Confirmed Signing with Link: [TOR] Marner re-signs (6 years, $10.893M AAV) Part III

[Michel Beauchamp]

The difference is Tavares was a ufa and you have to outbid everyone to entice one to sign with you. Worth it though because he came at no asset cost.

Generally speaking, that's not entirely exact.

Sometimes you have to let assets go to fit an UFA under the cap.

 

[666]

I was a big supporter of the Tavares signing. It's approximate market value for a ufa of his caliber. I don't care (or even fully believe) that another team was willing to overpay him in the 13 millions. Quite literally EVERY high profile rfa signing these days comes with insider "rumours" that money was left on the table, so I don't even fully buy it anymore. But regardless, 11x7 is fair for Tavares.

But I really do think it affected contract negotiations for the leafs high profile rfa's. I didn't think it would. But it did.

Now I'm starting to question if the leafs would have been better off without him.
Comparing top 6's.

Choice a:
Johnsson-Matthews-Marner
Kapanen-Kadri-Nylander (plus approx 10 mil cap space)
vs

Choice b:
Kapanen-Tavares-Marner
Johnsson-Matthews-Nylander (minus approx 10 mil cap space).

Hmm.. not sure anymore. Choice A is still a VERY good top 6, with 10 mil extra space for depth on D and other areas.

At the same time, if Tavares continues putting up near 50 goals.. can't really argue with that. But if Tavares reverts back to his career averages of mid 30 goals... I don't know anymore.

This is a bizarre post.

First of all. Kap, AM, Marner, Johnson and Nylander are in both of your lists. So the only difference is JT and Kadri so that works out to $11M-$4.5M=$6.5M not $10M

Second if you're going to elimiate Kadri then you should add in what he got traded for which is Kerfoot + one season of Barrie.

If you really think this way it's pretty scary.

 

[Warden of the North]

I said the minute it happened that Tavares was a poisoned gift.

Really tanked us so far.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

This is a bizarre post.

First of all. Kap, AM, Marner, Johnson and Nylander are in both of your lists. So the only difference is JT and Kadri so that works out to $11M-$4.5M=$6.5M not $10M

Second if you're going to elimiate Kadri then you should add in what he got traded for which is Kerfoot + one season of Barrie.

If you really think this way it's pretty scary.

I estimated $10 million, because (as I stated), I think the Tavares signing hurt negotiations on Matthews and Marner.

Dubas has proven to be quite creative when it comes to trades and ufa signings. With an extra 10 mil in cap space, who knows what he could have done. Maybe it would be better than one year of Barrie before he becomes ufa.

 

[Holymakinaw]

Dubas has proven to be quite creative when it comes to trades and ufa signings. With an extra 10 mil in cap space, who knows what he could have done. Maybe it would be better than one year of Barrie before he becomes ufa.

He couldn't have done any better. The Leafs have a near perfect team. Enjoy!

 

[Strangle]

I estimated $10 million, because (as I stated), I think the Tavares signing hurt negotiations on Matthews and Marner.

Dubas has proven to be quite creative when it comes to trades and ufa signings. With an extra 10 mil in cap space, who knows what he could have done. Maybe it would be better than one year of Barrie before he becomes ufa.

You’re right, maybe he could have even signed a Tavares type with that cap space!

 

[Throw More Waffles]

You’re right, maybe he could have even signed a Tavares type with that cap space!

Well... uh... the point was that the top 2 lines look WAY better than average even without Tavares... so yeah, maybe we could have gotten a "tavares" caliber DEFENCEMAN with that money.

 

[Dustin]

Well... uh... the point was that the top 2 lines look WAY better than average even without Tavares... so yeah, maybe we could have gotten a "tavares" caliber DEFENCEMAN with that money.

Such as? While I'm kind of on the fence with the Tavares signing, any argument involved around signing an elite level defencemen as a UFA is pretty ridiculous.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Well... uh... the point was that the top 2 lines look WAY better than average even without Tavares... so yeah, maybe we could have gotten a "tavares" caliber DEFENCEMAN with that money.

Can you name which one we could have gotten? Or do we sit on 10+mil in unused capspace in the hopes that Karlsson walks to FA?

 

[Dustin]

Can you name which one we could have gotten? Or do we sit on 10+mil in unused capspace in the hopes that Karlsson walks to FA?

It's not like Leafs had sooo many options? There was no player even close to Tavares skill level as a free agent let alone a dman.

And let's be honest, if the Leafs somehow did not sign Tavares it would have absolutely been described as a failure.

 

[bigbabybuda]

I can't even comprehend what kind of a moron one would have to be to believe the Tavares signing was ill-advised in the least. He is a top 15 center in the league by anyone who has any credentials and top 10 goalscorer. He brought Marner to elite level and has shown true leadership. He got offered much more money by multiple teams whom have Gm''s universally respected. To not sign him when it cost's nothing but cap space would he the very definition of stupid.

Anyways back to Marner. Contract should have been 500k cheaper for that price but I don't really care. Spend a little bit extra on elite talent is way better than spending 2mil over on 50pt players like we've done in the past or like Hayes this. Him and Tavares will be even better this year together I have no doubt

 

[Half Clapper]

Overpaid by about 1.5mill. If it was an 8-year deal it would have been fine.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Generally speaking, that's not entirely exact.

