Confirmed Signing with Link: [TOR] Marner re-signs (6 years, $10.893M AAV) Part III

[smitty10]

First you hunted Stammer then you went for Tavares, i dont think scoring goals has been the problem these last years of those 50 years of misery!

By the way, Drai 8.5 x8 expires the same year as Marners 10.9x6!

50 years of misery? I'm only 29 years old.

 

[Rob Brown]

First you hunted Stammer then you went for Tavares, i dont think scoring goals has been the problem these last years of those 50 years of misery!

By the way, Drai 8.5 x8 expires the same year as Marners 10.9x6!

Uhhh when Joey Crabb was on our first line, I would say that scoring goals was an issue.

It's so weird to ridicule a team for signing a star hometown player that was in high demand across the entire league. Again, if Edmonton had signed him you wouldn't be saying this at all.

 

[Dekes For Days]

He bought you 9 more goals in the regular season, but 5 points less in the standings.

You're attributing team success to one individual player, which is ridiculous on it's own, and even more ridiculous when you realize the difference between the two seasons was their shootout record.

 

[McClelland]

Uhhh when Joey Crabb was on our first line, I would say that scoring goals was an issue.

It's so weird to ridicule a team for signing a star hometown player that was in high demand across the entire league. Again, if Edmonton had signed him you wouldn't be saying this at all.

But if you think a bit longer then that! You had your franchise player in A.M and a lot of offensive talent.

He bought you 9 g in regular but less points! The most important, he didnt show up in the playoffs as Marner with him!

I dont think its many Oiler fans blindly follow the Orgs decisions, at least since the last cup final!
You can critizize your own teams choices.

JT are a luxury in many teams who search for needs!

 

[Dekes For Days]

First you hunted Stammer then you went for Tavares, i dont think scoring goals has been the problem these last years of those 50 years of misery!

Actually, for many of those years, scoring was very much the problem.

It may not be now, but Tavares plays an important role on this team aside from the insane scoring he provides. He brings positive value at his cap hit, and the Leafs would be pretty weak at center depth-wise without him. He is a great leader, he has chemistry with our star, and he has a role on this team that he fits perfectly.

By the way, Drai 8.5 x8 expires the same year as Marners 10.9x6!

And you have Neal essentially taking up 6.5m for 4 of those years. What's your point?

I really don't think an Edmonton fan wants to get into good/bad contracts just because you got lucky on one questionable signing.

 

[McClelland]

Actually, for many of those years, scoring was very much the problem.

It may not be now, but Tavares plays an important role on this team aside from the insane scoring he provides. He brings positive value at his cap hit, and the Leafs would be pretty weak at center depth-wise without him. He is a great leader, he has chemistry with our star, and he has a role on this team that he fits perfectly.

At 11 m, hes supposed to make a difference in a playoffs, thats what franchise players are supposed to do!


And you have Neal essentially taking up 6.5m for 4 of those years. What's your point?

I really don't think an Edmonton fan wants to get into good/bad contracts just because you got lucky on one questionable signing.

Neal will be bought out if not show up, at least skating in sand Lucic is gone!

But back to subject, Marner in my book are overpaid by 3m! Could had him for 8 if done it right!

 

[Dekes For Days]

Neal will be bought out if not show up, at least skating in sand Lucic is gone!

So you already have 3 buyouts and 1 salary retention on the books, multiple negative value contracts, one of your highest salary contracts is a cap dump that you expect to buy out to significant penalty (that you have because you traded an even worse cap dump), and your team is going nowhere during the primes of your superstars, yet you're in here in the wrong thread laughing about another team signing the best UFA in over a decade to a positive value contract that has benefited their team greatly and helped them cement their place as a top cup contender for years to come at the best time in their core's development? Mmmk...

Marner in my book are overpaid by 3m! Could had him for 8 if done it right!

There is absolutely nothing to support that Marner is overpaid by 3m, and there is absolutely nothing to support that they could have gotten him for 8m, or that they didn't "do it right". Please stop talking about things you have zero knowledge about.

 

[sparxx87]

Neal will be bought out if not show up, at least skating in sand Lucic is gone!

