Confirmed Signing with Link: [TOR] F Auston Matthews signs extension with the Maple Leafs (4 years, $13.25M AAV)

[Nothingbutglass]

100+ total pages dedicated to the Leafs LTIRing at mediocre goalie with injury problems (Murray), and re-signing their franchise center (Matthews). Any other team makes these types of moves and they don't get more than 20 cumulative pages of discussion.

We are absolutely massive. Why are there so many Leaf threads on the main boards? Because the rest of the league can't stop talking about.

Like God-hero creatures.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Huh?
1.)They didn’t give muzzin 6 years
2.) dubas signed all those contracts save matthews
3.) no one wants to lose a franchise player at 29, 30, 34
4.) that doesn’t change that many top franchise players do not live up to their their contracts… outside of state tax underpays

Matthews absolutely wants to max his earnings.
He absolutely took fair deals at shorter terms to get more.
It didn’t really work out for him last time
It might not work out for hi. This time.

He may want to resign for 14% in 4 years. That would be like 1 million more. Not brutal. He may want to be traded. Much easier at 29 than 33.

Who knows. Bottom line is the leafs have him for his prime at 14-15% kf the cap. Which is fair.

How did his last deal not work out for him. Out of his 5 years, he was overpaid in 3 of them.

 

[Legion34]

How did his last deal not work out for him. Out of his 5 years, he was overpaid in 3 of them.

????? Ummmmm that’s just silly.

He got 14% of the cap and was a multiple time all star 2 time rocket hart finalist/winner.

He easily was worth 14% of the cap. That’s just foolish. If you actually think he didn’t play up to his contract (comparing to pre pandemic conditions), I don’t think you have any understanding of the comparables.

 

[Strangle]

You're literally saying that in 4 years, as a 30 year old, Matthews' will only be worth $11M - $12M, under a much higher cap, while currently being paid $13.25M.

Which means his play will have significantly declined below the value of $13.25M before that contract is over.

What the hell isn't clicking, here?

You’re wildly misunderstanding this.

If Matthews signs a 1 year deal after this one, maybe he gets a raise. If he signs an 8 year deal, he’s going to get a much less AAV.

Not because ‘he’s declined significantly’, but because a 38yo Matthews (near the end of the hypothetical contract) will have understandably declined.

It’s not the 31 year that he’s expected to decline, it’s 34-40 years. If he wants a long term contract after this one, it’ll be less AAV.

If he wants a super short one, it might even be more.

 

[HespelerGreenFlash]

100+ total pages dedicated to the Leafs LTIRing at mediocre goalie with injury problems (Murray), and re-signing their franchise center (Matthews). Any other team makes these types of moves and they don't get more than 20 cumulative pages of discussion.

We are absolutely massive. Why are there so many Leaf threads on the main boards? Because the rest of the league can't stop talking about.

Dont flatter yourself Corky. You havent won a dang thing in a millenium

Oh, I see the problem - you don't actually understand the salary cap. The maximum the salary cap can go up is 5% a year, so 25% in 5 years. I don't see how the maximum is 'a low estimation' but here we are - HfBoards in a nutshell.

So you're arguing Matthews is going to get the same cap percentage despite being older but for some reason this is a bad deal today? How? The entire argument makes no sense.

You could argue the Leafs will regret it in 5 years, and maybe they will. How does that make it a bad deal today?



If the cap raises the maximum every year - it's possible. It's also possible he doesn't. I am betting he doesn't, because it's unheard of - you are betting he does because you think he will.

Also - yes, MacKinnon signed a more team friendly deal - that doesn't make Matthews contract bad.

MacKinnon signed 15.27 X 8
Matthews signed 15.87 X 4

More than 25% dont forget its compounded

 

[Gillings]

100+ total pages dedicated to the Leafs LTIRing at mediocre goalie with injury problems (Murray), and re-signing their franchise center (Matthews). Any other team makes these types of moves and they don't get more than 20 cumulative pages of discussion.

We are absolutely massive. Why are there so many Leaf threads on the main boards? Because the rest of the league can't stop talking about.

Thanks for taking my post and convoluting it into a mess most people have to much time to read.

 

[Strangle]

Of course its relevant. The leafs would love to have all of their core players signed for 8 years. They've given 7 to Tavares, 8 to Reilly. Hell, they gave 6 years! to jake MUZZIN LOL. Matthews is playing the leafs to maximize his career earnings. Nothing more, nothing less. If Matthews declines significantly in 5 years, it would only be because the leafs were "lucky" to not have made that mistake. But then again, losing your franchise player at such a young age is bad anyways. Its LOSE-LOSE. There is ZERO bright side here.

The bright side is that you hopefully don’t end up retaining and losing a 1st on a 37-38yo Matthews with a $13+m cap hit at the end of his career

 

[Squiffy]

Oh, I see the problem - you don't actually understand how math works. The maximum the salary cap can go up is 5% a year. 5% of the cap... THAT YEAR.

A 25% increase of the cap from $83.5M is $104.375M. A 5% increase of the cap annually from $83.5M is $106.5M. So yes. It would be higher than 25% with max increases.

Keep. Embarrassing. Yourself.

Not to get in to this dogs breakfast, but the cap can raise more then 5% year over given specific conditions existing, which probably do for next year, maybe the year after too. NHL & PA would have to mutually agree to go beyond 5%, if they do it can go up a max of 10%.

For whatever it is worth I think predicting 5 straight years of 5% raises seems unlikely, they need to catch up the cap to the HRR but once they do in a couple years I doubt it goes 5% year over year. Good for them if it does.

