Confirmed Signing with Link: [TOR] Marner re-signs (6 years, $10.893M AAV) Part III

[Ace Card Bedard]

Meanwhile, in Colorado and Tampa:

 

[Zerotonine]

And based on those 2 teams as being the 2 to offersheet there is no way either came near 10 mill per season. Marner new his biggest pay day was with the leafs. But like a few have mentioned said player and agent need to spin it in there favor to get some fan support back

 

[Legion34]

Ferris said bluntly, that team comparables factored into Marner
s asking price. Dubas overpaid on contracts. Your constant denial of this is puzzling?

Yes they factored in when they were high. Then he back tracked about the hypothetical of it being. Lower and Said that they were based on stats and multiple comparables.

 

[JT Kreider]

They said it couldn't be done. Dubas signed them all and then improved the teams depth. Toronto drafts and develops very well so filling out the rest of the roster is very realistic. They'll have no problem attracting veterans on the cheap as well.

Excellent job by Shanahan too, in 3 years he's built a monster of a team.

For sure, and the scariest thing is we havent even seen Matthews come close to reaching his scoring ceiling. With better health and better usage he might easily break 50 goals/100 points

 

[nturn06]

They said it couldn't be done. Dubas signed them all and then improved the teams depth. Toronto drafts and develops very well so filling out the rest of the roster is very realistic. They'll have no problem attracting veterans on the cheap as well.

Excellent job by Shanahan too, in 3 years he's built a monster of a team.

I agree that Shanahan did a good job in more than 5 years, but step by step Dubas is throwing that to garbage.... When Dubas took over I think that the TML had really good potential, and a large window, every year after he took over the window closed.... Now, I think that many TML fans say that this is the year you have the best chance, and that's problematic as in a single year anything can happen (just look at Tampa last season).

Also, I think that the biggest issue the TML faced during the RFA negociations was the famous "We can and we will".... Dubas seems to have an ego, and instead of trying to do the best for the team he had to prove to everyone that he can, no matter how much it costs the team. The fact that he promised Nylander he will not trade him will be another issue in the near future.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Yes they factored in when they were high. Then he back tracked about the hypothetical of it being. Lower and Said that they were based on stats and multiple comparables.

Ferris did not backtrack. I have to question your hearing. Ferris clearly said Leafs cap structure of Matthews and Tavares having a bearing on Marner's asking price. It doesn't take a genius to surmise had Matthews been paid less, Marner would have asked for less does it? As I said weeks, months ago. Dubas set the market for players to negotiate for. This played out exactly the way I expected for Marner. No team discounts were given.

 

[JT Kreider]

I'm drafting 11th of 12 in my fantasy hockey draft. I'm thinking Marner is my guy on the way back in the 2nd round

 

[57special]

Can't speak to CBJ, but it doesn't make a lot of sense that it was MN. They could only offer a max( 4 firsts) sheet, as they didn't have the draft picks available to make lesser offers. In any event, there was zero buzz about Marner here. Who are we to believe made the offer? Fenton? Kurvers( acting GM)? Surely not Guerin...he just arrived.

If Marner was a C, then maybe, but in general, I just don't see it.

 

[Dache]

Yes they factored in when they were high. Then he back tracked about the hypothetical of it being. Lower and Said that they were based on stats and multiple comparables.

Of course he did. There’s no way he would have said “yes if Matthews contract was lower we’d have asked for less money”

 

[Zerotonine]

Ferris did not backtrack. I have to question your hearing. Ferris clearly said Leafs cap structure of Matthews and Tavares having a bearing on Marner's asking price. It doesn't take a genius to surmise had Matthews been paid less, Marner would have asked for less does it? As I said weeks, months ago. Dubas set the market for players to negotiate for. This played out exactly the way I expected for Marner. No team discount given.

Keep trying to spin it in anyway you want for marners favor. But if it wasnt Matthew's contract he was using as a comparison it would of been someone else. Leafs could use a lot more players in there favor for comparison then Marners camp can do for his. Yet funny enough it never seems to work out that way

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

So we can and we did while addressing some other weaknesses, HF shifted to "OMG no d-men next year" or "OMG Matthews UFA" or "OMG Rielly must be re-signed" or "OMG Dubas killed hockey and will cause a 3 year lockout"?

Without reading through the threads, this an accurate summary?

 

[Kamiccolo]

Kind of hilarious how we hear about fans being sick of hearing about Leaf stuff, but Marner is now signed, and we are on part 3 of his signing and only hit part 2 for any other player all summer. Before the excuse was everyone was waiting on Marner.

Hell, Laine is with a team in Sweden right now and silence.

 

[Gary Nylund]

okay so 15 months ago it was "Leafs will never get Tavares" then it became "Leafs cant afford all 3 of their young core", then "They have to trade Kapanen or Johnsson" and now what is it? Something about how the leafs are screwed if 2 defensemen get hurt at the same or how 3 years from now they are screwed? cool. carry on.

Well said!

