Confirmed Signing with Link: [TOR] F Auston Matthews signs extension with the Maple Leafs (4 years, $13.25M AAV)

[Ianturnedbull]

After Matthews finishes this contract he will likely go to your favourite team.

 

[Strangle]

Yep, the old pace argument.

Balls said the queen, if I had them, I'd be the king.

How do you avoid the pace argument when Matthews scored 41 goals in a 56 game season?

And 47 goals in a 70 game season.

The NHL missed approx 38 games due to covid shortened seasons.

Seriously? How do you avoid that? The only way to make sure that accomplishment is understood in the stats is to use pace.

It makes no sense to say Matthews has averaged 43 goals ‘per season’ when everyone compares and contrasts that to an 82 game season.

Matthews has missed some games due to injury, of course. But that’s not why pace is a better metric here.

If you pro-rate the shortened seasons only, and don’t touch the other 5 years of his career, what does that do to his average?

Better yet, who has scored the most goals in the NHL since matthews came into the league? Well, that would be Matthews.

So the misleading stat here is the ‘43 goals per season’ average number. Due to covid shortened seasons.

The non-misleading way to describe Matthews is that he is the best goal scorer in the NHL.

Better than McDavid
Better than Draisaitl
Better than Ovechkin
Better than Mackinnon
Better than Pasternak
Better than Crosby
Better than anyone



(Pssst …. He also crushes the entire league in 5v5 goals over the past few seasons too. By like 20%)

 

[Leaf Fans]

I bet Matthews will not win the rocket next year for anything you are willing to wager.

I am betting that he will be in competition for the Rocket. Which player did you have in mind to win? Or are you hedging by choosing every other NHL player?

Yep, the old pace argument.

Balls said the queen, if I had them, I'd be the king.

Huh, balls don't make someone male.

 

[Strangle]

Every time Matthews has a down period, it’s usually blamed to injuries.

So either he’s not as consistent as you’d like, or he’s injury prone.

You don’t know what you’re talking about.

Matthews g/60 have been consistently on the rise, save last year (the worst year of his career - which was still a super star level year)

G/60
2016 - 1.7
2017 - 1.8
2018 - 1.8
2019 - 1.9
2020 - 2.2
2021 - 2.4
2022 - 1.6

These are much better than mcdavids numbers. (Even the low point of 1.6, which Mcdavid has only beaten once)

How can anyone say he’s ‘not consistent’? Unless you mean consistently getting better? And how can you call the league leader in goals over his career ‘injury prone’?

If he was either of those things, he wouldn’t be the guy who scored the most goals in the league since 2016

 

[myleafs]

More like the other way around. McDavid won’t win another rocket.

ill take that bet all day every day

 

[Akrapovince]

I really thought he was leaving.

But I guess my presumption that his priories were:

1. Getting paid (like all players should)
2. Leaving Toronto

Seems like he wants to be a lifelong Leaf as long as they are competitive and be paid market value for it.

I was wrong, and this signing makes me believes he will only leave the Leafs if he is 35+ without a cup.

 

[sxvnert]

Since Matthews rookie season:

 

[Ciao]

I guess the dopes who thought he was leaving will have to wait a while longer.

 

[EverTheCynic]

Since Matthews rookie season:

Regular season is irrelevant. It's too long and necessitates the game devolving into glorified pond hockey to maintain health and endurance for the playoff grind. Where teams begin to tighten up and play the game properly.

How is Auston in the playoffs? Because that is what matters for a team that is as good as Toronto. They're getting in. So the regular season accolades are meaningless. It's not like Auston scoring 60 is the difference between making it and not. He could score 30 and they're making it.

So how does Auston perform when the intensity goes up, everyone tightens up, and hockey is played properly in the postseason?

I'm not answering I'm just asking a question. Because all this talk about regular season performance is literally the least relevant thing to discuss regarding his extension.

If it was a bubble team trying to fight for a spot, sure. It would matter. But It's not. So it's totally meaningless.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Regular season is irrelevant. It's too long and necessitates the game devolving into glorified pond hockey to maintain health and endurance for the playoff grind. Where teams begin to tighten up and play the game properly.