Sometimes you have to let assets go to fit an UFA under the cap.

It's hard to believe people are still arguing it was a mistake to sign JT (not saying you were). Every GM in the league would have done the same. That's kind of a QED in my mind.

 

[Foxtail]

Really tanked us so far.

It's only been 1 year but so far he hasn't helped any, the team was just as good without him just as the Islanders are now. He's never elevated his teams.

 

[Dekes For Days]

It's only been 1 year but so far he hasn't helped any, the team was just as good without him just as the Islanders are now. He's never elevated his teams.

He has helped a ton, and no, the team was not just as good without him, and no, the Islanders are not as good as they would be with him. He has elevated teams his entire career.

 

[McClelland]

It's hard to believe people are still arguing it was a mistake to sign JT (not saying you were). Every GM in the league would have done the same. That's kind of a QED in my mind.

I think it was a mistake, not that he is a great C but it ruined the internal salary cap! First you sign your young core then you looking around for needs. Jt signing drove up the contracts especially on M.M who wouldnt had a + 90 season to show without Tavares. AM looked at Tavares, MM at AM and got a huge overpay!

Tavares regular season means nothing, you didnt pay him to break records in regular season, but to take you further on in a playoff. He didnt showed up there and he has a lot to prove as a so called franchise player!

Thought the Leafs was going good with their rebuild and then they took a shortcut with JT, before the team was ready and shortened the window and being in cap hell!

 

[Frank Drebin]

None of our talent signed anything but selfish "me first, team second" contracts. Kills my desire to cheer for this team tbh.

With the exception of Tavares, of course.

 

[Rob Brown]

I think it was a mistake, not that he is a great C but it ruined the internal salary cap! First you sign your young core then you looking around for needs. Jt signing drove up the contracts especially on M.M who wouldnt had a + 90 season to show without Tavares. AM looked at Tavares, MM at AM and got a huge overpay!

Tavares regular season means nothing, you didnt pay him to break records in regular season, but to take you further on in a playoff. He didnt showed up there and he has a lot to prove as a so called franchise player!

Thought the Leafs was going good with their rebuild and then they took a shortcut with JT, before the team was ready and shortened the window and being in cap hell!

He's played exactly one year out of the seven year deal he signed. Can we relax a little bit?

I'm sure if he signed in Edmonton you would be bragging about your top 6, anyway.

 

[Merrrlin]

It's only been 1 year but so far he hasn't helped any, the team was just as good without him just as the Islanders are now. He's never elevated his teams.

How does the decades 3rd best goalscorer not elevate his teams? JT definitely elevated the Islanders, I would have love to see him on a Trotz team but c'est la vie.

How has Marner done this preseason? Who's lining up with him and Tavares?

 

[Dekes For Days]

Tavares regular season means nothing, you didnt pay him to break records in regular season, but to take you further on in a playoff. He didnt showed up there

We pay him for both, and Tavares was good in the playoffs.

Thought the Leafs was going good with their rebuild and then they took a shortcut with JT, before the team was ready and shortened the window and being in cap hell!

If only we could sit on our hands dreaming of what might happen in the future while we waste away the prime years of our superstars like Edmonton... Why oh why did we have to go and make ourselves instant cup contenders for the foreseeable future?

 

[Dekes For Days]

How has Marner done this preseason? Who's lining up with him and Tavares?

Marner has looked a little rusty at times, as expected this early in the preseason, but he is just as crazy good at creating scoring chances as ever. Kapanen is playing on the other side until Hyman comes back.

 

[McClelland]

He's played exactly one year out of the seven year deal he signed. Can we relax a little bit?

I'm sure if he signed in Edmonton you would be bragging about your top 6, anyway.

And 9 seasons with the Islanders! He bought you 9 more goals in the regular season, but 5 points less in the standings.

Im dont saying that hes a bad player, but that he perhaps wasnt the right medicine for a offensive talented team with defensive flaws.

We will see!

 

[The List Of Jericho]

It's only been 1 year but so far he hasn't helped any, the team was just as good without him just as the Islanders are now. He's never elevated his teams.

Indeed...it was JT’s fault the Islanders played in a run and gun system under Weight that made them look terrible in terms of leaking goals and exposing terrible goaltending.

 

[Rob Brown]

And 9 seasons with the Islanders! He bought you 9 more goals in the regular season, but 5 points less in the standings.

Im dont saying that hes a bad player, but that he perhaps wasnt the right medicine for a offensive talented team with defensive flaws.

We will see!

Maybe it was the rest of the team on the Islanders and not just him? Sort of like how McDavid is a great player but the rest of the Oilers suck?

Either way, I don't think it's fair to look at how he did with the Islanders and act like that's all on him and solely because of that he's not going to help the Leafs. Pretty flawed logic.

 

[McClelland]

We pay him for both, and Tavares was good in the playoffs.


If only we could sit on our hands dreaming of what might happen in the future while we waste away the prime years of our superstars like Edmonton... Why oh why did we have to go and make ourselves instant cup contenders for the foreseeable future?

First you hunted Stammer then you went for Tavares, i dont think scoring goals has been the problem these last years of those 50 years of misery!

By the way, Drai 8.5 x8 expires the same year as Marners 10.9x6!