Samsonov! We would be so different if we just traded up instead of trading down and grabbing Samsonov with the high pick.
The only ones of those that are notably better are Hellebyuk and maybe Varlamov, and neither were available.
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The Maple Leafs are taking an enormous risk with Matt Murray in goal
Familiarity is clearly part of the equation.Murray played his junior hockey for Leafs GM Kyle Dubas and coach Sheldon Keefe with the Soo Greyhounds. More relevant is his connection to Jon Elkin, the Leafs’ head of goalie evaluation and development and Murray’s goalie coach from when he was a kid. Almost a decade ago, Dubas hired Elkin in the Soo specifically because of his past connection with Murray.
It’s assuming a lot though that Elkin knowing Murray will be what turns around an NHL career that’s gone off the rails. It can’t hurt, but who knows how much it will actually help. Over the last three seasons only two regularly-used goalies (min. 60 games) – Martin Jones and Joonas Korpisalo – posted a lower save percentage than Murray at .899. Narrow things down to even strength and only Jones has performed worse.
Dubas has shown a pattern of targeting players he knew in an earlier life.
The Maple Leafs are taking an enormous risk with Matt Murray
The Maple Leafs trading for Matt Murray is a big move with potentially franchise-changing implications.
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There is no doubt we were desperate this summer. We had a limited budget, needed a #1, and the goalie market this summer sucked, there were few good options.
Murray might still work out - certainly, he was very good up to and including the 2018/19 season, and goalies are weird/unpredictable, he might bounce back. But he’s had 3 straight poor seasons, that’s pretty scary. Ottawa were happy to retain salary AND throw in a 3rd rounder to get rid of him, clearly they saw him as having significant negative value. He’s a massive gamble that we were basically forced to take due to a lack of options in our (very limited) price range.
If I had to guess about how this move will work out, I’d guess closer to Mrazek/Ritchie/Foligno than Brodie/Bunting/Muzzin. But, who knows, we’ll see soon enough - I certainly hope Murray regains his old form and is great for us.
Murray might still work out - certainly, he was very good up to and including the 2018/19 season, and goalies are weird/unpredictable, he might bounce back. But he’s had 3 straight poor seasons, that’s pretty scary. Ottawa were happy to retain salary AND throw in a 3rd rounder to get rid of him, clearly they saw him as having significant negative value. He’s a massive gamble that we were basically forced to take due to a lack of options in our (very limited) price range.
If I had to guess about how this move will work out, I’d guess closer to Mrazek/Ritchie/Foligno than Brodie/Bunting/Muzzin. But, who knows, we’ll see soon enough - I certainly hope Murray regains his old form and is great for us.
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Holymakinaw
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Most GMs like working with players they are familiar with, as it gives them insight into ways they may be underappreciated or things that can help them be successful, but that doesn't equate to getting somebody just because they played for a particular junior team.
It is true.
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$8,151,660 is Nail Yakapov's estimated career earnings according to CapFriendly and that appears to be only NHL earnings to date.
With even a semi competent accountant have made it so you wouldn't have to work at HomeDepot to make ends meet.
Adding on top of the first and the way the trade went down on the Amazon series was a bit embarrassing - classic Dubie - but I tend to agree with you and dont give him a hard time for that trade.
Given the circumstances you laid out it was the right time to throw down a first and Foligo was one of the most desirable pieces on the market (injuries unknown).
Foligno also just whooped us the year before so it was a good feeling to bring some of that spark to our side.
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Murray's been crap 4 out of the last 5 seasons , has had injuries the last 3 yrs and the Sens paid us to take him . Samsonov has been getting progressively worse each of his 3 seasons since he came over from Russia and wasn't qualified by the Caps .
Hoping one of them turns their career around is one thing but arguing our goaltending is in good shape is wishful thinking .
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