But back to subject, Marner in my book are overpaid by 3m! Could had him for 8 if done it right!

Could you explain the right way to get players to sign for less than they believe they’re worth? I’m sure there’s a GM in Winnipeg, Calgary and even Colorado that’d be very interested to know.

“Take less for the team” is a great motto and all, but if the player isn’t on board then there isn’t much you can do. Sure, they could have held firm and let him miss camp... but then they couldn’t maximize LTIR money and Marner would be trying to catch a moving train like Nylander last year if/when he does sign.

I’m the last person in the world to defend Kyle Dubas, but Marner wanted to maximize his money and based on what we know, there wasn’t much Dubas could do about it.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

I think it was a mistake, not that he is a great C but it ruined the internal salary cap! First you sign your young core then you looking around for needs. Jt signing drove up the contracts especially on M.M who wouldnt had a + 90 season to show without Tavares. AM looked at Tavares, MM at AM and got a huge overpay!

Tavares regular season means nothing, you didnt pay him to break records in regular season, but to take you further on in a playoff. He didnt showed up there and he has a lot to prove as a so called franchise player!

Thought the Leafs was going good with their rebuild and then they took a shortcut with JT, before the team was ready and shortened the window and being in cap hell!

So you wouldn't have signed him for your team?

 

[Rob Brown]

But if you think a bit longer then that! You had your franchise player in A.M and a lot of offensive talent.

He bought you 9 g in regular but less points! The most important, he didnt show up in the playoffs as Marner with him!

I dont think its many Oiler fans blindly follow the Orgs decisions, at least since the last cup final!
You can critizize your own teams choices.

JT are a luxury in many teams who search for needs!

I have criticized the Leafs before. I just don't think signing a top 10 C is a bad move.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

First you hunted Stammer then you went for Tavares, i dont think scoring goals has been the problem these last years of those 50 years of misery!

By the way, Drai 8.5 x8 expires the same year as Marners 10.9x6!

1990 was 30 years ago end of this season.

 

[McClelland]

So you already have 3 buyouts and 1 salary retention on the books, multiple negative value contracts, one of your highest salary contracts is a cap dump that you expect to buy out to significant penalty (that you have because you traded an even worse cap dump), and your team is going nowhere during the primes of your superstars, yet you're in here in the wrong thread laughing about another team signing the best UFA in over a decade to a positive value contract that has benefited their team greatly and helped them cement their place as a top cup contender for years to come at the best time in their core's development? Mmmk...

Their are a lot to clean up after the previous regime, that for sure! With the best in the game + Drai anything can happen with a few good decisions and some prospects taking a step! Already like the Both Shl signings, but the goalies arent good enough!

But we dont talking about contending either, even if vegas made us co favorites after the little run who was a ref decision from take us to conference final! Think other fanbases are fed up listening to screams who good you are when you havent passing the first round yet and hasnt been near a cup in 50 years!





There is absolutely nothing to support that Marner is overpaid by 3m, and there is absolutely nothing to support that they could have gotten him for 8m, or that they didn't "do it right". Please stop talking about things you have zero knowledge about.

Every so called compare in the leuage say hes overpaid, i say 3m other says less!

I also think W.N are a more impact player in the future for the Leafs for 4 m less!# 2 cents

 

[Dekes For Days]

Every so called compare in the leuage say hes overpaid, i say 3m other says less!

Again, there is absolutely zero evidence that he is 3m overpaid, or even close to it.

I also think W.N are a more impact player in the future for the Leafs for 4 m less!# 2 cents

There is also absolutely zero evidence that Nylander will end up a more impactful player in the future.

All you are really doing is showing everybody your lack of knowledge about these players and the team.

 

[sparxx87]

Every so called compare in the leuage say hes overpaid, i say 3m other says less!

I also think W.N are a more impact player in the future for the Leafs for 4 m less!# 2 cents

Many said Draisaitl was overpaid initially, too. Cap goes up, young player gets better and suddenly people have a better perspective on how that number looks over time in relation to an inflating cap.

