Confirmed Signing with Link: [TOR] Marner re-signs (6 years, $10.893M AAV) Part III

[Throw More Waffles]

Like I said. Email the athletic. Email cap friendly.
It’s not hard.

Ok. Email the nba. It’s not hard.

See? We can both play the “appeal to authority” card.

But I’m the one admitting that it’s very very complicated and not NEARLY as black and white as you try to make it.

The tax angle is CRUCIAL to your agenda. Which is why you’ve dug your heels in to such a degree.

But you look pretty silly when you claim the nba doesn’t understand the tax advantages of rca’s as much as you do.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

PS You spelled Dubas incorrectly.

Or he knew what he was doing ?

 

[Legion34]

Ok. Email the nba. It’s not hard.

See? We can both play the “appeal to authority” card.

But I’m the one admitting that it’s very very complicated and not NEARLY as black and white as you try to make it.

The tax angle is CRUCIAL to your agenda. Which is why you’ve dug your heels in to such a degree.

But you look pretty silly when you claim the nba doesn’t understand the tax advantages of rca’s as much as you do.

I’m not the one who is disagreeing with the experts in the league that we are talking about.

You are disagreeing with nhl accountants and players and agents and GMs.

My “agenda” is taking a look at historical precedents and experts.

Again email cap friendly. Maybe they will put an RCA box into account.

Email Jason Chevrier. Ask for his client list and you can tell them how taxes work.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

if tax was factored into the equation, i'm sure the salaries would seem much closer, and maybe even slanted lower for high tax teams. ...factor tax, and spit out the net salary for LA, NY, Tor, and TB

i.e. Marner is making $16,000,000 this season and his take home is as follows:
Toronto: $7,463,733
LA: 7,629720
NY: $8,345,421
TB: $9,720,306

Tor has a much higher Cap Hit than TB because of Taxes...
in fact they have the highest in the League (Tied with Ott) while TB has the lowest.

Cap = $81,500,000
Leafs Net = $37,901,583
TB Net= $48,014,179

TB 'technically' has a Cap $10+ million higher than the Leafs.

The NHL Cap should be factored on the NET After Tax on a Team by Team basis, else there is no true parity.

That's quite simplistic.

What about cost of living adjustements and other factors ?

 

[Breakers]

Darren Ferris -------- #GOAT

If this didn't net him a few potential new clients or even high end prospects looking for representation I'd be shocked.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

only a 'fool' thinks varying tax rates makes for an even playing field.

Is that what the quoted post claimed ?

 

[Throw More Waffles]

I’m not the one who is disagreeing with the experts in the league that we are talking about.

You are disagreeing with nhl accountants and players and agents and GMs.

My “agenda” is taking a look at historical precedents and experts.

Again email cap friendly. Maybe they will put an RCA box into account.

Email Jason Chevrier. Ask for his client list and you can tell them how taxes work.

The articles I’m reading state that a lot of players in Canada DO use rca’s. They also show that the rca is an enormous tax advantage. You can’t just pretend that these articles say different things. And it’s a FACT that the nba banned rca’s because of their unfair financial advantages.

Honestly... when a player uses the Matthews contract as a comparable... are you saying they literally perform an audit on Matthews to first figure out specifically how much tax he paid? They study his rca contributions? His residency? The signing bonuses? The extra money he’s made from investments from having his contract so front loaded?

You’re saying all of that happens, and then they apply that to their clients tax situation?

I don’t think so. I think that’s bullshit. What they probably see is “58 million over 5 years”. The end.

 

[Legion34]

The articles I’m reading state that a lot of players in Canada DO use rca’s. They also show that the rca is an enormous tax advantage.

Honestly... when a player uses the Matthews contract as a comparable... are you saying they literally perform an audit on Matthews to first figure out specifically how much tax he paid? They study his rca contributions? His residency? The signing bonuses? The extra money he’s made from investments from having his contract so front loaded?

You’re saying all of that happens, and then they apply that I their clients tax situation?

I don’t think so. I think that’s bull****. What they probably see is “58 million over 5 years”. The end.

Again you are injecting your opinion and imaginary conversations into it. To suit your agenda

I think. Maybe. Probably. You don’t know.

We do know what NHL experts say in the tax issue. That INCLUDES RCAs

The tax advantages are clear and undisputed by any one who is an actual professional

 

[ottawa]

Ok. Email the nba. It’s not hard.

