Confirmed Signing with Link: [TOR] Matt Martin (4 years, $2.5M AAV)

[Liminality]

Who was talking about last year or the year before? You are trying to change the narrative?

You're the only one doing that with your first comment.

If the Leafs signed Orr out of retirement would that make you a fan of the Leafs again?

 

[LeafChief]

LOL The Winter Soldier is back again.

Who hurt you?

Anyways, I really wanted Martin. Probably would have been happier if it was 500k cheaper and 1 year less but is it really THAT big of a deal?

Players like Tucker became folk heroes in this city. Look for Martin to do the same. You NEED a guy like him that can actually play to be in the lineup with the young ELITE skill.

Enough crying.

 

[Brew]

Give it a year...

Just bow out while you've been left behind.

 

[LV*]

under this regime since 2014, they've signed 2 guys like martin:

Mark Fraser on a PTO last year
and Rich Clune.

Hey, aren't you done being a Leafs fan?

Huge TML fan right here

 

[LilySmoov]

Your thoughts on Tom Wilson (basically the same player) 2 months ago.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=117762919&postcount=60

What changed your mind since then?

Quoting because this post deserves to be quoted.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

"Leafs going full circle reverting back to truculence."

I was falling in line with your conversation.

Do you think Martin is another Orr clone? I just want to know where your knowledge is at with him.

I would love to keep posting in this thread. But I really do not want to talk about the Leafs or Martin all night.

So read my post again. They signed a face puncher. They drafted more size this draft. To me this is resembles a former regime. Which I am not casting a negative or positive light on. You may disagree with this. But I don't think you would have much of a case that this draft and UFA summer to date does not resemble previous summers.

This was all that was said and implied. Nothing else. A simple accurate observation that seems to have gotten the defences up for some. ?

 

[TheLeastOfTheBunch]

Leafs going full circle reverting back to truculence.

Nope. Like the poster said above, it's just one signing, just one player.

So were Orr and Clarkson. You may want to imply this is the case, but look at their draft this year. A lot of focus on Size and the one signing to date is added testosterone and truculence to quote 1 former GM.

Seems to me they went after BPA everytime with their draft picks. Nothing "truculent" about that draft, aside from maybe Middleton. Even then "truculence" doesn't fit all that well.

You can spin this however you like though.

 

[KPower]

I would love to keep posting in this thread. But I really do not want to talk about the Leafs or Martin all night.

So read my post again. They signed a face puncher. They drafted more size this draft. To me this is resembes the former regime. You may disagree with this. But I don't think you would have much of a case that this draft and UFA summer to date does not resemble previous summers.

This was all that was said and implied. Nothing else. A simple accurate observation that seems to have gotten the defences up for some. ?

The subtle troll is not so subtle.

 

[Pocket Hercules]

I would love to keep posting in this thread. But I really do not want to talk about the Leafs or Martin all night.

So read my post again. They signed a face puncher. They drafted more size this draft. To me this is resembles a former regime. Which I am not casting a negative or positive light on. You may disagree with this. But I don't think you would have much of a case that this draft and UFA summer to date does not resemble previous summers.

This was all that was said and implied. Nothing else. A simple accurate observation that seems to have gotten the defences up for some. ?

Tail between your legs?

 

[LeafChief]

I would love to keep posting in this thread. But I really do not want to talk about the Leafs or Martin all night.

So read my post again. They signed a face puncher. They drafted more size this draft. To me this is resembles a former regime. Which I am not casting a negative or positive light on. You may disagree with this. But I don't think you would have much of a case that this draft and UFA summer to date does not resemble previous summers.

This was all that was said and implied. Nothing else. A simple accurate observation that seems to have gotten the defences up for some. ?

No? Because it seems like that's all that you do.

If you don't want to talk about something, don't enter the thread.

 

[Mitchy]

Classic Interactif.

 

[Liminality]

I would love to keep posting in this thread. But I really do not want to talk about the Leafs or Martin all night.

So read my post again. They signed a face puncher. They drafted more size this draft. To me this is resembes the former regime. You may disagree with this. But I don't think you would have much of a case that this draft and UFA summer to date does not resemble previous summers.

This was all that was said and implied. Nothing else. A simple accurate observation that seems to have gotten the defences up for some. ?

If Martin is only a face puncher then that's all I need to know about your insight on him.

Some people are defensive because you're flat out wrong with the draft.
Your old style of seeing players is becoming apparent, big does not mean face puncher. The Leafs drafted big but they drafted players in a way past regimes wouldn't dare to. I'm not going to get into details of it cause this is not the right thread.

I'm just responding to your comments which had derailed this thread, nice one.

 

[LeafChief]

If Martin is only a face puncher then that's all I need to know about your insight on him.

Some people are defensive because you're flat out wrong with the draft.
Your old style of seeing players is becoming apparent, big does not mean face puncher. The Leafs drafted big but they drafted players in a way past regimes wouldn't dare to. I'm not going to get into details of it cause this is not the right thread.

