Proposal: Tor <---> mtl

[hockeyheadlines]

I doubt these two teams ever make this type of deal.

Player for player trades only. Bergevin has said he won't trade away the team's future.

 

[Prairie Habs]

Leafs have no need for the pieces from Montreal so yes a unicorn might be a better fit.

Yeah, when I look at the Leafs I see zero need for a young RD with top 4 potential.

Don't want any of the Hab garbage. Toronto is interested in a championship in June, not October

Have you guys raised the banner from your lottery championship last June yet?

 

[beowulf]

Don't want any of the Hab garbage. Toronto is interested in a championship in June, not October

Habs garbage? Come on.

 

[Willy Styles]

I wouldn't even consider trading Bozak and JVR until we know exactly where we are this season. We likely will be a bubble/wildcard team if the rookies continue to produce l. Marner is really clicking with JVR and Bozak. If any one of them are leaving we need a top 4 RHD coming back.

I don't think Leafs are in sell mode, we might be closer to buy more approaching the deadline. All the underlying advanced stats actually have Toronto as a good middle of the pack team. There usually pretty good at determining long term success.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Leafs are neither trading their veterans for futures or acquiring players for a playoff push by trading futures.

The rookies are playing well, just let things be. Though I could see JVR getting traded as I think Marner is playing a lot better with Bozak than JVR.

 

[Benstheman]

I wouldn't even consider trading Bozak and JVR until we know exactly where we are this season. We likely will be a bubble/wildcard team if the rookies continue to produce l. Marner is really clicking with JVR and Bozak. If any one of them are leaving we need a top 4 RHD coming back.

I don't think Leafs are in sell mode, we might be closer to buy more approaching the deadline. All the underlying advanced stats actually have Toronto as a good middle of the pack team. There usually pretty good at determining long term success.

Leafs are doing pretty good so far. But consistancy is the most difficult thing for young players.

pretty much to soon to know what direction the Leafs might take.

 

[Legend123]

Absolutely no way the Habs are dealing away Juulsen and a first along with Scerback for JVR and garbage (yeahn, mtl is also adding garbage). JVR is worth no where close to that. Plus, he would be yet another floater on this team, no heart whatsoever. Ez pass.
Also Emelin > Bozak for the Habs. And Juulsen is pretty much untouchable. Habs extremely high on him as well as Sergechev, they are the defensive future of the habs.

 

[Brock Radunske]

Nikita Scherbak ($863,333)
David Descharnais ($3,500,000)
Alexei Emelin ($4,100,000)
Noah Juulsen ($894,167)
1st 2017
2nd 2018

Salary Total: $9.35m


Tyler Bozak ($4,200,000)
JVR ($4,250,000)
Matt Hunwick ($1,200,000) or Jhonas Enroth (replace montoya )
Salary Total: $9,65m


Summary:

I think this package like this.

JVR = Scherbak, Juulsen & 1st + cap dump
Bozak & Hunwick = Cap Dump & 2nd 2018

Why would TML do this ?

Continue the rebuild and get IMO good prices on both players who are not considered buildin blocks in the future. Might have to ask a lil more from mtl but still i would like it. Only real problem in it is 49/50 contracts atm ´but we could throw in a ahl'er. 1st isnt gonna be to high, but first is a first and I might be in a minority here, but i think we (tml) are far away from ready with the painful part of the rebuild.
This would make us weaker no doubt but would give us much needed tools in the future with Juulsen and Scherbak and a first and a second. Of course I wouldnt take Eme or DD but its a must take situation to get other parts.

Why would MTL do this:

Cuz they are in a "win now" mode. They would get a nice upgrade to their scorin with jvr for 2yrs and a very good c to their second or third line with a marvellous faceoff skills. Both are worth the salaries easily and JVR is a very good contract. Hunwick to balance the salaries. I think with those names ya would have better chance to fight for the cup.

**If I'm way outta the line with values I apologize**
And NOOOOW ITS TIIIIIMMMMMEEEEE TO Bash this to the ground

Way too many pieces.
Besides, why include Scherbak? He's way too important to Montreal's prospect pool and he might not even crack the Leafs top 10

 

[ultron*]

Yeah, when I look at the Leafs I see zero need for a young RD with top 4 potential.



Have you guys raised the banner from your lottery championship last June yet?

Tbh, it was probably nothing compared to your October Stanley cup banner raising.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Nikita Scherbak ($863,333)
David Descharnais ($3,500,000)
Alexei Emelin ($4,100,000)
Noah Juulsen ($894,167)
1st 2017
2nd 2018

Salary Total: $9.35m


Tyler Bozak ($4,200,000)
JVR ($4,250,000)
Matt Hunwick ($1,200,000) or Jhonas Enroth (replace montoya )
Salary Total: $9,65m


Summary:

I think this package like this.

JVR = Scherbak, Juulsen & 1st + cap dump
Bozak & Hunwick = Cap Dump & 2nd 2018

Why would TML do this ?

Continue the rebuild and get IMO good prices on both players who are not considered buildin blocks in the future. Might have to ask a lil more from mtl but still i would like it. Only real problem in it is 49/50 contracts atm ´but we could throw in a ahl'er. 1st isnt gonna be to high, but first is a first and I might be in a minority here, but i think we (tml) are far away from ready with the painful part of the rebuild.
This would make us weaker no doubt but would give us much needed tools in the future with Juulsen and Scherbak and a first and a second. Of course I wouldnt take Eme or DD but its a must take situation to get other parts.

