The NHL stopped being a free market society the moment the cap came into place.
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The NHL stopped being a free market society the moment the cap came into place.
Hunter368
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The funny part of this, I’ve been a Leaf fan for more years then a big chunk of the Leaf board has been alive.......now they're my 2nd favourite team. But Jesus Christ man stop complaining about taxes & freaking weather when we (Leafs) hold arguably the biggest advantage of them all aka endorsements. Leafs could tank every single year and still make more money and players make more in endorsements then the cup winning team virtually every year. Man if some complain about that what would do if they cheered for a small market US team like the Wild or Canes etc or small market Canadian team like Jets or Oilers......they would lose their minds.
I'm not seeing a huge advantage for Nashville. I'm seeing Ryan Johansson and Matt Duchene at 8m apiece, and neither of those guys is a #1C on most NHL teams.
And then I'm seeing a bunch of guys who took RFA deals because RFAs don't really have leverage. Except in Toronto, apparently. But really that's just something you tell yourself to justify Dubas's negotiating.
That’s exactly what that is, because it’s the biggest city Center in Canada makes it the most known and popular allowing them to do that. You think they were only able to do that because they’re a good hockey team or good at marketing?
Hunter368
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Don’t disagree with any of that.....but their huge popularity is largely due to being located in biggest population centre within Canada and the age of the team and the popularity of hockey in Canada........none of which has anything to do with team success on the ice or standings.
Last time weren’t you the one who told me that a fan accountant was right about taxes. Who admitted they were wrong and you said something about big foot?
Nashville just signed duchene 8 x 7 when skinner signed for 9.5
Poile is on the record for converting contract values into tax free “Nashville dollars”.
Come on. Be better.
All I can say is that’s what the announced on leafs lunch. Overdrive and during the game.
Why is that all you can say? Because it sounds better than doing some actual fact checking?
Tripod
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100% agreed. Hell, unlike some, I FEEL how popular the Leafs are. I own a company and we SELL NHL hats across Canada. I know how in Atlantic Canada, Toronto, Montreal and Boston are the top selling teams with Pittsburgh next up. In the West, i know the stores order "their team", then some from the next closest...then always order Toronto and Montreal too....and never order Ottawa...lol.
It's really obvious the Leafs have advantages others don't. And personally, I think the SHOULD use that advantage to try and get an edge. But as you said, you can't brag about endorsement deals their players get over others, and then ignore them in a different argument.
Cotton
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Great sweeping generalizations.
But that's not what happened, Stamkos took the same offer from Yzerman that he had turned down months prior. He took the meeting with Toronto to call Y's bluff on the take it or leave it offer and then caved because Tampa was a good spot. He admitted to Tavares last pre-season that the reason he didn't sign was because the Leafs were a bottom feeder.
The different tune was a bunch of Lightning fans who called him broken goods when it looked like he might leave before doing a 360 after he came back.
It was never about taxes, unlike hockey fans these guys rarely give a shit about stuff like that, it was about being on a contender in a place that he enjoyed.
...I don't think you understood that conversation correctly. But then again, it wasn't written in an article, which is apparently the be-all, end-all gospel to you.
Skinner scored 40 goals for a team that needs goals.
Duchene is a 2C on most teams in the league, with a career high of 70 points, and he got 8m. I'm not sure how that's a steal. ...I guess in Toronto that would be a steal though, because 70 point players are worth 11.6m there, so nevermind.
Still seems to be paying guys market value though. I'm not seeing huge steals. They're only steals if you compare them to Toronto contracts, not the rest of the league.
Turned out not to be a bluff. And when he realized that, he took the offer.
So playing for a good team factored into the decision? ...Interesting...
Nope. Didn't make the 360 until this past season. He looked like broken goods until then, despite the points he was putting up. This past season he finally regained his form.
Agreed there.
Huh? If they report the attendance on line. Do you go around and count the people? Or believe them?
It’s a leaf owned broadcast who reported it was a sellout and tickets were going for 600. They reported it on multiple platforms.
You can choose to believe 10’people showed up and got their tickets free in cereal box. Up to you really
If they told you the attendance was 100,000 would you believe or think something sounds off and look into it?
What? So you refuse to believe attendance records. And personally go and count heads. Because you don’t think that they are accurate. Based on a hypothetical that they may report a number that never happened?
Good talk
CupsOverCash
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Yes it was exactly what happened with the fanbases. Stamkos might have went there with the intention to sign in TB but Toronto fans were saying that we wouldnt be able to sign him for as much Toronto would be able to give because of endorsments. Then as soon as he signed it TB the tune changed to OMG TAXES!!!
No we were sour on him until last year. He was not playing well until last year. I think he was finally fully healthy.
As for your 3rd point I agree. It was never about taxes. It was about being on a contender.
I never said any of that. I’m asking you if you just believe everything you hear or if you actually use critical thinking when you hear something that sounds off. But sure just be condescending I guess.
In this circumstance. Yes. Of course. We can question everything if we want but it’s a pretty tough way to live.
In which circumstance are you talking about? And again I never said anything about questioning everything. I’m talking about questioning things that sound unreasonable, or just blindly believing things just because it fits what you’d like to believe
They official radio broadcast of the team saying how many seats were sold and prices.
Makes sense to believe that.
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