I'm just responding to your comments which had derailed this thread, nice one.

Some people do not understand the sport of hockey. It's odd that these same people have made 40,000 posts about hockey.

 

[Keep Sorokin Me Babe]

Your thoughts on Tom Wilson (basically the same player) 2 months ago.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=117762919&postcount=60

What changed your mind since then?

Weird shift in tone.

 

[LV*]

Classic Interactif.

I know he changed his name to be more "hip" and appeal to the younger guys but its not cool

 

[TheLeastOfTheBunch]

If Martin is only a face puncher then that's all I need to know about your insight on him.

Some people are defensive because you're flat out wrong with the draft.
Your old style of seeing players is becoming apparent, big does not mean face puncher. The Leafs drafted big but they drafted players in a way past regimes wouldn't dare to. I'm not going to get into details of it cause this is not the right thread.

I'm just responding to your comments which had derailed this thread, nice one.

Interactif is a big fan of Andrew Nielsen's, a guy who stands at 6'3", and someone who accumulated 101 PIMs to 24 points in his draft year. Wonder if he thought that was a "truculent" pick

Your thoughts on Tom Wilson (basically the same player) 2 months ago.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=117762919&postcount=60

What changed your mind since then?

Absolute gold

 

[Mad Brills*]

Hey, aren't you done being a Leafs fan?

Huge TML fan right here

signing russell would be that last straw for a while.

Martin wasn't.

 

[LeafChief]

Haha his take on Tom Wilson TWO months ago is brilliant.

 

[LeafingTheWay]

I would love to keep posting in this thread. But I really do not want to talk about the Leafs or Martin all night.

So read my post again. They signed a face puncher. They drafted more size this draft. To me this is resembles a former regime. Which I am not casting a negative or positive light on. You may disagree with this. But I don't think you would have much of a case that this draft and UFA summer to date does not resemble previous summers.

This was all that was said and implied. Nothing else. A simple accurate observation that seems to have gotten the defences up for some. ?

Oh look, Edmonton signed a face puncher today too for 6 mill!

Here's the difference:
1) This face-puncher isn't an AHL/ECHL caliber player (Orr, McLaren, Brown).
2) Their MAIN focus is on skill, building around pure talent/skill. Not like the former regime whose MAIN focus was on size and grit.
3) Those big players/wierd selections? Their main focus this year were overagers, not 'big players'.

 

[Kimota]

Phenomenal aquisition. Let's face it, all fanbases wanted him. Lou must have wanted him to protect the kids.

 

[duffy9748]

I love how much pub this gets because he signed with the Leafs, this doesn't hit 100 replies if he get's this deal with Columbus/Dallas etc

Just from reading through the thread, 75% of the posts seem to be from Toronto fans...

That being said, it isn't a good contract, but it isn't going to hurt the Leafs in any way.

 

[LeafingTheWay]

Let me know when you want to talk about Martin, and what he was brought in for. Orr was brought in under similar circumstances. If you want to dispute this. Then do this.

I know both were not brought in to score goals, it is for an obvious role. A role this Mgt team sees value in now as it did 6 years ago.

HUGE difference. Orr was an AHL/ECHL caliber player. It's like signing a Winnik-lite, if that makes it easier for you to understand?

Martin is very good defensively and is great 4th line.
With your logic: Would you say the main reason the Oilers brought in Lucic (as opposed to the other options) was to protect guys like McDavid?

 

[DonskoiDonscored]

This leafs management is usually smart with their contracts. This one is a head scratcher.

 

[LeafingTheWay]

Leafs would NEVER sign Weise, Orr, Clune, Tom Wilso, etc to this same contract. M.Martin is the perfect 4th liner (Great defensively, decent possession wise, agitator/hitter/fighter).

 

[Coaches Coroner]

I would love to keep posting in this thread. But I really do not want to talk about the Leafs or Martin all night.

So read my post again. They signed a face puncher. They drafted more size this draft. To me this is resembles a former regime. Which I am not casting a negative or positive light on. You may disagree with this. But I don't think you would have much of a case that this draft and UFA summer to date does not resemble previous summers.

This was all that was said and implied. Nothing else. A simple accurate observation that seems to have gotten the defences up for some. ?

You seem to have to constantly defend and re-explain your posts, not just in this thread, but in virtually every thread you post in. If people constantly keep "misinterpreting" the intent or meaning of your posts, it's very likely that it is not a problem of other people, but a problem with your ability to accurately express yourself and communicate.
Also, didn't you have criticism's last year that the Leafs were taking too many small players? Just curious, as if that's the case, even if we assume your assumption of going for size and truculence (which is not entirely founded, as much as you praise your own assessment as accurate), would that not serve to balance things out ?

Some people do not understand the sport of hockey. It's odd that these same people have made 40,000 posts about hockey.

I'd wager AT LEAST 20,000 of which are posts of back pedaling, "explaining" to people how they misunderstood what he meant.