Confirmed with Link: [TOR/OTT] Matt Murray (25% retention), a 3rd in 2023 and a 7th in 2024 for Future Considerations.

[andora]

Why can't the Leafs not have a real goalie with strong stats, and why must we be digging through other peoples unwanted contract dumps to find our Goose that laid the golden egg to lead us to the Stanley Cup?

this was what i was referring to when i quoted...

The St. Louis Blues have traded goaltender Ville Husso to the Detroit Red Wings in exchange for the No. 73 pick in the 2022 NHL Draft

He was tied for 6th in sv% with .919, and had finished 9th in Goals saved above expected +13.5 with a with 2.56 GA/G (12th best) while winning 25 of 40 starts.

That is one example of a goalie coming off a real strong season that just got traded for a 2nd round pick.

we just have different definitions

 

[Dekes For Days]

And the year before that he was the worst goalie in the league

Murray didn't have a good year the year before, but no, he wasn't the worst goalie in the league.

Guess we should have just picked up Garrett sparks and Zach fucale both champions of the xgsa/60 shit

Sparks and Fucale played 2 and 4 games, neither have any history as anything notable, neither are "champions" of the stat I used, and it's GSAx, not "xgsa".

Even with using your stat there were significantly cheaper options that had better years

It's not "my stat", and there were risks and concerns with all available options this offseason.

 

[Dekes For Days]

The St. Louis Blues have traded goaltender Ville Husso to the Detroit Red Wings in exchange for the No. 73 pick in the 2022 NHL Draft

Husso is not a top tier goalie.

If we had got him, we'd be here talking about the bad year he had the year before, the fact that he only has 57 career NHL games, the fact that he's never dealt with a starter's load, how he was replaced in the playoffs, how he put up the worst GSAx in the league in the playoffs, etc. We'd hear about how Dubas was a fool to essentially pay a 3rd + 3rd + 7th (selling the future!!) to take the inexperienced guy who couldn't be trusted as a starter in the playoffs over a two time cup winner.

 

[socko]

Husso wouldn't be high on my list but Murray would have been about dead last. But he did play in the Soo.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Husso wouldn't be high on my list but Murray would have been about dead last. But he did play in the Soo.

He was my choice. I am looking forward to him having a great season.

 

[notbias]

The St. Louis Blues have traded goaltender Ville Husso to the Detroit Red Wings in exchange for the No. 73 pick in the 2022 NHL Draft

He was tied for 6th in sv% with .919, and had finished 9th in Goals saved above expected +13.5 with a with 2.56 GA/G (12th best) while winning 25 of 40 starts.

That is one example of a goalie coming off a real strong season that just got traded for a 2nd round pick.

now do his playoff stats since we only care about playoffs...

Don't change Mess, it is fun to watch you change your opinion based on what makes the Leafs look the worst.

Husso wouldn't be high on my list but Murray would have been about dead last. But he did play in the Soo.

Where did McCann play and why did we not protect him?

 

[socko]

He was my choice. I am looking forward to him having a great season.

Husso or Murray? I would have stayed with Campbell. I still think he could be in that 2nd tier of goalie after tier 1 of Shesterkin, Vasy, and maybe Sorokin. 0.915 is a quality starter. 0.920 is an upper tier goalie.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Husso or Murray? I would have stayed with Campbell. I still think he could be in that 2nd tier of goalie after tier 1 of Shesterkin, Vasy, and maybe Sorokin. 0.915 is a quality starter. 0.920 is an upper tier goalie.

Not for me. I wanted Murray. I would have liked more retention in the deal though.

 

[rocketman588]

Murray didn't have a good year the year before, but no, he wasn't the worst goalie in the league.

Sparks and Fucale played 2 and 4 games, neither have any history as anything notable, neither are "champions" of the stat I used, and it's GSAx, not "xgsa".

It's not "my stat", and there were risks and concerns with all available options this offseason.

And Murray played 20 games and none since March 5th so why are his all of a sudden valid

He was the second worst goalie by GSAx can't read your own stats I see

Also funny that you know you're wrong so you just continuously quote a stat that shows we picked up the second worst goalie two years ago and are still arguing he's a good pick up

As a GM you can basically choose these doors

You can choose to follow this "stat" you love so much: which we didn't because there were better cheaper options available with better stats and we picked the one that had the worst year out of any option in 2021

You can pick traditional stats: which we didn't because Murray hasn't had a good year by those standards since 2019

You can pick the eye test and scouting report: which we didn't because Murray's is "often injured,weak glovehand, trouble moving side to side".

Or you can pick goalies are voodoo in which case you pick two cheap options which we didn't because were paying Murray and our Murray insurance plan almost 7 mil

We chose neither door and instead panic bought a guy because he played for the soo

Dubas values GSA so much that he offered the goalie with the 7th best number in the league 2.75 million a year.

It's obviously a garbage stat that not even our GM thinks is valid

I'm sure if we signed Campbell you would just be using last year's number

Once again good luck going to the Soo bake sale next year maybe you'll get to touch your idol when he gets canned.