How is Auston in the playoffs? Because that is what matters for a team that is as good as Toronto. They're getting in. So the regular season accolades are meaningless. It's not like Auston scoring 60 is the difference between making it and not. He could score 30 and they're making it.

So how does Auston perform when the intensity goes up, everyone tightens up, and hockey is played properly in the postseason?

I'm not answering I'm just asking a question. Because all this talk about regular season performance is literally the least relevant thing to discuss regarding his extension.

If it was a bubble team trying to fight for a spot, sure. It would matter. But It's not. So it's totally meaningless.

Lol. Nonsense. How do you think teams get to the Stanley Cup tourney?

 

[JAS 39 Gripen]

I guess the dopes who thought he was leaving will have to wait a while longer.

Bet they are, but I love the fact he stayed put! That he also made the Leafs pay him that much most likely means they won’t be able to build a deep roster + goalie either. Couple that together with that little brat on his wing, the Leafs just set themselves up for more heartaches - lovin it

 

[Leaf Fans]

Bet they are, but I love the fact he stayed put! That he also made the Leafs pay him that much most likely means they won’t be able to build a deep roster + goalie either. Couple that together with that little brat on his wing, the Leafs just set themselves up for more heartaches - lovin it

The people who negotiated the deal disagree with you.

 

[jonlin]

Reading this thread make me laugh. Leaf fans would probably be happy with Matthews at 15M/8yrs, Marner at 14M/8yrs and Nylander at 11M/8yrs? You have generational talent and multiple cupsto come. Be happy about overpaying them and gutting your team.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Reading this thread make me laugh. Leaf fans would probably be happy with Matthews at 15M/8yrs, Marner at 14M/8yrs and Nylander at 11M/8yrs? You have generational talent and multiple cupsto come. Be happy about overpaying them and gutting your team.

No, I wanted the term to be 2 years.

 

[BallardEra]

Reading this thread make me laugh. Leaf fans would probably be happy with Matthews at 15M/8yrs, Marner at 14M/8yrs and Nylander at 11M/8yrs? You have generational talent and multiple cupsto come. Be happy about overpaying them and gutting your team.

Cups are never a guarantee but the Leafs have increased their odds in getting one over the next 5 years.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Regular season is irrelevant. It's too long and necessitates the game devolving into glorified pond hockey to maintain health and endurance for the playoff grind. Where teams begin to tighten up and play the game properly.

How is Auston in the playoffs? Because that is what matters for a team that is as good as Toronto. They're getting in. So the regular season accolades are meaningless. It's not like Auston scoring 60 is the difference between making it and not. He could score 30 and they're making it.

So how does Auston perform when the intensity goes up, everyone tightens up, and hockey is played properly in the postseason?

I'm not answering I'm just asking a question. Because all this talk about regular season performance is literally the least relevant thing to discuss regarding his extension.

If it was a bubble team trying to fight for a spot, sure. It would matter. But It's not. So it's totally meaningless.

He's getting paid for regular season success , him going ghost in the playoffs every year has nothing to do with his contract,its just the reality of most major sports contracts.

Am did great here , made out like a bandit good for him

 

[Boud]

If he can control his destiny why does he choose to always lose in the 1st round and only allow himself one recent 2nd round exit.
He must be about golfing.

Lol yea he CHOOSES to do that.

 

[StuckOutHere]

So, controversial stance, but keep good players as long as you can/they will let you?

 

[keglu]

Fair enough by averages.
However there are 69, 64, 56 etc goal scorers on that list from 2004-2005.

It could be that the lower tier players are scoring more than the top tier platerd. More even distribution rather than top.

Matthews was 3rd in the league in 2017 with 40
Goals.

The league leader in 202 wins 48 goals (70 games)

It’s not as simple to say goals per game makes it harder to score for too players

Power plays. Time on ice etc all impact.

Regardless. Matthews and ovy both lead the league in scoring twice. Are 2 goal apart by age 25 with similar games.

That is incredibly impressive. He easily had earned 15% of the cap.

How many players have lead the league in goals their first 7 years?

Matthews, Gretzky. Ovy maybe?