This **** is so weak. You guys always, always move the goal posts. It really never ends. You're fox news. "The leafs wont draft well". They draft well. Then its "well, they won't produce". They produce. Then "they wont make the playoffs". They did. Then its "yeah they'll make the playoffs but it won't be near the top". They did. Then it was "yeah well the Bruins will smoke then again". They took them to 7 again. Keep shifting the goalposts. Whatever helps you sleep at night. Now its "well lets see if they're worth their contracts". You know they will be, but you'll pretend theres some question in it because you can't accept that the Leafs are talented.

Well said!

I agree that Shanahan did a good job in more than 5 years, but step by step Dubas is throwing that to garbage.... When Dubas took over I think that the TML had really good potential, and a large window, every year after he took over the window closed.... Now, I think that many TML fans say that this is the year you have the best chance, and that's problematic as in a single year anything can happen (just look at Tampa last season).

Also, I think that the biggest issue the TML faced during the RFA negociations was the famous "We can and we will".... Dubas seems to have an ego, and instead of trying to do the best for the team he had to prove to everyone that he can, no matter how much it costs the team. The fact that he promised Nylander he will not trade him will be another issue in the near future.

Yeah for sure Dubas screwed the Leafs by ditching the worst contracts handed out by his predecessor and getting our star players locked into multi year contracts.

You can't make this s..t up. Never change HOF boards.

 

[inthe6ix]

I'm drafting 11th of 12 in my fantasy hockey draft. I'm thinking Marner is my guy on the way back in the 2nd round

With a high 2nd rd pick, take an elite goalie instead lol

 

[Rubi]

LTIR allows you to exceed the cap they should get as much LTIR as possible

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

I could overpay for all my players and run around screaming we can and we will too.

Except of course you couldn't. Some GMs overpay their depth at the possible expense of talent. THAT you can't do. If you develop a system that churns out NHL caliber depth talent and appropriately pay your depth though, then you can afford to compensate your guns.

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

They said it couldn't be done. Dubas signed them all and then improved the teams depth. Toronto drafts and develops very well so filling out the rest of the roster is very realistic. They'll have no problem attracting veterans on the cheap as well.

They do? They've hit on a #1 overall, #4 overall, #8 overall and their 2nd rounder Dermott looks pretty good. Sandin is a find but even still he is a #29 overall.

 

[Menzinger]

I agree that Shanahan did a good job in more than 5 years, but step by step Dubas is throwing that to garbage.... When Dubas took over I think that the TML had really good potential, and a large window, every year after he took over the window closed.... Now, I think that many TML fans say that this is the year you have the best chance, and that's problematic as in a single year anything can happen (just look at Tampa last season).

Also, I think that the biggest issue the TML faced during the RFA negociations was the famous "We can and we will".... Dubas seems to have an ego, and instead of trying to do the best for the team he had to prove to everyone that he can, no matter how much it costs the team. The fact that he promised Nylander he will not trade him will be another issue in the near future.

Gms break their word all the time.

Lou said that Matt Martin was a vital part of the organization and he was still banished the press box after 1.5 seasons.

 

[Kamiccolo]

They do? They've hit on a #1 overall, #4 overall, #8 overall and their 2nd rounder Dermott looks pretty good. Sandin is a find but even still he is a #29 overall.

Grundstrom and Durzi are apparently pretty decent..

 

[keglu]

For sure, and the scariest thing is we havent even seen Matthews come close to reaching his scoring ceiling. With better health and better usage he might easily break 50 goals/100 points

I assume they did not pay him 11,5*5 for being sub 90pts player. So his contract already assumes 100pts prodcution. I mean we have 120 pts players in league now and actually 50/100 player last season.

 

[Strangle]

LTIR allows you to exceed the cap the same value of the contract. But the contract value also gets added to your cap hit. So if you're exactly at the cap limit and not using LTIR, and you acquire a $7m LTIR contract to your payroll, then you get granted the ability to exceed the cap by $7m (the value of the contract), but that contract getting added to your payroll also causes you to exceed the cap by $7m (the value of the contract), and therefore you don't get granted any additional space beyond the LTIR contract itself.

It kinda sounds like the Leafs are paying $20m in order to give Marner $11m

If that doesn’t make the kid feel special, I dunno what to say

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Really glad Leafs bought 2 UFA years for Marner for a large contract instead of dealing one of those “sweetheart” contracts that walk players to UFA a year early. Good sign Marner wanted to make sure he stays a Leaf

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

They do? They've hit on a #1 overall, #4 overall, #8 overall and their 2nd rounder Dermott looks pretty good. Sandin is a find but even still he is a #29 overall.

Yes they do. They've produced well above average results based on position of selection on Marner, Nylander, Kadri, Rielly, Sandin, likely Liljegren, Brown, Johnsson etc. Go through pick history by selection position and you'll find they've been doing quite well. Throw in your Dermott's, Bracco's and others....I mean as soon as they were traded everyone told us what steals Grundtrom and Durzi were.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

It kinda sounds like the Leafs are paying $20m in order to give Marner $11m

If that doesn’t make the kid feel special, I dunno what to say

It’s hard to hear you when you’re so far out to lunch.

 

[nturn06]

Gms break their word all the time.

Lou said that Matt Martin was a vital part of the organization and he was still banished the press box after 1.5 seasons.

That's true, but Dubas seems to care way to much about his image, especially about him looking smart... I could be wrong here, but that's the impression I got about him...