No one is going to touch him because he's trashed one of the best situations ever given to a GM

 

[rocketman588]

Husso is not a top tier goalie.

If we had got him, we'd be here talking about the bad year he had the year before, the fact that he only has 57 career NHL games, the fact that he's never dealt with a starter's load, how he was replaced in the playoffs, how he put up the worst GSAx in the league in the playoffs, etc. We'd hear about how Dubas was a fool to essentially pay a 3rd + 3rd + 7th (selling the future!!) to take the inexperienced guy who couldn't be trusted as a starter in the playoffs over a two time cup winner.

You're claiming he's not a top goalie yet by the stat you're trying to jam down people's throat to justify our goalie choice he was significantly better then Murray.


Once again you're motives are pretty clear

Dubas makes signing bend over backwards to defend.

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[rocketman588]

now do his playoff stats since we only care about playoffs...

Don't change Mess, it is fun to watch you change your opinion based on what makes the Leafs look the worst.



Where did McCann play and why did we not protect him?

Now do matt 1-6 in his last two playoff appearances Murrays recent playoff stats

 

[socko]

severe health concerns, severe performance concerns, solid starter cap hit after the retention. I have to think Dubas was negotiating against himself. And he always loses.

 

[rocketman588]

severe health concerns, severe performance concerns, solid starter cap hit after the retention. I have to think Dubas was negotiating against himself. And he always loses.

Murray also had a 10 team no trade that he had shown he would use and even then he STILL lost the negotiation

 

[Leaf Fans]

Murray also had a 10 team no trade that he had shown he would use and even then he STILL lost the negotiation

LoL. He won the negotiation. Murray is a Leaf. He paid nothing. Got retention and draft picks. More retention would have been nice, but he got the goalie he wanted.

 

[rocketman588]

LoL. He won the negotiation. Murray is a Leaf. He paid nothing. Got retention and draft picks. More retention would have been nice, but he got the goalie he wanted.

If by got the goalie he wanted you mean panic bought one of the worst goalies in the league after getting out manuvered in the market.

Is paying that goalie almost 5 million a year and got basically nothing for it then yes he won that deal.

Him and Murray basically allowed the sens to go get debrincat ( with the pick Murray nixed with his trade protection) and giroux so congrats to them for letting a team in the division get better I guess

 

[Leaf Fans]

If by got the goalie he wanted you mean panic bought one of the worst goalies in the league after getting out manuvered in the market.

Is paying that goalie almost 5 million a year and got basically nothing for it then yes he won that deal.

Him and Murray basically allowed the sens to go get debrincat ( with the pick Murray nixed with his trade protection) and giroux so congrats to them for letting a team in the division get better I guess

No, I don't mean that.

 

[Mess]

Now do matt 1-6 in his last two playoff appearances Murrays recent playoff stats

I already posted those very stats earlier in the thread of Matt Murray in his last 2 playoffs.

Here is Murray's record his last 2 playoff years in Pittsburgh

2019-20 NHL Playoff Results - Qualifying Round Best of 5 (70 game season).
========================================================

(#5) Pittsburgh Penguins [86 points] vs. (#24) Montreal Canadiens [71 points]

Aug 1 Montreal Canadiens 3 2 at Pittsburgh Penguins OT
Aug 3 Montreal Canadiens 1 3 at Pittsburgh Penguins
Aug 5 Pittsburgh Penguins 3 4 at Montreal Canadiens
Aug 7 Pittsburgh Penguins 0 2 at Montreal Canadiens

Montreal Canadiens win series 3 games to 1

While Toronto was losing to CBJ in 5 games ..
- Matt Murray on the heavily favored Pens was going 1-3 against the lowest ranked team in the playoffs. Looks like Murray didn't rise to the occasion against the lowly Habs either.

2018-19 NHL Playoff Results - Round 1
===============================================

(#4) New York Islanders [103 points] vs (#5) Pittsburgh Penguins [100 points]

Apr 10 Pittsburgh Penguins 3 4 at New York Islanders OT
Apr 12 Pittsburgh Penguins 1 3 at New York Islanders
Apr 14 New York Islanders 4 1 at Pittsburgh Penguins
Apr 16 New York Islanders 3 1 at Pittsburgh Penguins

New York Islanders win series 4 games to 0

NYI's sweep Matt Murray lead Pens in 4 games..

If Murry was the Leafs goalie and they got swept in one series and then lost a best of 5 playin to the weakest team in the playoffs there really wouldn't be any thought that he is Leafs savior here, IMO

 

[socko]

What Dubas wants and what is good hockey aren't exactly related. Dubas wanted to trade his first round pick for Nick Foligno, who had just missed some games with the Blue Jackets because of a bad back.

 

[rocketman588]

I already posted those very stats earlier in the thread of Matt Murray in his last 2 playoffs.