Sorry but what are you even talking about?
There was no 04/05 season due lockout, last 69 scorer in NHL was Mario Lemieux and it was certainly not during Ovi career. Ovi played in only one 3+goals per games season in 05/06 and Rocket winner had 56 goals that season and there was 11 40+ goal scorers vs 19 last year. During Matthews whole carrer league average is above 3goals per game.

 

[ACC1224]

Reading this thread make me laugh. Leaf fans would probably be happy with Matthews at 15M/8yrs, Marner at 14M/8yrs and Nylander at 11M/8yrs? You have generational talent and multiple cupsto come. Be happy about overpaying them and gutting your team.

Making something up, assigning it to some fictional people and then laughing at it is a pretty good sign you need help.

 

[Legion34]

Sorry but what are you even talking about?
There was no 04/05 season due lockout, last 69 scorer in NHL was Mario Lemieux and it was certainly not during Ovi career. Ovi played in only one 3+goals per games season in 05/06 and Rocket winner had 56 goals that season and there was 11 40+ goal scorers vs 19 last year. During Matthews whole carrer league average is above 3goals per game.

I literally have a crack on the top of my phone screen. I was typing quick and didn’t see how bad I butchered that.

The numbers are clearly wrong. My mistake. You can look at the top goal scorers by year.

The point (despite that) was that it’s a way too simplistic argument to say “scoring is up” and assume it was way easier to get to 300 goals from 2016- now as compared to the lockout until 25.

More bottom tier players scoring goals does not mean Matthews 299 goals in 482 games is not comparable to 0VY scoring 301 in 475.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I really thought he was leaving.

But I guess my presumption that his priories were:

1. Getting paid (like all players should)
2. Leaving Toronto

Seems like he wants to be a lifelong Leaf as long as they are competitive and be paid market value for it.

I was wrong, and this signing makes me believes he will only leave the Leafs if he is 35+ without a cup.

You were hoping, But even if you actually thought he was leaving I don't know why.

Every single credible report that we got said he was staying, literally ALL of them, not only that but they ALL said 3-5 years.

Low and behold exactly what literally ALL credible reports said would happen, happened and yet somehow this came as a shock to you.

 

[ACC1224]

Pretty funny how the narrative has quickly changed from “he’s leaving first chance he gets, Leafs are #%*%%” to “ he’s overpaid and overrated, Leafs are #%*%%”.

So transparent.

 

[bert]

Matthews lost parts of 2 seasons to Covid.

At 25 years old matthess had 299 goals. Ovy had 301.
I think Matthews had played about 7 more games? They have very comparable raw numbers.

Also. Until 25 this is untrue.

Ovy played in the highest scoring seasons post lockout. He also started at 20
Both lead the league in goals twice.
Of course I personally don’t believe that Matthews will age like ovy at all. I am not predicting 800 goals. Heck 600 would be crazy. But Matthews is the best goal scorer in the game for his first 7 years in the NHL. That is an incredibly rare thing.

Plus he is a dominant defensively responsible 2 way c.

Ovy is generational. Matthewss may not be that. But he is keeping up with the best goal scorer who ever lived.

It's a much higher scoring era right now. There's no debate the sheer numbers aren't lying. Matthews isn't a generational player. Hell he is debatably not even a top 5 forward right now. Playoff performance matters.

 

[bert]

I literally have a crack on the top of my phone screen. I was typing quick and didn’t see how bad I butchered that.

The numbers are clearly wrong. My mistake. You can look at the top goal scorers by year.

The point (despite that) was that it’s a way too simplistic argument to say “scoring is up” and assume it was way easier to get to 300 goals from 2016- now as compared to the lockout until 25.

More bottom tier players scoring goals does not mean Matthews 299 goals in 482 games is not comparable to 0VY scoring 301 in 475.

Oh is this where you've spun it now. Hahaha ok. This conversation is now useless.

Pretty funny how the narrative has quickly changed from “he’s leaving first chance he gets, Leafs are #%*%%” to “ he’s overpaid and overrated, Leafs are #%*%%”.

So transparent.

Outside of the victim complex and narrative you're trying to spin. What people are discussing is the contract. That he is quite clearly overpaid to all comparable deals.