See? We can both play the “appeal to authority” card.

But I’m the one admitting that it’s very very complicated and not NEARLY as black and white as you try to make it.

The tax angle is CRUCIAL to your agenda. Which is why you’ve dug your heels in to such a degree.

But you look pretty silly when you claim the nba doesn’t understand the tax advantages of rca’s as much as you do.

Why do Leafs fan always whine about the cap? So many teams pay around the same or more taxes but no one overpays by 2m+ like Dubas.

Maybe the tax isn't the issue but it's a certain someone?

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Again you are injecting your opinion and imaginary conversations into it. To suit your agenda

I think. Maybe. Probably. You don’t know.

We do know what NHL experts say in the tax issue. That INCLUDES RCAs

The tax advantages are clear and undisputed by any one who is an actual professional

There’s a lot of conflicting arguments made by “professionals” when it comes to rca’s. My PRECISE argument is that it’s all far more complicated than you make it out to be.

You use a “they pay 15% less taxes, so subtract 15% from their aav.” THATS what I’m challenging.

We’ve seen Dubas HIMSELF mention the importance of signing bonuses to offset tax differences. We’ve seen that the leafs specifically help their players sign up for rca’s. We’ve seen that American residents only pay 15% Canadian tax on their signing bonuses.

It is not NEARLY as simple as “Pay 15% less income tax... subtract 15% from aav.”

Again... do you think other players specifically audited Matthews to see what PRECISE tax% he ended up paying? Or did they just say “58 mil over 5 years.”

 

[crowi]

One dude is back with a vengeance and poorly thought arguments. I feel most people laugh at this man - and it's deserved.

 

[Menzinger]

Why do Leafs fan always whine about the cap? So many teams pay around the same or more taxes but no one overpays by 2m+ like Dubas.

Maybe the tax isn't the issue but it's a certain someone?

Can you honestly expect the fans of wealty teams to enjoy seeing artificial constraints hamper.their team?

Like I know the cap isnt going away, but let's not pretend everyone has to enjoy it

 

[crowi]

Can you honestly expect the fans of wealty teams to enjoy seeing artificial constraints hamper.their team?

Like I know the cap isnt going away, but let's not pretend everyone has to enjoy it

Ah, yes. The salary cap. The biggest enemy of TML ever. That's why they've been successful it was implemented in 2005. Like 50 years ago they were good.

 

[Legion34]

That's quite simplistic.

What about cost of living adjustements and other factors ?

Sure. If there is a cost of living cap or a weather cap or an endorsement cap. Then it should all be the same.

The salary cap is not a natural state of affairs.
The NHL artificially imposed it because teams couldn’t compete.

It allows for cost certainty. And parity.
If the only goal was cost certainty. Then every cap structure that pays the players 50 percent is equally valid.

So allowing the top half big market teams to have 101.5 cap abs the smallest to have a 60.5 cap is equally valid as the equal model. If the only goal is cost certainty. They are all equal. Which means parity is a key factor.

If you want equal. Make it equal. Simple

 

[CupsOverCash]

Sure. If there is a cost of living cap or a weather cap or an endorsement cap. Then it should all be the same.

The salary cap is not a natural state of affairs.
The NHL artificially imposed it because teams couldn’t compete.

It allows for cost certainty. And parity.
If the only goal was cost certainty. Then every cap structure that pays the players 50 percent is equally valid.

So allowing the top half big market teams to have 101.5 cap abs the smallest to have a 60.5 cap is equally valid as the equal model. If the only goal is cost certainty. They are all equal. Which means parity is a key factor.

If you want equal. Make it equal. Simple

Should every team have the same gm?

 

[Pilky01]

Darren Ferris -------- #GOAT

If this didn't net him a few potential new clients or even high end prospects looking for representation I'd be shocked.

Unfortunately for Ferris there is only one Kyle Dumbas.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

I’m not the one who is disagreeing with the experts in the league that we are talking about.

You are disagreeing with nhl accountants and bplayers and agents and GMs.

My “agenda” is taking a look at historical precedents and experts.

Again email cap friendly. Maybe they will put an RCA box into account.

Email Jason Chevrier. Ask for his client list and you can tell them how taxes work.