Here is Murray's record his last 2 playoff years in Pittsburgh

2019-20 NHL Playoff Results - Qualifying Round Best of 5 (70 game season).
========================================================

(#5) Pittsburgh Penguins [86 points] vs. (#24) Montreal Canadiens [71 points]

Aug 1 Montreal Canadiens 3 2 at Pittsburgh Penguins OT
Aug 3 Montreal Canadiens 1 3 at Pittsburgh Penguins
Aug 5 Pittsburgh Penguins 3 4 at Montreal Canadiens
Aug 7 Pittsburgh Penguins 0 2 at Montreal Canadiens

Montreal Canadiens win series 3 games to 1

While Toronto was losing to CBJ in 5 games ..
- Matt Murray on the heavily favored Pens was going 1-3 against the lowest ranked team in the playoffs. Looks like Murray didn't rise to the occasion against the lowly Habs either.

2018-19 NHL Playoff Results - Round 1
===============================================

(#4) New York Islanders [103 points] vs (#5) Pittsburgh Penguins [100 points]

Apr 10 Pittsburgh Penguins 3 4 at New York Islanders OT
Apr 12 Pittsburgh Penguins 1 3 at New York Islanders
Apr 14 New York Islanders 4 1 at Pittsburgh Penguins
Apr 16 New York Islanders 3 1 at Pittsburgh Penguins

New York Islanders win series 4 games to 0

NYI's sweep Matt Murray lead Pens in 4 games..

In his defense mess he got pulled after game 3 of the Habs series

So he didn't get all the losses only most of them

He hasn't played that well in the playoffs since 2017...

 

[Leaf Fans]

I already posted those very stats earlier in the thread of Matt Murray in his last 2 playoffs.

Here is Murray's record his last 2 playoff years in Pittsburgh

2019-20 NHL Playoff Results - Qualifying Round Best of 5 (70 game season).
========================================================

(#5) Pittsburgh Penguins [86 points] vs. (#24) Montreal Canadiens [71 points]

Aug 1 Montreal Canadiens 3 2 at Pittsburgh Penguins OT
Aug 3 Montreal Canadiens 1 3 at Pittsburgh Penguins
Aug 5 Pittsburgh Penguins 3 4 at Montreal Canadiens
Aug 7 Pittsburgh Penguins 0 2 at Montreal Canadiens

Montreal Canadiens win series 3 games to 1

While Toronto was losing to CBJ in 5 games ..
- Matt Murray on the heavily favored Pens was going 1-3 against the lowest ranked team in the playoffs. Looks like Murray didn't rise to the occasion against the lowly Habs either.

2018-19 NHL Playoff Results - Round 1
===============================================

(#4) New York Islanders [103 points] vs (#5) Pittsburgh Penguins [100 points]

Apr 10 Pittsburgh Penguins 3 4 at New York Islanders OT
Apr 12 Pittsburgh Penguins 1 3 at New York Islanders
Apr 14 New York Islanders 4 1 at Pittsburgh Penguins
Apr 16 New York Islanders 3 1 at Pittsburgh Penguins

New York Islanders win series 4 games to 0

NYI's sweep Matt Murray lead Pens in 4 games..

If Murry was the Leafs goalie and they got swept in one series and then lost a best of 5 playin to the weakest team in the playoffs there really wouldn't be any thought that he is Leafs savior here, IMO

He is not considered the saviour here now.

What Dubas wants and what is good hockey aren't exactly related. Dubas wanted to trade his first round pick for Nick Foligno, who had just missed some games with the Blue Jackets because of a bad back.

Yup turned out poorly in Toronto. A number of GMs would have made the same trade who knows how it would have turned out for them.

 

[rocketman588]

He is not considered the saviour here now.

Yet we're devoting 6% of our cap to him while at the same time helping the sens get better at hockey.

Seems like we should have picked up a goalie who wasn't trash if those were the terms

 

[socko]

Yup turned out poorly in Toronto. A number of GMs would have made the same trade who knows how it would have turned out for them.

It would have got them 1 step closer to being fired.

 

[Stephen]

Husso is not a top tier goalie.

If we had got him, we'd be here talking about the bad year he had the year before, the fact that he only has 57 career NHL games, the fact that he's never dealt with a starter's load, how he was replaced in the playoffs, how he put up the worst GSAx in the league in the playoffs, etc. We'd hear about how Dubas was a fool to essentially pay a 3rd + 3rd + 7th (selling the future!!) to take the inexperienced guy who couldn't be trusted as a starter in the playoffs over a two time cup winner.

Husso *could* be a top tier goalie in the sense that he has a lot of pedigree, great skillset and technical game, has gone through a slow developmental arc in St. Louis and was putting it all together for some stretches this season. So it would be a roll of the dice on a guy who could break out and assume that role. Basically what Detroit did with Nedjelkovic the summer before.

But Dubas also did well to get Ilya Samsonov here cheap as the backup, so he's covered the Murray bet with a young, high pedigree goalie, same thought process as a Husso.

 

[notbias]

Now do matt 1-6 in his last two playoff appearances Murrays recent playoff stats

Overall what is his record? What is the cutoff for stats? How many game sample sizes do we want? Are Matthews/Marner good playoff performers or bad?

 

[Menzinger]

At.this point it comes down to Murray.

If he kills it this season (and postseason) - or at the very least provides consistent above average goaltending for the majority of the season - it won't matter about the details of the trade

If he flops Dubas' has exposed himself to a lot more criticism