Confirmed Signing with Link: [TOR] Marner re-signs (6 years, $10.893M AAV) Part III
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Recently there has been action regarding the Leafs (major RFA contract) while it has been pretty stagnant regarding the Habs. Its pretty normal for a hockey fan to talk about Marner/Leafs cap situation this summer.
So the post wasn't in character? You really are like that?
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Ita pretty amusing the detailed knowledge some of these folks have about even the teams most obscure prospects. Like I don't care even remotely about most other teams to go that far lol.
So how about the Laine, Rantanen, Tkachuk etc... are you in there commenting on those RFAs like you are/were with Marner?
Gary Nylund
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If you think it's "normal" for fans of all the teams in the NHL to obsess over everything to do with the Leafs, then sure. I mean it's not like there are a bunch of other talented young RFA's out there who's situations are every bit as interesting. Oh wait, I guess they're not as interesting because they don't play for Toronto.
Amusing is indeed the word. I mean every now and then I comment on something to do with other teams, last time IIRC was to say something nice to CBL fans but I'd guess 99%+ of my posts are to do with the Leafs as that's the only team I really care about. IT's funny, the obsession these people have with the Leafs indicates strongly that the Leafs are indeed the centre of the hockey world, and then they get offended when we say it. Go post about some other team and then they can be the centre of attention, see if I care.
Those guys signed? I know this will come as a blow to your ego but I didn't post about the marner saga this summer, what exactly was there to talk about?
I do think the Leafs situation is a unique case study, I've said before in the past the choice of not giving max ELC's to young stars like Marner and Nylander made negotiations much more difficult for Dubas on their second contracts as they both wanted compensation for the last "team friendly" contract that was imposed on them.If you think it's "normal" for fans of all the teams in the NHL to obsess over everything to do with the Leafs, then sure. I mean it's not like there are a bunch of other talented young RFA's out there who's situations are every bit as interesting. Oh wait, I guess they're not as interesting because they don't play for Toronto.
I also find the Tavares situation amusing, he takes a sweetheart deal in Long Island and management fails to ice a competitive team around him. Then he takes a discount to sign in Toronto and the three kids just gobble up the extra cap space Johnny left in the hopes of building a long term contender.
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I'm willing to bet if TSN and Sportsnet were both based in Colorado, we'd be hearing a lot more about Rantanen than Marner.
But the fact that every notable "analyst" or "insider" is based in or around Toronto is a pretty telling reason as to why this summer's RFA crop was basically seen as "Marner and the gang".....and why there were dozens of threads on here about Marner alone. Same thing happened with Nylander last year.
But the fact that every notable "analyst" or "insider" is based in or around Toronto is a pretty telling reason as to why this summer's RFA crop was basically seen as "Marner and the gang".....and why there were dozens of threads on here about Marner alone. Same thing happened with Nylander last year.
Torontos cap situation (due to the Tavares signing) is also more interesting than Colorados, who I believe have all kinds of space.
Dr Pepper
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Right, but my point was that since these "insiders" were all based in Toronto or otherwise focused solely on the Leafs (it seems), we had to listen to Dreger drone on every day about everything Toronto, and what his "sources" were telling him.
Had the roles been reversed and Colorado been the media center of the hockey universe, there'd be a whole bunch of Rantanen threads and they'd get the lion's share of attention instead.
So the reason there's so much interest in Marner, at least on HF, is because it's what most users are being fed by the media on a daily basis.
Gary Nylund
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So you've been following Leaf draft picks for that long eh, wow. You're probably more familiar with the nuances of their contracts then I am, hey whatever turns you on man.
I really hope the Habs become relevant again one of these days, maybe then you'll be more interested in them then the Leafs. Good luck!
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This contract still boggles my mind. He will have a very hard time living up to it. I doubt it will ever be a "value" deal.
Cotton
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I do, quite often. I tend to add them to my ignore list whenever they pop up, even the Leafs ones. And i've somehow managed to resist generalizing entire fanbases and resist mustering hatred towards teams based on the behaviours of some of its fans.
I quite enjoy all the attention the Leafs get. As the late Harold Ballard is reputed to have said, there's no such thing as bad publicity.
The more fans of other teams pay attention to the Leafs the happier I am. It brings relevance to a discussion and helps prevent an echo chamber.
Conversely, I would be hard pressed to name six players on most other teams, and rarely have enough interest to weigh in their player-personnel discussions. When I read the torrents of Leafs talk I sometimes think that you're much more interested in us than we are in you.
Thank you for your interest and attention -- and even to those who seldom if ever have anything nice to say
The more fans of other teams pay attention to the Leafs the happier I am. It brings relevance to a discussion and helps prevent an echo chamber.
Conversely, I would be hard pressed to name six players on most other teams, and rarely have enough interest to weigh in their player-personnel discussions. When I read the torrents of Leafs talk I sometimes think that you're much more interested in us than we are in you.
