Confirmed with Link: [TOR/FLA] Denis Malgin for Mason Marchment

[selltrade]

if this deal means less time for the Goat,, great deal

 

[Martin Skoula]

For me the annoying thing about all this is just the zero NHL payoff to all these pet projects as well as the fact that when was the last time a depth defenseman was acquired to bolster the lineup?

They're bodies for the 4th line if we need them in a pinch, like if we trade Kerfoot and someone else gets injured. It costs us nothing to have some insurance.

Do we have a depth D problem? These are the Marincin of forwards, we have 8 or 9 Marincin level (or better) D in the system that we can use. Our Malgin level D transaction was signing Gravel in the summer or getting Harpur. We have a ton of tweeners we can throw at an injury hole, it's the top of the depth chart we're missing.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I know you are joking but as there does seem some confusion in this thread, if memory serves me correctly Matthews and Malgin did not play on the same line when they both played with ZSC Lions. Malgin was mostly a center for us here in Zürich.

Okay, then let's sign Fabrice Herzog. We still have his rights and he played on his line.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

It is funny that some of the same folks who may bemoan the use of say advaced stats become fixated on objectively terrible ones like the number of inches a player is.

There is that old saying: "What is the difference between 3 inches and 7 inches? ...one is ooh...one is Ahhhh.

 

[hotpaws]

What does that even mean? If Dubas and Yzerman both get 3 smurfs back in an AHL contract trade, it's ok for Yzerman because he's not "actively seeking it out"?

You've run out of straws to grasp and have to go for semantics. You're allowed to not like Dubas without needing to invent fake reasons for it. Go for the contracts, at least you can make some sort of real argument there.

don't you get tired for making endless excuses for Dubas ?

-Kadri trade
-f***ing up the back up goalie position then having to trade assets when he didn't address it in the summer when there were cheap options
-contracts
-trading boats loads of picks/prospects

the list is pretty long for guy who's been on the job for less than 2 seasons don't you think ?

 

[scipio]

Okay, then let's sign Fabrice Herzog. We still have his rights and he played on his line.

That is true Herzog had a good first season with the ZSC lions, however the next 3 years were tough for him. He plays for Davos now and does pretty well again. Robert Nilsson (the other winger on Matthews line) unfortunately had to retire recently after a few nasty concussions. Anyways just wanted to point out, that Matthews and Malgin played for the same team, but not on the same line.

 

[Stephen]

They're bodies for the 4th line if we need them in a pinch, like if we trade Kerfoot and someone else gets injured. It costs us nothing to have some insurance.

Do we have a depth D problem? These are the Marincin of forwards, we have 8 or 9 Marincin level (or better) D in the system that we can use. Our Malgin level D transaction was signing Gravel in the summer or getting Harpur. We have a ton of tweeners we can throw at an injury hole, it's the top of the depth chart we're missing.

For me here’s the problem. We have an entire spectrum of small guys with skill and skating and some random upside. Ranging from Johnsson, Petan, Bracco, Timashov, Brooks and now Malgin, they are all filling an extremely low impact portion of the roster. Add to the fact that we’ve also run through Ennis and Carcone last season and the fact that our two biggest OHL prospects are Robertson and SDA, why do we have a pipeline of 6-8 players who fill non impact roles that should be upgraded with bigger bodies anyway?

 

[Mugzy97]

Dubas traded a bad player for a better player. Why are fans so weirdly obsessed with size?

First time I poked my head in this thread but this was exactly what I thought. Not sure why Florida would do this but I'm ok with it.

 

[Coaches Coroner]

size queens mad

 

[Martin Skoula]

For me here’s the problem. We have an entire spectrum of small guys with skill and skating and some random upside. Ranging from Johnsson, Petan, Bracco, Timashov, Brooks and now Malgin, they are all filling an extremely low impact portion of the roster. Add to the fact that we’ve also run through Ennis and Carcone last season and the fact that our two biggest OHL prospects are Robertson and SDA, why do we have a pipeline of 6-8 players who fill non impact roles that should be upgraded with bigger bodies anyway?

They cost us nothing and most of those names are functional depth that would have cost assets if they were big and physical on top of being functional. Some of them should be upgraded when the time comes, but we can't afford to spend 2nds on bigger better 4th liners this year because of how expensive cleaning up the Marleau mess was.

If we were wasting assets on Petans and Malgins, if be right there with you. But we're not. The biggest legitimate gripe IMO is that Agostino and Korshkov aren't getting regular 4th line minutes but that's not a big enough problem to really care about much.