I mean... the tsn panel (two former nhl PLAYERS) just said "and don't give me the state tax garbage either. It's bogus. It always has been bogus. I don't want to hear it."


I thought players were unanimous about these tax advantages?

Hmmm... seems to be like what I said. It's FAR more complicated than your oversimplifications.

 

[Legion34]

I mean... the tsn panel (two former nhl PLAYERS) just said "and don't give the state tax garbage either. It's bogus. It always has been bogus. I don't want to hear it."


I thought players were unanimous about these tax advantages?

Hmmm... seems to be like what I said. It's FAR more complicated than your oversimplifications.

The one where Brian Hayes says it ? Good job.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

The one where Brian Hayes says it ? Good job.

Yeah, and Jeff O'neil laughs and nods his head, and Jamie Mclennan agreed and added to the point.

Jeff O'neil has been outspoken in criticing the "tax advantage" argument over the past few months by the way. Say... he IS former player, right?

O'neil AND McLennan... 2 former players. Both think the tax advantage argument is nonsense. I thought players were (lol) "unanimous" about this?

You're not going to respond to this post, are you

 

[Legion34]

Yeah, and Jeff O'neil laughs and nods his head, and Jamie Mclennan agreed and added to the point.

Jeff O'neil has been outspoken in criticing the "tax advantage" argument over the past few months by the way. Say... he IS former player, right?

O'neil AND McLennan... 2 former players. Both think the tax advantage argument is nonsense. I thought players were (lol) "unanimous" about this?

You're not going to respond to this post, are you

Soooooo they didn’t actually say it wasn’t an advantage?they never actually said a word and talked about their own points??

Right? O Neil has been outspoken about how players should want to play in Toronto instead of garbage markets. He NEVER has said the tax advantages don’t exist when I have heard him.

Did you not see McLennan and Lebrun. Where Lebrun goes off on how the unfair advantages make the point salary incomparable to marner?

Hmmmmmm you left that out right? Just missed it?

 

[Legion34]

Yeah, and Jeff O'neil laughs and nods his head, and Jamie Mclennan agreed and added to the point.

Jeff O'neil has been outspoken in criticing the "tax advantage" argument over the past few months by the way. Say... he IS former player, right?

O'neil AND McLennan... 2 former players. Both think the tax advantage argument is nonsense. I thought players were (lol) "unanimous" about this?

You're not going to respond to this post, are you

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/is-it-...int-s-new-deal-with-marner-s-contract~1787155

LeBrun just said that Tampa has an incredible advantage that plays into ALL negotiations and McLennan was right there.

Soooooo now what?

You keep trying to prove this doesn’t exist.

You went from

there is no tax advantage to “its complicated”.

You just said 2 NHL players said “don’t give
Me the tax advantages” when they NEVER did.

What else do you want to make up?

I’m curious

 

[supsens]

Soooooo they didn’t actually say it wasn’t an advantage?

Right? O Neil has been outspoken about how players should want to play in Toronto instead of garbage markets.

Did you not see McLennan and Lebrun. Where Lebrun goes off on how the unfair advantages make the point salary incomparable to marner?

Hmmmmmm you left that out right? Just missed it?

Canadian residents only have to pay 15% of signing bonuses from the US also. Plus money can be invested and sheltered in many ways. There may be some difference but I doubt Marner is paying 53% on every penny he gets from the NHL

 

[Legion34]

Canadian residents only have to pay 15% of signing bonuses from the US also. Plus money can be invested and sheltered in many ways. There may be some difference but I doubt Marner is paying 53% on every penny he gets from the NHL

Marner is canadian. In Canada

 

[supsens]

Marner is canadian. In Canada

Can’t the agent have a firm set up in the US recive a contract and pay Marner any way he sees fit?
Can’t marners dad employ Marner and recive the contract from the leafs and do what they want with the money...reinvest in other things so it’s not profit or make every penny bonus even?
There’s many ways to cut a pie

 

[Legion34]

Can’t the agent have a firm set up in the US recive a contract and pay Marner any way he sees fit?
Can’t mariners dad employ Marner and recive the contract from the leafs and do what they want with the money...reinvest in other things so it’s not profit or make every penny bonus even?
There’s many ways to cut a pie

And there are many ways to get arrested for tax evasion.

Come on. You can’t be an adult and think like this.

People who work in the CRA don’t know who Mitch marner is?