Thank you for your interest and attention -- and even to those who seldom if ever have anything nice to say
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I still can't believe this signing. Grossly overpaid and only 6 yrs too. At the very least, that amount should've warranted the max term of 8 yrs, even then, it's still a titled deal.
Glad other GM's didn't follow suit and set the standard for this ridiculous contract. Bridge deals w/ McAvoy @ 4.9 and Boeser @5.8. Even Keller signed max term for 7.15M, and imho he has a higher ceiling and better 200 ft game than Marner.
I remember leafs fans berating McDavid's contract when he signed it, calling him 'McGreedy', and leafs fans ridiculing Draisaitl's contract, saying he's just McDavid's shotgun. Today, both contracts are absolute steals, and they both signed for max term. Both will be past their prime when their contract expires, so they won't warrant a huge extension compared to if they were a UFA 2 years earlier. Regardless of leafs fans pestering McDavid to request a trade, both him and Draisaitl are loyal as hell.
Matthews signs for almost min term for UFA status at 5 yrs, and Marner grossly overpaid on a 6 year. Both will be right in their prime when their contract expires and will demand the whole world and then some in free agency (it's pretty obvious what one of them plans to do).
This is a prime example of how Karma works
Glad other GM's didn't follow suit and set the standard for this ridiculous contract. Bridge deals w/ McAvoy @ 4.9 and Boeser @5.8. Even Keller signed max term for 7.15M, and imho he has a higher ceiling and better 200 ft game than Marner.
I remember leafs fans berating McDavid's contract when he signed it, calling him 'McGreedy', and leafs fans ridiculing Draisaitl's contract, saying he's just McDavid's shotgun. Today, both contracts are absolute steals, and they both signed for max term. Both will be past their prime when their contract expires, so they won't warrant a huge extension compared to if they were a UFA 2 years earlier. Regardless of leafs fans pestering McDavid to request a trade, both him and Draisaitl are loyal as hell.
Matthews signs for almost min term for UFA status at 5 yrs, and Marner grossly overpaid on a 6 year. Both will be right in their prime when their contract expires and will demand the whole world and then some in free agency (it's pretty obvious what one of them plans to do).
This is a prime example of how Karma works
I think Leaf Hater is a misnomer. I believe the more correct and accurate term is Leaf Fan Hater. I suspect more people hate the fans of the team than they do the team. The team really hasn't done anything in the past 50 years to inspire hate... Whereas the fans... That's a completely different story. JMO.
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I agree, the bolded is all that really matters. Other GM's are not following Dubas' blueprint of overpaying RFA's. This will give their teams a competitive advantage, and this is what good GM's do. Get better valued contracts so they can spend it on other areas of the team. Like Boston has consistently. Getting players to buy into the team first approach. More money you leave on the table, the better your teammates are.
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The "Leaf fan haters" are far more obnoxious and insufferable than the supposed flood of horrible Leaf posters they say they hate. It a visious cycle, people act like jerks to Leaf fans so they act like jerks back but its all their fault so people hate them more and then are bigger jerks back etc.
If he regresses sure I guess it's true he'd have a hard time living up to it. But even if he has no improvement in his game whatsoever and just plays at the level he played at last year throughout this contract, the majority of Leaf fans will be more than happy with that production for 10.9M. But, the kid is 22 years old so the odds are he's still got another level in him. Couple that with the likely rising cap and there's a very good chance this contract looks like a value deal in the last couple years.
Fans drastically underestimate how much contracts go up on a year to year basis. We have the same conversation every year it seems about how bad the new contract signings are. Fast forward 3 years and we usually view them differently because of how much the landscape has changed.
He’s viewed as the 7th best C around here, so you think there’s not even 3 wingers better than him?
But you’re right, there’s definitely no argument for a guy with a career high 73pts and 21st in PPG isn’t a top 10 forward
Value comes from players getting better and the cap going up. If they could of got both AM & MM at max term that would of been great but from the position of negotiation it seems like Dubas did well enough with MM(does not seem like any of the young guns wanted to do the team a favour).
With AM however I'd be worried he will bolt out of town as soon as the contract expires.
With AM however I'd be worried he will bolt out of town as soon as the contract expires.
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It actually has nothing to do with being a fan, it's just logic and reasoning that is applied to everyday life. For example, if I was jumped by a white guy I'm not about to condemn all white guys. If a girlfriend cheats on me I'm not going to assume all females are cheaters. And if a Habs fan annoys me I'm not about to blame all Habs fans.
And no i'm not a better fan than you, I just conduct myself the same way on the interwebz as I do off if it, so I'm cognizant to not let a few bad apples spoil my opinion of the bunch. I'm sure you're that same way much of the time.
You get what I mean, apologies for hijacking the thread.
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