Confirmed Signing with Link: [TOR] F Auston Matthews signs extension with the Maple Leafs (4 years, $13.25M AAV)

[Leaf Fans]

One big difference is that MacKinnon got his raise buy winning a cup. AM got his for winning 1 series.

Mackinnon was on a team that won a Cup.

 

[DueDiligence]

Mackinnon was on a team that won a Cup.

Yeah he was just another guy on that team. Unlike AM, MacKinnon's GPG and PPG actually increase significantly in the playoffs.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Ok and they lost in the second round so how is saying they can’t go 4 rounds a lie? Lmfao

do you think defense is why they lost? That wasn't their shortcoming this spring. only scoring 2 goals a game in seven consecutive games is why they lost.

 

[Space umpire]

Yes it always makes the most sense to compare players between a single year.

Karlsson is better than Makar right now didnt you know?

Are you claiming AM is 5 mill a year better?
You remove your 2 worst players (@ 1 mill each) gives you 7 million to replace them.

It is why Dallas >> Toronto. … depth.

do you think defense is why they lost? That wasn't their shortcoming this spring. only scoring 2 goals a game in seven consecutive games is why they lost.

Because your highly paid offensive superstars disappear when the games get too physical.

Though I like (sadly) what Treliving has done. The rest of the team is better. Just need the big dogs to perform when it matters most.

 

[ClydeLee]

It's not really interesting is it though? He is now the highest paid player as we all knew he would be, he got 4 years instead of the we 5 thought he would? Dude got paid, now lets see him duplicate the 60goal season.

Why did you think people thought he would only get a 5 year deal?

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

people can blab all they want for 81 pages.

But why? Matthews got paid. I didn't want him to walk. How overpaid is he? Overpaid by like 2 4th line scrubs? I'm not sure.

Yeah, the Leafs suck, always have and always will. Matthews is worth every penny to me. He's something to watch that is really entertaining............because we're gonna f it up regardless of who is on the team.

I think there are quite a few fanbases out there who would take Matthews on this contract in a heartbeat.

Get rid of Marner though, and don't be giving Willy anything over $9m per.

There's a hot take

 

[Sasha Orlov]

do you think defense is why they lost? That wasn't their shortcoming this spring. only scoring 2 goals a game in seven consecutive games is why they lost.

You’re right actually man, they’re the best

 

[Leaf Fans]

Yeah he was just another guy on that team.

He was a big piece of that team.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

If more people understood this, we wouldn't be on page 80

Yes we would anything the Leafs do generates discussion

 

[TS Quint]

Yes, that was the most important thing. They had no choice whatever he wanted. Not so with Nylander and Marner to me anyway.


You think they are running back the same cast for 5 more shots at it?

Yep, 100%.

just keep rearranging the rest of the deck chairs. Treliving is just a continuation of Dubas.

Leafs fans will get their stars, fans will be happy because somehow the only choices are overpay or let them walk. Playoffs don’t matter to the Leafs or their fans.

 

[Legion34]

Lol funny story. Contracts aren’t based on rookie scoring fyi. Based on body of work and what you expect going forward.
I’m sure he gets one more goal for 40 on his ELC if didn’t miss 4-5 games, not that it matters.

I’d take Stutzle + one of Chychurn’s , Tarasenko or Batherson’s contract over Matthew’s any day.

That’s good. They have missed the playoffs how many years of stuzle s ELC? Working int grest so far.


Matthews was top 2 I. Goals per game. 5th or 6th in goals and top 10 in both ppg and points during his ELC compared to all ELC players for20 years.

Stuzle is no where near that.
He also signed in the middle of the pandemic.


Matthews signed like all star players before until Mcdavid Went 8 years.

A bunch then went 8 in the middle of the pandemic when seasons were stopping and starting.

 

[notbias]

One big difference is that MacKinnon got his raise buy winning a cup. AM got his for winning 1 series.

It didn't work out well for the last players who got raises based on winning a cup.

I actually think that is Mac's number regardless of playoff success, he is #2/3 in the world.

 

[Suntouchable13]

That’s good. They have missed the playoffs how many years of stuzle s ELC? Working int grest so far.


Matthews was top 2 I. Goals per game. 5th or 6th in goals and top 10 in both ppg and points during his ELC compared to all ELC players for20 years.

Stuzle is no where near that.
He also signed in the middle of the pandemic.


Matthews signed like all star players before until Mcdavid Went 8 years.