Why would MTL do this:

Cuz they are in a "win now" mode. They would get a nice upgrade to their scorin with jvr for 2yrs and a very good c to their second or third line with a marvellous faceoff skills. Both are worth the salaries easily and JVR is a very good contract. Hunwick to balance the salaries. I think with those names ya would have better chance to fight for the cup.

**If I'm way outta the line with values I apologize**
And NOOOOW ITS TIIIIIMMMMMEEEEE TO Bash this to the ground

Take out the picks montreal is giving up. BOZAK is not that good and jvr has more questions then answers

 

[sansabri]

Garbage. Easy no for the Habs.

 

[KingTux]

That's waaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyy too much from Montreal POV. The only player we'd be interested is JVR and the price would be around decent prospect + decent pick + cap dump

So something around Scherbak + conditonnal pick (depending on how far we would go in the playoff, so anywhere from 1st to 3rd round) + DD cap dump

 

[Brock Radunske]

That's waaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyy too much from Montreal POV. The only player we'd be interested is JVR and the price would be around decent prospect + decent pick + cap dump

So something around Scherbak + conditonnal pick (depending on how far we would go in the playoff, so anywhere from 1st to 3rd round) + DD cap dump

Yeah...no.
The bare minimum would be Juulsen + 1st with no dump and even that I wouldn't do.
You can keep Scherbak, he literally adds nothing to our pool and would be waivers eligible when and if he ever gets a sniff.

 

[Poochie_D]

Way too many pieces.
Besides, why include Scherbak? He's way too important to Montreal's prospect pool and he might not even crack the Leafs top 10

Easy there big guy. The Leafs have a good prospect pool, but with Marner, Matthews and Nylander graduating I would not make bold/untrue statements like that.

 

[Canadian Jesus]

Replace Bozak with Kadri and Habs do this

 

[Brock Radunske]

Easy there big guy. The Leafs have a good prospect pool, but with Marner, Matthews and Nylander graduating I would not make bold/untrue statements like that.

They've played 10 games, they're still prospects.
I'd have Scherbak firmly behind

Matthews
Marner
Nylander
Brown
Kapanen
Hyman
Sosh
Dermott
Nielsen

He'd be battling it out with the Braccos, Timashovs, Rychels and some of the 2016 picks

 

[Poochie_D]

They've played 10 games, they're still prospects.
I'd have Scherbak firmly behind

Matthews
Marner
Nylander
Brown
Kapanen
Hyman
Sosh
Dermott
Nielsen

He'd be battling it out with the Braccos, Timashovs, Rychels and some of the 2016 picks

No. Just no. He has a higher ceiling that half of those players you listed.

And absolutely you can still consider them prospects but at seasons end they won't be.

 

[Randy Randerson]

No. Just no. He has a higher ceiling that half of those players you listed.

And absolutely you can still consider them prospects but at seasons end they won't be.

Where do you see Scherbak's ceiling? seems like his stock fell dramatically last year, now is sort of recovering but still isn't back to its peak

 

[sansabri]

Yeah...no.
The bare minimum would be Juulsen + 1st with no dump and even that I wouldn't do.
You can keep Scherbak, he literally adds nothing to our pool and would be waivers eligible when and if he ever gets a sniff.

Lol. That offer is no longer on the table. JVR looks disinterested out there.

Replace Bozak with Kadri and Habs do this

No we don't.

 

[Poochie_D]

Where do you see Scherbak's ceiling? seems like his stock fell dramatically last year, now is sort of recovering but still isn't back to its peak

His ceiling is 1st line player. He is extremely talented. He's got 10 points in 12 games down in the A. Zach Hyman doesn't have that ceiling for example. Lets keep in mind too that Zach is a 2010 pick and Nikita is a 2014 pick. One is closer to who he will be for his career and the other still has tons of time to grow.

 

[Randy Randerson]

His ceiling is 1st line player. He is extremely talented. He's got 10 points in 12 games down in the A. Zach Hyman doesn't have that ceiling for example. Lets keep in mind too that Zach is a 2010 pick and Nikita is a 2014 pick. One is closer to who he will be for his career and the other still has tons of time to grow.

I think there's a few players on the list that Brock put forward that were after 10 who have similar ceilings to Scherbak - Bracco and Timashov are both tremendous offensive talents

I think Hyman and Soshnikov were included because they've demonstrated that they're NHL players, lower ceilings than Scherbak but higher floors

After the graduation of Nylander, Marner and Matthews I think Scherbak would be into our top 10 but not top 5, and in a position that our system is already strong

I'd be interested in Juulsen because we don't have good organizational depth for RHD, but I don't see a reason to acquire Scherbak if JVR can be either kept to play on our team when the kids are ready to really contribute or sent elsewhere to target young defensemen in a trade

 

[Makar Goes Fast]

ahh the ever popular 9 piece deal

 

[kingdok]

Have you guys raised the banner from your lottery championship last June yet?

haha

 

[HuGo Sham]

Where do you see Scherbak's ceiling? seems like his stock fell dramatically last year, now is sort of recovering but still isn't back to its peak

remember Scherbak has been injured- this is his first season of really being healthy

 

[Randy Randerson]

remember Scherbak has been injured- this is his first season of really being healthy

Ya he seems to be righting the ship, just not sure where his stock is right now. I'm sure that a 60pt AHL campaign would fix any damage that last year caused

He's a good prospect, just at a position that the leafs are already deep so I wouldn't be targeting him personally