Some of you might consider looking at the big picture rather than rushing to judgement. This is a 6 year contract that literally hasn’t even started yet... and Mitch Marner just turned 22.

 

[Burke the Legend]

Neal will be bought out if not show up, at least skating in sand Lucic is gone!

You think Neal is faster? He can't even get into position properly in time on the PP

 

[McClelland]

So you wouldn't have signed him for your team?

Happy with McD and Drai thx!

I have criticized the Leafs before. I just don't think signing a top 10 C is a bad move.

If it hurts your team it is, its all about needs

Again, there is absolutely zero evidence that he is 3m overpaid, or even close to it.

There are no evidence that hes wort that contract!


There is also absolutely zero evidence that Nylander will end up a more impactful player in the future.

All you are really doing is showing everybody your lack of knowledge about these players and the team.

Its all about predictons, you have yours, the conclusions comes in 4-5 years!

Happy to bumping this thread then!

 

[sd1976]

or you missed the poster who said JT is underpaid since he could have signed for millions more per year which would have paid him more than CD

Or you missed that those were other teams that made those offers. The Leafs got him for a relatively low price based on what was out there for him to choose from. I think that's the point.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Happy with McD and Drai thx!

The idea that an Edmonton fan would turn down a free franchise center is mind-boggling.

If it hurts your team it is, its all about needs

Tavares has not hurt the team at all, and center was as much a need as anywhere else.

Its all about predictons, you have yours, the conclusions comes in 4-5 years!

Predictions should be made on facts and evidence and reality, not just random thoughts that pop into your head.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Every so called compare in the leuage say hes overpaid, i say 3m other says less!
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But nobody says more eh, that says a lot about your objectivity/credibility (or lack thereof) right there.

I also think W.N are a more impact player in the future for the Leafs for 4 m less!# 2 cents

And in case anyone thought you had any credibility ...

And BTW, that tidbit about Tavares hurting the team was pure comedy gold.

 

[hotpaws]

Or you missed that those were other teams that made those offers. The Leafs got him for a relatively low price based on what was out there for him to choose from. I think that's the point.

pretty much every big ticket ufa says they left money on the table with the corresponding rumor from the insiders saying they believe team x offered more

but my point wasn't whether or not a mystery team(s) offered more but that just because a player can sell themselves to the highest bidder doesn't mean there worth what the highest offer was

so yea you can spin it that since he potentially signed for less than the highest offer that he signed cheap if that makes you feel better but the reality is based on comparable players at that time he didn't actually sign a "cheap" deal

also the way the contract is structured and the endorsements the team lined up it's easy to make the case he didn't leave any money on the table even compared to the rumor of what another team offered

 

[sd1976]

pretty much every big ticket ufa says they left money on the table with the corresponding rumor from the insiders saying they believe team x offered more

but my point wasn't whether or not a mystery team(s) offered more but that just because a player can sell themselves to the highest bidder doesn't mean there worth what the highest offer was

so yea you can spin it that since he potentially signed for less than the highest offer that he signed cheap if that makes you feel better but the reality is based on comparable players at that time he didn't actually sign a "cheap" deal

also the way the contract is structured and the endorsements the team lined up it's easy to make the case he didn't leave any money on the table even compared to the rumor of what another team offered

Its only easy for you to make that case.

 

[hotpaws]

Its only easy for you to make that case.

yea it's easy to make the case he isn't good enough to be the highest cap hit in the league since he isn't the game's best player imo

and it's easy to make the case the way the contract was structured and the endorsements the team lined up that it added millions to his bank account

now it's your turn to explain to me how he signed cheap because you believe he deserved to be the highest paid player in the league and how his deal is structured and the endorsements the team lined up don't add millions to his overall compensation

 

[Drytoast]

With the exception of Tavares, of course.

Tavares is pretty much the same quality of player as Stamkos.

Remind me again what Stammer signed for?

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

It's hard to believe people are still arguing it was a mistake to sign JT (not saying you were). Every GM in the league would have done the same. That's kind of a QED in my mind.

I fully agree with you.

I just wanted to point out that type of signing is not a "free wallet".

 

[7even]

Ranging into "indefensible" territory now.