Anyways. I'll show myself out, as you were everyone.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Not to get in to this dogs breakfast, but the cap can raise more then 5% year over given specific conditions existing, which probably do for next year, maybe the year after too. NHL & PA would have to mutually agree to go beyond 5%, if they do it can go up a max of 10%.

For whatever it is worth I think predicting 5 straight years of 5% raises seems unlikely, they need to catch up the cap to the HRR but once they do in a couple years I doubt it goes 5% year over year. Good for them if it does.

Anyways. I'll show myself out, as you were everyone.

There’s only 3 years remaining on the MOU/CBA. The 5% rule will expire then.

 

[Sorry]

He has let it be known that he is a money player. Hopefully for Leafs fans he is a money player over the next five years.

 

[BLONG7]

100+ total pages dedicated to the Leafs LTIRing at mediocre goalie with injury problems (Murray), and re-signing their franchise center (Matthews). Any other team makes these types of moves and they don't get more than 20 cumulative pages of discussion.

We are absolutely massive. Why are there so many Leaf threads on the main boards? Because the rest of the league can't stop talking about.

Truly amazing eh............especially for a franchise that can't get to the 2nd round!!
Keep up the good work leaf nation!! Yes, you are amazing.

 

[Squiffy]

There’s only 3 years remaining on the MOU/CBA. The 5% rule will expire then.

Right, the stuff I was looking at was something about 5x5%, just slapped in 5 years from that. You’re right of course. Although it seems well thought out, see if it survives.

 

[VivaLasVegas]

Truly amazing eh............especially for a franchise that can't get to the 2nd round!!
Keep up the good work leaf nation!! Yes, you are amazing.

Mmmm, didn't the Leafs just get to the second round, like less than 90 days ago or so?

 

[Surf Nutz]

Which $10M player are you adding?

The Leafs are already doing the exact same thing that the Lightning and Vegas did.

The Golden Knights total cap hit last year, including LTIR, was $96.5M.
Three years ago, the Lightning had a total cap hit, including LTIR, of $98M.

Currently, the Leafs have a total cap hit, including LTIR, of $97M.

They are doing it before the season with a useless large salaried goaltender that was cleared to play and then mysteriouusly made his way back on to the LTIR. Bettman needs to clean this up
Its the Cup not the LTIR derby...
It is ruining the Legacy.

 

[drktmplr12]

Patrick Kane and Jonathan Toews are 34.

Are they playing next year? Why or why not?

Is AM more like them, or more like Crosby/Bergeron?

I understand it's not a today problem. But signing a 30 year old for 8 years doesn't sound like good good cap management

 

[leafsfan2point0]

Auston Matthews (age 25 in his prime) <<< Auston Matthews (age 30)

Only on HFBoards

One thing is for sure though, when the usual suspects are losing their minds over this deal, it's definitely a great deal for Toronto.

Reading this deal on any social media platform - everyone is pumped he’s back. It seems only the cockroaches on here who have nothing better to do are super hurt he didn’t leave the leafs.

 

[sd1976]

Why do people keep mentioning McDavid when talking about Matthews' value?

The two players aren't in the same stratosphere.

Matthews is comparable to Pastrnak. Why did he so easily get $2M more?

 

[sd1976]

Right, so why was the narrative "Matthews should set the new bar for AAV"?

Pastrnak was a much better comparable, and he just signed for $11.25M. $11.5M would have been fair for Matthews on a 4-year deal, considering the much shorter term (but factoring in him playing the premium position).

$13.25M is bad.

 

[Rob Brown]

Dont flatter yourself Corky. You havent won a dang thing in a millenium


More than 25% dont forget its compounded

Truly amazing eh............especially for a franchise that can't get to the 2nd round!!
Keep up the good work leaf nation!! Yes, you are amazing.

Neither of you addressed his post at all but did prove his point. Everyone here talks about how bad the Leafs are and how it's annoying how much attention the Leafs get yet the same people can't stop themselves. Bizarre stuff.

 

[Surf Nutz]

Reading this deal on any social media platform - everyone is pumped he’s back. It seems only the cockroaches on here who have nothing better to do are super hurt he didn’t leave the leafs.

No but he leafed the Leaves

 

[sd1976]

No order necessary but quite easily McDavid, MacKinnon, Makar, Draisaitl, etc.

Matthews has a down season that is still stellar and top 10 in ppg, and he’s a leper. Mackinnon misses half the season and no one says anything. Makar down season and somehow still a top 3 player.

The logic on these boards with the Leaf hate is bordering on the insane.

 

[leafsfan2point0]

No but he leafed the Leaves

Stud #1C, first overall, 50+ goal scorer, two-way player, etc. has committed the first 12 years of his career to the team that drafted him after us fans were told a million times he was out the first chance he got. The haters can try and spin the narrative that he’s a money player but he’s committed 5 UFA years to the leafs when he could’ve bolted. 31 other teams would’ve taken him at this contract and made it work. It’s a win for the leafs and as long as we have him we’re going for it.

 

[sd1976]

Plenty of desperate validation of Matthews in this section.

Seems the desperation is coming from your end. There is t a GM in the League who would choose Pasta over Matthews . Not a single one. Contracts included

 

[sd1976]

A 4-year ufa deal isn't a problem. It's not unreasonable to think his 60g/Hart season was his peak. Might not even earn a raise on his next contract. He'll be payed what he's actually worth. OK deal for both parties.

Most players don’t peak at 23 or 24 years old

 

[sd1976]

Top 6-7 is arguable, heading into next year. Top 3 is a very tough case to make. Impossible, really, after last season. He was 22nd in league scoring and flamed out in the playoffs.

He could vault himself into that discussion again if he scores 50+ and gets to the ECF. We'll see if he does it.

He literally played injured the entire year and still scored at a top rate. Give your head a shake. It is not arguable, it is a fact.