Proposal: Tor <---> mtl

[BatVader]

I doubt these two teams ever make this type of deal.

Player for player trades only. Bergevin has said he won't trade away the team's future.

Bergevin also said he wasn't shopping or moving Subban.
I have absolutely zero faith or trust in the Habs owner, management, and coaching staff.
Nothing would surprise me anymore after 4 years of stupid and brain dead moves.


As for the OP.
Only player in gpthe proposal from TO worth anything to Mtl is JVR. The rest you can keep.
You will not get Sergachev, because honestly, JVR isn't worth trading him.
Beaulieu+1st+DD/Emelin for JVR is fair value and the best deal Habs would offer.
Beaulieu is a good young 3/4 D, who is still learning and growing.
The 1st is obvious
DD or Emelin for cap reasons.
-DD is a good reliable player who can play anywhere in the lineup and has shown he is a good complimentary player for other skilled guys. He's UFA after this season so his cap hit goes away then if desired.
-Emelin is a good Dman who can play a physical game and draw attention away from other players. He has a good first pass and can slot up anywhere in the D.

But honestly, the Habs have no real need for JVR.
They need a top 4 D and an offensive 2/3 C.

 

[leaflover]

Bozak and Marner have figured eachother out and are looking good. JVR hasn't quite caught up to them chemistry wise but he's coming along. I really want that line intact for at least half a season to see how good they can become.

 

[Halla]

False. In my viewings at least. JVR isnt worth that much imo. Basically 3 firsts? Thats terrible.

basically 3 late 1sts. A pretty safe bet to say that Sherbak, Juulsen or that 20-30OA pick will never become as good as JVR

value aside I wouldnt do it because its the habs. If they want a big winger that can score 30, they can overpay big time.
would rather send him to pitty or just keep him

 

[Prairie Habs]

Tbh, it was probably nothing compared to your October Stanley cup banner raising.

It only makes sense that a banner raising for winning games would be better than one for losing them...

Its been a while in Leaf land, hasn't it?

 

[Legend123]

They've played 10 games, they're still prospects.
I'd have Scherbak firmly behind

Matthews
Marner
Nylander
Brown
Kapanen
Hyman
Sosh
Dermott
Nielsen

He'd be battling it out with the Braccos, Timashovs, Rychels and some of the 2016 picks

Oh right cuz Brown (only 2 points), Kapanen (similar AHL production), Hyman (terrible production despite being a lot older and top line minutes), Sosh (hasnt proved anything) would all be FIRMLY ahead?? Plz be realistic. Dermott and Nielsen are both Ds, why bring them up to compare them?

 

[Legend123]

basically 3 late 1sts. A pretty safe bet to say that Sherbak, Juulsen or that 20-30OA pick will never become as good as JVR

value aside I wouldnt do it because its the habs. If they want a big winger that can score 30, they can overpay big time.
would rather send him to pitty or just keep him

Juulsen will soon be better than JVR in terms of their position.

 

[sansabri]

Listen, the days of the Habs looking for a top 6 LW are long gone. We have prospects who can play that spot now.

We're looking for a top 4 D (which the Leafs don't have available) and a top 6 C. Bozak is more of a middle 6 C - same with Kadri. There's no trade to talk about here.

 

[mariolemieux66]

Wow! That's not a very good trade proposal.

 

[hockeyheadlines]

But honestly, the Habs have no real need for JVR.
They need a top 4 D and an offensive 2/3 C.

That's pretty much our shopping list.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

In what world is JVR worth three 1st round pick??
Horrible for the habs

 

[Poochie_D]

I think there's a few players on the list that Brock put forward that were after 10 who have similar ceilings to Scherbak - Bracco and Timashov are both tremendous offensive talents

I think Hyman and Soshnikov were included because they've demonstrated that they're NHL players, lower ceilings than Scherbak but higher floors

After the graduation of Nylander, Marner and Matthews I think Scherbak would be into our top 10 but not top 5, and in a position that our system is already strong

I'd be interested in Juulsen because we don't have good organizational depth for RHD, but I don't see a reason to acquire Scherbak if JVR can be either kept to play on our team when the kids are ready to really contribute or sent elsewhere to target young defensemen in a trade

The fact that they've played in the NHL should mean very little since 1. Those players are considerably older and 2. They are part of a rebuilding organization and as such young players are given far greater of an opportunity. Montreal is in the win now mode. Younger players are brought along far slower.

Nikita would be in the Leafs top five. I have no doubt in my mind.

 

[Randy Randerson]

The fact that they've played in the NHL should mean very little since 1. Those players are considerably older and 2. They are part of a rebuilding organization and as such young players are given far greater of an opportunity. Montreal is in the win now mode. Younger players are brought along far slower.

Nikita would be in the Leafs top five. I have no doubt in my mind.

