You can justify paying 41% of your cap to three forwards however you want.
TB has a pattern--sign a guy to a bridge deal, and then, if he's a star, he gets 11% of the cap.
Confirmed Signing with Link: [TOR] Marner re-signs (6 years, $10.893M AAV) Part III
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You can justify paying 41% of your cap to three forwards however you want.
TB has a pattern--sign a guy to a bridge deal, and then, if he's a star, he gets 11% of the cap.
Menzinger
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Well if it wasn't obvious before the Point signing, Mitch Marner got overpaid badly
I'm not sure how that pattern doesn't work out to 11% of the cap. Same as it always does.
We've had exactly one cap casualty so far, JT Miller, and we got a 1st for him.
Yeah, even worse.
I love to blame Kyle Dubas, I just try to be fair.
Why Kyle Dubas is an idiot for this:
(Forgive me if this isn’t 100%, I’m not Mouser) The trade for David Clarkson was made to exploit LTIR but only works if their roster is set by the opening deadline. If the Marner signing happened into the season they couldn’t have LTIR’ed the entire amount + if/when he did, the first year number is further inflated to back-pay time missed. This won’t work. That moved up the deadline from Dec 1st to next week. If Darren Ferris is competent at his job he knew Dubas’ clock was ticking. Rookie mistake... but he’s in a tough spot when Mitch Marner thinks he should be paid like Auston Matthews rather than falling below Patrick Kane and Nikita Kucherov. This information made public obviously lowers potential trade value, and he wouldn’t sign an offer sheet. What do you do at that point? Sell him for pennies on the dollar? Let him sit?
Dubas is a fool, no question.. but Marner’s camp and their public greed made this entire situation into a particularly tough one IMO. Dubas was in a lose-lose, albeit, some of his own doing.
The Shrike
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The tax difference in Florida taxes and Ontario is about 6.5% (13% for 1/2 the games) minus write offs in Ontario likely making it closer to 5%.
thekernel
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I suppose that depends on what you think 11M is worth.
CreeksideStrangler
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its obvious Paul wanted evwry penny he could get. Have you watched Mitch's cbc skit from pee-wee? Paul is living through his son's talent AND pocketbook
Oh, that changes everything. If that is the case, it is only fair that Dubas gave him what he wanted.
I would have let him sit until his demands were more reasonable.
Unfortunately, with the deal given to Matthews, it would create quite the double standard. But regardless, I'd have called his bluff.
TheGroceryStick
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I'd say it was more than 6.75
But yes I'd say he wanted 3 years with the final year being around 11
I said this before the signing: signing Tavares was a bad idea.
The Tavares signing and caving with Nylander made the AM and MM contracts inevitable... Now, it was too late to do anything, the only way out of the corner he painted himself in was to force MM to sit out one season... And Dumbas could not afford doing that, after caving twice...
He should had seen this coming during the negociation with Nylander, and play ball then. Or not get a new shinny toy when it was clear that this will cost long run....
How is the Matthews deal relevant? He signed an extension mid season?
The reason Dubas’ hand was forced was due to the poor decision to acquire the Clarkson contract in attempt to maximize LTIR relief - in doing so, he had to have Marner on the roster for day one or it blows up in his face. Ferris knew this.
I’m banned from the Dubas thread for being critical of him but let’s try to be fair. Marner’s inflated sense of self worth (driven by father and agent) is what really elevated the number.
I'm glad you dont run the Leafs.
I like the Leafs with Tavares and all the other stars they can squeeze under the cap.
I couldn't care less if they had to let go of Connor Brown etc and have to forego three guys sitting in the press box to do that.
I'm liking what I see on the ice at the ScotiaBank Arena.
PS You spelled Dubas incorrectly.
The Winter Soldier
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That's a non existent advantage, Marner would make that up in endorsement opportunities not available to Point. Add that on to Marner's 10.9 AAV.
Even if you like the Tavares signing, which improved the Leafs for the first 1-2 years but hurts you long term, Dubas could still come out OK by making a stand with Nylander. The moment he caved there, the rest was innevitable.
The irony is that Dubas caved with Nylander because he didn't want to waste the last year of ELC for AM and MM, yet the Leafs would had a better chance last year to pass Boston if they let Nylander sit for the year....
That’s speculation on your part. You don’t know what endorsements are available to Point or how much Marner can/will make.
If your company is making more than most if not all of its competitors, and you’re one of the 3-5 most valuable contributors to that, would you take less so the company can remain manageable while you make up the difference on your own time doing additional work? Some would, maybe. Others wouldn’t. If your player is one that wouldn’t, and makes his stance very public, it really limits your options.
Again, Dubas was in a no-win and IMO tried to take the least painful L. Letting him sit past day 1 sees the LTIR/Clarkson backfire and trading him for what would likely be less than market value doesn’t really make sense, either.
Kyle Dubas is undoubtably an idiot but it’s important to consider the role the Marner camp played in all this, too.
The Winter Soldier
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Its obvious to most that Marner would be in a position to make more endorsements than Point. Not even sure how one can dispute this given the popularity of the 2 hockey markets. The tax advantage angle is so overplayed here when you balance out the endorsements Marner would make.
The number was inflated, for sure, but it was inflated by imaginary pressure. RFAs don't have leverage, even in the age of offer sheets. Unless it's revealed that one of the sheets that came his way offered him more than 10.9, Dubas was just trying to get him to camp.
You’re working on the assumption they’re only marketable as hockey players. That’s not true. Remember when Wes Welker had that commercial for adult diapers?
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but you’re a pretty bad agent if you’re taking less for your client in hopes they’ll have endorsements down the road to make up for it.
Pro sports are volatile. Marner could have his brains scrambled and be Tyler Ennis in a year. Who wants Tyler Ennis in their commercials?
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