A bunch then went 8 in the middle of the pandemic when seasons were stopping and starting.

Yea, you’re justifying the contract but also you’re basically justifying why Leafs won’t win any cup any time soon with these contracts. Like even if the cap goes up to 90 mil in 2024-25, Marner and Matthews combined will be taking up 26.8% of the cap. They do not elevate their game in the playoffs. So how are the Leafs planning on winning the cup? Or you’re ok with that as long as the boys get paid? This drought is going to keep on going.

 

[Legion34]

Yea, you’re justifying the contract but also you’re basically justifying why Leafs won’t win any cup any time soon with these contracts. Like even if the cap goes up to 90 mil in 2024-25, Marner and Matthews combined will be taking up 26.8% of the cap. They do not elevate their game in the playoffs. So how are the Leafs planning on winning the cup? Or you’re ok with that as long as the boys get paid? This drought is going to keep on going.

How long is ottawas drought with ELC stuzle

 

[Voight]

How delusional can a person be? Matthews 5yrs x 11.6M vs McKinnons 7yrs x 6,3M, then Matthews blackmail Leafs for 4 x 13,5M when MacKinnon takes 8 x 12,6M . Which contract is teamfriendlier and which player contributes more in the playoffs? You guys are hilarious! It`s a fact that a lower contract for a player of the same caliber is better for the team and that a longer contract 99% of the time also is. Not in Leaf-land obviously... Hurray for your cups!

Mack signed his first post ELC Deal when he was playing like crap. Thats why he got 6.3/year - not to mention the RFA contract landscape was much different in 2015 vs 2019.

 

[Big Muddy]

It's not really interesting is it though? He is now the highest paid player as we all knew he would be, he got 4 years instead of the we 5 thought he would? Dude got paid, now lets see him duplicate the 60goal season.

The focus and spotlight will be on what Matthews does in the playoffs versus a 60 goal (regular) season. That's an appropriate expectation for the highest paid player in the league. And so far, Matthews has not been dominant when it matters the most.

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

So this def means that Marner's getting 12.5+ on a 4-5 year deal next summer.

 

[Ryder71]

Wait, I thought all American players wanted to leave Canada because of covid protols that have been over for a year

Well, those things are now by the waste side so...

 

[Strangle]

Which part in here is false exactly:

"Matthews signed for max money" Max money is 20% of thd cap (16.5 million cap hit next year. The cap is not yet set for the Matthews contract year.
"He magically got injured the day when he had the choice to take home 8 million instead of 6 because the leafs had a buy out window."
This is you making things up. The team announced the LTIR just before the buyout window. There is no information on when he got the injury. Besides, a team cannot put a non injured player on LTIR.
There is no one in their right mind who takes Matthews over Mackinnon.
That is opinion.

What I don't understand is why so many leaf fans can't come to terms with these realities.
They are not realities.

Substantial is subjective 600,000 is not a lot in the NHL.
Those are some of the things that are false.


TWS was always a fan of Barzal even as interactif.

The Leafs don’t even get the choice of ‘Matthews or Mackinnon’, so this guys point makes no sense

If the leafs were choosing, then we could talk. But they don’t have any claim to Mackinnon so they sign matthews. Like what do they expect the team to do?

 

[VivaLasVegas]

The focus and spotlight will be on what Matthews does in the playoffs versus a 60 goal (regular) season. That's an appropriate expectation for the highest paid player in the league. And so far, Matthews has not been dominant when it matters the most.

Well, that's just it: Can Matthews put the Leafs on his back and single-handedly carry them deep into the playoffs like McDavid did in the 21-22 season when Draisatl was dinged up?

So far, that answer has been in the negative. If it continues to be in the negative, folks will look back and say quite accurately that Matthews was really just another $9-ish million star-but-not-superstar who was horrifically overpaid. But if Matthews can carry the Leafs deep into the playoffs, then nobody will care much what he was paid. Wait and see.

 

[AvroArrow]

Well, that's just it: Can Matthews put the Leafs on his back and single-handedly carry them deep into the playoffs like McDavid did in the 21-22 season when Draisatl was dinged up?

So far, that answer has been in the negative. If it continues to be in the negative, folks will look back and say quite accurately that Matthews was really just another $9-ish million star-but-not-superstar who was horrifically overpaid. But if Matthews can carry the Leafs deep into the playoffs, then nobody will care much what he was paid. Wait and see.