A prospect playing well in the NHL should always be part of the consideration, speaks to the risk of busting. Also both Hyman and Soshnikov can play bottom six roles, I haven't seen anything in Scherbak's profile that makes it look like he'll be able to do that, looks like a scoring line forward. You're welcome to value a high ceiling over lower risk and higher floor, but it's not the only factor - a good bottom 6 player is worth more than a talented player who never made the NHL

Kapanen, Brown, Leipsic, Neilsen, Dermott then maybe Johnsson and Timashov are ahead of Scherbak for me, Bracco and Korostelev also make interesting cases as younger players than Scherbak. And if we're accounting for the graduation of the big 3, then we also have to account for prospects that are going to be added at next year's draft - if our first pick is top 15 then that pick would also rank ahead of Scherbak. So I do not share your views of Scherbak being in our top 5, at best he's competing to be #5 with 2 other guys

 

[Sniper99]

Oh look another trade offer to the Leafs that involves Scherbak and Juulsen, these always go over well.

 

[glenbuis]

Bergevin also said he wasn't shopping or moving Subban.
I have absolutely zero faith or trust in the Habs owner, management, and coaching staff.
Nothing would surprise me anymore after 4 years of stupid and brain dead moves.


As for the OP.
Only player in gpthe proposal from TO worth anything to Mtl is JVR. The rest you can keep.
You will not get Sergachev, because honestly, JVR isn't worth trading him.
Beaulieu+1st+DD/Emelin for JVR is fair value and the best deal Habs would offer.
Beaulieu is a good young 3/4 D, who is still learning and growing.
The 1st is obvious
DD or Emelin for cap reasons.
-DD is a good reliable player who can play anywhere in the lineup and has shown he is a good complimentary player for other skilled guys. He's UFA after this season so his cap hit goes away then if desired.
-Emelin is a good Dman who can play a physical game and draw attention away from other players. He has a good first pass and can slot up anywhere in the D.

But honestly, the Habs have no real need for JVR.
They need a top 4 D and an offensive 2/3 C.

By brain dead moves are you referring to us picking up the anchor of team Canada's blue line. Don't you find there's a lot less drama now ?

 

[BatVader]

By brain dead moves are you referring to us picking up the anchor of team Canada's blue line. Don't you find there's a lot less drama now ?

Actually, I was referring to the long line of idiot signings Bergevin has done.
As for drama, I didn't notice any before other than the coach using PK as a scapegoat for his own screw ups and the sideways looks from Captain Invisible, which I personally would have smacked off his face

 

[Christ]

Wouldn't you also like a unicorn?

Can it play goal?

 

[Mitchy]

Listen, the days of the Habs looking for a top 6 LW are long gone. We have prospects who can play that spot now.

We're looking for a top 4 D (which the Leafs don't have available) and a top 6 C. Bozak is more of a middle 6 C - same with Kadri. There's no trade to talk about here.

Kadri is not a middle 6 C. If you don't like him or want him, fine, but come on now.

 

[sansabri]

Kadri is not a middle 6 C. If you don't like him or want him, fine, but come on now.

I don't want him because he is a middle 6 C. There is no way he could be slotted on our 1st line.

 

[Mitchy]

I don't want him because he is a middle 6 C. There is no way he could be slotted on our 1st line.

He's good defensively, great possession wise, his production is good and in line with other 2Cs, he faces the toughest matchups, and his underlying stats are really, really good. He's a high end 2C. Easily a top 6 center.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

He's good defensively, great possession wise, his production is good and in line with other 2Cs, he faces the toughest matchups, and his underlying stats are really, really good. He's a high end 2C. Easily a top 6 center.

He averages 42 pts the past 2 seasons. He only got 20 goals once.
He's a low end 2C

 

[sansabri]

He's good defensively, great possession wise, his production is good and in line with other 2Cs, he faces the toughest matchups, and his underlying stats are really, really good. He's a high end 2C. Easily a top 6 center.

He's a 2/3C. Good player, but I wouldn't want him on the top line. High end nothing.

 

[Mitchy]

He averages 42 pts the past 2 seasons. He only got 20 goals once.
He's a low end 2C

Conveniently ignoring context. Kadri last year played with Komarov and Grabner. Hardly offensive studs, yet still put 45 points in 76 games. Not to mention, he only had a 6.5 shooting percentage, far lower than his normal s%. Also, after around November, he was at a 60 point pace. His career average is like 49 or 50 points per 82 games. How much do you expect from a 2C?

Also again, I don't why you are ignoring his defensive play, his possession game, and his underlying stats. They all show he's a good 2C.

He's a 2/3C. Good player, but I wouldn't want him on the top line. High end nothing.

Again, a high end 2C. No one is calling him a top line C, but he's indisputably a very good 2C.

 

[JustAHabFan]

basically 3 late 1sts. A pretty safe bet to say that Sherbak, Juulsen or that 20-30OA pick will never become as good as JVR

value aside I wouldnt do it because its the habs. If they want a big winger that can score 30, they can overpay big time.
would rather send him to pitty or just keep him

3 late 1st for JVR? It's highway robbery.

 

[glenbuis]

The deal will down as bozak and a fourth for emelin and a third. Van reimsdyk would be to costly for what he would be worth. There will be other targets for the wing . Desharnais would have to be shipped to anaheim for stoner before bozak trade. Stoner a candidate for buyout after season. We would still need a top 6 winger and top 4 d.

 

[Brock Radunske]

In what world is JVR worth three 1st round pick??
Horrible for the habs

Well, (using your logic) in what world would 3 late 1sts get you 2nd overall pick?


See how ridiculous that sounds?