 

[Stephen]

They cost us nothing and most of those names are functional depth that would have cost assets if they were big and physical on top of being functional. Some of them should be upgraded when the time comes, but we can't afford to spend 2nds on bigger better 4th liners this year because of how expensive cleaning up the Marleau mess was.

If we were wasting assets on Petans and Malgins, if be right there with you. But we're not. The biggest legitimate gripe IMO is that Agostino and Korshkov aren't getting regular 4th line minutes but that's not a big enough problem to really care about much.

You ever stop to wonder why the California teams or St. Louis or Boston always have big mean 6’5” defensive defensemen coming up through their system who can grow into functional defensemen at the NHL level It’s because they go look for them and stock them up at every level year after year like we are doing with small skill little players. We seem to be trying to fill some little smurf line that doesn’t need filling.

 

[Stephen]

To put it another way. Even if Denis Malgin turns into Andreas Johnsson, so what? We don’t even want Andreas Johnsson.

 

[Rare Jewel]

To put it another way. Even if Denis Malgin turns into Andreas Johnsson, so what? We don’t even want Andreas Johnsson.

While I share some of your discontent with the team, that's pretty unfair to Johnsson. He's actually one of few that has tenacity and aggressiveness.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

You ever stop to wonder why the California teams or St. Louis or Boston always have big mean 6’5” defensive defensemen coming up through their system who can grow into functional defensemen at the NHL level It’s because they go look for them and stock them up at every level year after year like we are doing with small skill little players. We seem to be trying to fill some little smurf line that doesn’t need filling.

We were.
Rasanen
Middleton
Desrocher
Greenway
Gordeev
Nielsen

 

[Jeypic]

Carcone/Petan/Malgin our entire draft from last year .

and who's impressive from our last 2 drafts outside of Sandin and Robertson ?

drafting small productive players then acting like they're killing it because they're still productive and projecting all to be NHLers is absurd

Lol those are a bunch of Ahl guys you’re talking about. I’m talking about the nhl. Last year we didn’t have a first round pick, but our second and third rounders made the world jr’s and our fourth rounder might be ncaa’s rookie of the year.. our other 4th rounder has double the points of anybody else on his team....

 

[jwalk]

I knew we needed to get smaller. Now we have someone to sit beside Petan in the press box.

Yes but at least we got softer

 

[SeaOfBlue]

We were.
Rasanen
Middleton
Desrocher
Greenway
Gordeev
Nielsen

Rasanen - TBD
Middleton - Decent AHLer
Desrocher - Bust
Greenway - TBD
Gordeev - TBD/Bust
Nielsen - Bust

And the three TBD's are not exactly world beaters right now. It's funny but Kristians Rubins may be the best big-body defense prospect we have and he is not even a Leafs prospect. I hope the Marlies have the opportunity to push him a little bit down the stretch. See how much he can handle. He only just turned 22 in December so he still has youth behind him.​

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Carcone/Petan/Malgin our entire draft from last year .

and who's impressive from our last 2 drafts outside of Sandin and Robertson ?

drafting small productive players then acting like they're killing it because they're still productive and projecting all to be NHLers is absurd

SDA is one of the best playmakers in the CHL.

Abruzzese is consistently getting Top Freshmen awards over Cole Caufield, Trevor Zegras, etc. He's two years older, but these are guys whom I am sure their teams are counting on to be in the NHL in the next year or two. At his current pace, he could be in the NHL in 2 years.

Abramov has 35 more points than the next best person on his team. Does a little bit of everything and is well on track to get an ELC.

Kokkonen was a size pick and he's playing in the pros, although he could be a bit better I guess. Did well in the WJC at least.

There are a few others who are doing decently well (Kral, Stotts, Holmberg, Koster), but those four stand out the most.

 

[Stephen]

We were.
Rasanen
Middleton
Desrocher
Greenway
Gordeev
Nielsen

When was the last acquisition, 2017?

 

[sxvnert]

Clifford-Spezza-Malgin

Could be a decent fourth line.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

To put it another way. Even if Denis Malgin turns into Andreas Johnsson, so what? We don’t even want Andreas Johnsson.

Speak for yourself. I'd easily take a 20 goal and 40 point NHL caliber player over a non NHL player in Marchment

 

[TheProspector]

Leafs soundly outplay quality opposition. Goaltender shits the bed. Leafs fans do 16 pages on hfboards about how this team is broken in every way.... except goaltending.

 

[Al14]

Well, we now have our Malgin to counter their Malkin. Somehow, I think we lose this one hands down. Ouch!

 

[Rielly4]

Clifford-Spezza-Malgin

Could be a decent fourth line.

Im not so sure Clifford can even play our skill game.

Korshkov-Spezza-Malgin is more like it.

 

[unitedstars87]

Love this trade for us!