No player in the NHL can play at McDavids level. If this is supposed to be an insult, it's not a very good one. He needs to be better, not McDavid level but just up to his own potential. McDavid is in a league of his own and no player in the league can even dream of playing at his level, just a fact. He's clearly the greatest player of this generation AINEC (one of the rare times where this actually applies)

But everybody is a playoff choker until they aren't. Look at Matthew Tkachuk, he was probably bashed harder than Marner/Matthews for being a ghost in the playoffs, now this year ? Dude played phenomenal. And maybe it's not Matthews that steps up to that level, why not a secondary guy, like what Marchessault just did ? Or how Justin Williams was for the Kings. Neither guy was the top dog on their team, but they elevated their games in the playoffs when it mattered most.

Matthews absolutely does need to be better in the playoffs though, 0 goals in 5 games the 2nd round is inexcusable.

 

[VivaLasVegas]

No player in the NHL can play at McDavids level. If this is supposed to be an insult, it's not a very good one. He needs to be better, not McDavid level but just up to his own potential. McDavid is in a league of his own and no player in the league can even dream of playing at his level, just a fact. He's clearly the greatest player of this generation AINEC (one of the rare times where this actually applies)

But everybody is a playoff choker until they aren't. Look at Matthew Tkachuk, he was probably bashed harder than Marner/Matthews for being a ghost in the playoffs, now this year ? Dude played phenomenal. And maybe it's not Matthews that steps up to that level, why not a secondary guy, like what Marchessault just did ? Or how Justin Williams was for the Kings. Neither guy was the top dog on their team, but they elevated their games in the playoffs when it mattered most.

Matthews absolutely does need to be better in the playoffs though, 0 goals in 5 games the 2nd round is inexcusable.

McDavid's performance was just one example. Ovechkin would be another, Carey Price in 20-21 another, and a long line of such examples of guys who did put the team on their back to carry them deep into the playoffs if not to hoist the Cup.

At this salary, Matthews is basically being paid to be one of those guys. Is he one of those guys? We all have to wait and see.

 

[drktmplr12]

Here's a list TOR tops that everyone can agree on for once. Pressure's on AM

 

[Voight]

Except
It’s not nearly as easy as that. It has been covered ad nauseum by NHL players agents GMs accountants and media.

You can’t just declare arizona as your primary residence. And living there (us) 183 days a year is t enough. You have to demonstrate greater financial ties to the us
Than Canada

That includes sponsorships property leasing/owning kids in school etc.

And then you are just avoiding double taxes. Have to lock your money up in an rca which just DEFERS your taxes until you take it out (still pay) and have to move to a tax friendly place and take it out in drips.

Say he has it in an rca and bieber wants him to invest in some company. He will get taxed Canadian money when he takes it out. He doesn’t just not pay taxes. He defers his taxes temporarily and has a lower standard of living in limited environments to try to save taxes at a later date

Also. They can still go aftet
You any time in the future for owed money.

Look at Bautista. He has been gone for what 8 years? The government is going after him NOW for their money. For playing for the blue jays in like 2015

Canada is a high tax country. The government is getting there money one way or another.

People can write fancy articles all they want. Just like nutritionists can claim they can have a diet that out performs steroids.

“Natural bodybuilding works with my system”.
It’s just not reality.

https://forums.hfboards.com/threads/let’s-even-the-playing-field…after-tax-payroll-cap.2888297/page-8#post-185059375

 

[TS Quint]

No player in the NHL can play at McDavids level. If this is supposed to be an insult, it's not a very good one. He needs to be better, not McDavid level but just up to his own potential. McDavid is in a league of his own and no player in the league can even dream of playing at his level, just a fact. He's clearly the greatest player of this generation AINEC (one of the rare times where this actually applies)

But everybody is a playoff choker until they aren't. Look at Matthew Tkachuk, he was probably bashed harder than Marner/Matthews for being a ghost in the playoffs, now this year ? Dude played phenomenal. And maybe it's not Matthews that steps up to that level, why not a secondary guy, like what Marchessault just did ? Or how Justin Williams was for the Kings. Neither guy was the top dog on their team, but they elevated their games in the playoffs when it mattered most.

Matthews absolutely does need to be better in the playoffs though, 0 goals in 5 games the 2nd round is inexcusable.

If Matthews shouldnt be compared to McDavid he shouldn’t be getting McDavid money.